Should Kalish make the team next year?

[mvp 78]

Fred, what the hell are you talking about? Have you seen the bloated Mets, Angels and Dodgers payrolls only to produce teams that didn't make the playoffs?

 

The question hadn't been answered because it's asinine, just like the post you just made. Stop blabbing nonsense.

 

And Fred's whole posts was " what ifs." Maybe he needs to worry less about clothing and more on if he needs new glasses.

[seabeachfred]

Fred, what the hell are you talking about? Have you seen the bloated Mets, Angels and Dodgers payrolls only to produce teams that didn't make the playoffs?

 

The question hadn't been answered because it's asinine, just like the post you just made. Stop blabbing nonsense.

 

The queston hasn't been answered because lame attempt to defend the front office (again) would be totally assinine. You don't go from WS Champions to cellear dwellers and become one of the three or four worst teams in baseball because your front office is doing all the right things. You go there because the front office has made a ton of mistakes over those five years. I also know that your idea of blabbing nonsense is when anyone attacks your beloved heroes in the front office. You just can't help yourself; even when your give one of your yearly criticisms of something they do, you throw them a parachute.

 

Why not just come out and admit you're a ball washer and automaton for the front office. I haven't heard you once give them a going over for one thing they've done wrong without qualifying it with nonsense of a defense of them.

[seabeachfred]

And Fred's whole posts was " what ifs." Maybe he needs to worry less about clothing and more on if he needs new glasses.

 

Well here's one that is not a "what if". In 2007 we won the WS; in 2012 we were dead last in the division with a miserable 69-93 record. How did we get there, by sound moves, good trades, and and effective front office? Maybe if some of those "what ifs" you keep harping on had come to fruition we wouldn't be in the toilet right now.

 

The only thing that I wonder about between you and your compadre UN is which one of you takes on the role of Don Quixote and who is Sergo Panza. So tell me, how the hell did we go from first to dead last in five seasons? Maybe by osmosis???

[mvp 78]

How did we get there? Do you need a spin free history lesson?

 

2008 - came just shy of going to WS

 

2009 - get rocked by the Angels in postseason

 

2010 - sign Lackey, numerous injuries destroy the season

 

2011 - sign CC, trade for AGon, on pace to have great season, epic swoon in September, miss playoffs by 1 game

 

2012 - hire BV a move you liked (ensuring the team would blow up), team dislikes manager who is more concerned with the media than winning games, team in turmoil and playing .500 baseball, team is gutted by trade with LA, Sox have AAAA roster to end the season

 

Are they one of the 4 worst teams in MLB? No f'n way. At this moment, they're rebuilding and still are a 85ish win team.

 

If you enjoy being miserable with your fandom, you should have become a Pirates fan. Those Bucs have a nice little stadium too, you know...

[User Name]

I'm sure the bucs have enough ballwashers but not enough whiny little bitches, so Fred should cover that area all by himself.

[a700hitter]

Name one ownership that spent as much money as the Red Sox over the last 3 years with a result of driving the team into last place.

Crickets chirping.

[seabeachfred]

I'm sure the bucs have enough ballwashers but not enough whiny little bitches, so Fred should cover that area all by himself.

 

"whiny little bitches"??????? A little personal don't you think? First of all numbnuts a bitch is a female dog and I know my Brittany, Lucy, Penny and Brianna wouldn't like hearing that kind of s*** coming from you any more than I do. You crossed the line with that remark User and from here on in it will be tit for tat. I also don't give a damn what the Pirates or any other team is doing or how bad they are. I only care about the Red Sox and I was totally embarassed at how crappy they were last season. There was no excuse for the team finishing as poorly as it did.

 

And the buck stops with the front office; they built the team and they did a s***** job of it. The 69-93 record speaks volumes more than any lame excuse you can lay their way.

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[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Name one ownership that spent as much money as the Red Sox over the last 3 years with a result of driving the team into last place.

 

Notice Ted that suddenly our two friends have no answer to your retort. Pretty much what have to expect when they take the usual party line and becomes emperors with no clothes.

 

Los Angeles Angels

[mvp 78]

"whiny little bitches"??????? A little personal don't you think? :

So "ballwashers" from your previous post wasn't personal? Don't call people names and people probably won't call you one back. With you it's always "pollyannas, ballwashers, etc." but the second someone uses a term you don't like, it all of a sudden is a personal attack... If you don't see the hypocrisy in that, then I really don't know what to say. If you toned down your rhetoric, people might actually try to understand your point of view. However, with the way you act now, why would anyone ever take you seriously?

[a700hitter]

So "ballwashers" from your previous post wasn't personal? Don't call people names and people probably won't call you one back. With you it's always "pollyannas, ballwashers, etc." but the second someone uses a term you don't like, it all of a sudden is a personal attack... If you don't see the hypocrisy in that, then I really don't know what to say. If you toned down your rhetoric, people might actually try to understand your point of view. However, with the way you act now, why would anyone ever take you seriously?

In this recent exchange between SBF and UN, UN lobbed the first personal attack telling Fred that he was blabbering. I am sorry but UN doesn't get to operate with impunity. If he makes it personal, he should expect return fire. Why don't you ever call out UN? Be fair about it if you are going to call out people. UN is constantly offending people without provocation, but you let him off the hook because you like his targets. Lay off Fred unless you are willing to go after UN too.

[a700hitter]

Los Angeles Angels

What year did they finish last with a $170 million payroll? When is the last time that they finished last?

[User Name]

Watch out, we got a lawyer over here.

[Dojji]

When was the last time an overly specific analogy led to a cogent point?

[a700hitter]

When was the last time an overly specific analogy led to a cogent point?

When did results stop mattering?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

What year did they finish last with a $170 million payroll? When is the last time that they finished last?

 

They never finished last with a 170 million dollar payroll, but they haven't done anything in the past 3 years so it doesn't matter. Last time they were in last place was 1999 and had the Mariners not have been in that division, it would have been a lot earlier. They spent a lot of money and haven't gone anywhere. The Sox gave up on the season and finished only like 4 games behind the Jays, I really don't care.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Name one ownership that, regardless of the risk, has not made "a lot of mistakes" the past few seasons.

 

*Crickets chirping louder*

[a700hitter]

They never finished last with a 170 million dollar payroll, but they haven't done anything in the past 3 years so it doesn't matter. Last time they were in last place was 1999 and had the Mariners not have been in that division, it would have been a lot earlier. They spent a lot of money and haven't gone anywhere. The Sox gave up on the season and finished only like 4 games behind the Jays, I really don't care.

So, no ownership group has accomplished what the Red Sox have done-- spent $170+ million and finish last. That is just a fact.

[Dojji]

It's a fact, yes. Many things are facts. The relevance of this particular fact escapes me.

[a700hitter]

*Crickets chirping louder*

I have UN on ignore, so I don't see his posts, but now that you have quoted it, I'll answer. First of all, every one and every organization makes mistakes. His question is moronic because he does not even define the terms of his own question. What constitutes "a lot of mistakes"? Two, three, more? So, how does one answer that? I will venture to say that examples of teams that have done a good job are the Giants and Cardinals. It would be hard to criticize them. There, I just squashed the crickets.

[a700hitter]

It's a fact, yes. Many things are facts. The relevance of this particular fact escapes me.

It's a record of negative accomplishment. That escaped you? Really?

[Lucienbel]

I have UN on ignore, so I don't see his posts, but now that you have quoted it, I'll answer. First of all, every one and every organization makes mistakes. His question is moronic because he does not even define the terms of his own question. What constitutes "a lot of mistakes"? Two, three, more? So, how does one answer that? I will venture to say that examples of teams that have done a good job are the Giants and Cardinals. It would be hard to criticize them. There, I just squashed the crickets.

 

I'd like to toss Oakland on that list as well. They don't really make mistakes because they don't even have the money to take the risk in the first place. The only risks they did take (in trades) paid off for them and they ended up winning the AL West.

[Dojji]

I'd like to toss Oakland on that list as well. They don't really make mistakes because they don't even have the money to take the risk in the first place. The only risks they did take (in trades) paid off for them and they ended up winning the AL West.

 

Oakland gets burnt on the trade market as often as not, but they make so many trades and are constantly restocking their farm, so they spring up like a bad weed pretty frequently on the basis of this or that move. It's not going to get them to the World Series but hey, it serves to make Billy Beane look good, so the entire point of the strategy of the Oakland Athletics is fulfilled.

 

The A's are good at finding guys that work but can't keep them when they do. Sort of the opposite of our problem at the moment. What they need to do is figure out that in order to build up a critical mass of talent and win anything, they need to keep those guys and move guys along that don't work out, rather than constantly trading for underrated players to inflate the ego of their GM.

[User Name]

I have UN on ignore, so I don't see his posts, but now that you have quoted it, I'll answer. First of all, every one and every organization makes mistakes. His question is moronic because he does not even define the terms of his own question. What constitutes "a lot of mistakes"? Two, three, more? So, how does one answer that? I will venture to say that examples of teams that have done a good job are the Giants and Cardinals. It would be hard to criticize them. There, I just squashed the crickets.

 

It's ironic that you call me a moron when you can't understand the parameters of such a simple question. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house moron.

 

Every FO makes a ton of mistakes, which was the whole point of the question. Some are magnified because of the money involved, but mistakes are mistakes. Is it so hard to understand the context of such a simple inquiry?

[Dojji]

It's ironic that you call me a moron when you can't understand the parameters of such a simple question. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house moron.

 

Every FO makes a ton of mistakes, which was the whole point of the question. Some are magnified because of the money involved, but mistakes are mistakes. Is it so hard to understand the context of such a simple inquiry?

 

It is when above all else you don't WANT to understand.

[User Name]

I'd like to toss Oakland on that list as well. They don't really make mistakes because they don't even have the money to take the risk in the first place. The only risks they did take (in trades) paid off for them and they ended up winning the AL West.

 

Oakland has made a ton of mistakes over the years. The idea that they don't is asinine.

 

How about trading Carlos Gonzales for Matt Holliday? Or basically giving away Nick Swisher because they thought they had their 1B of the future in Daric Barton, even though talent evaluators thought he wasn't going to hit enough for the position? How about letting Josh Willingham go only to have to trade for an OF who's certainly not going to hit as much in Chris Young even though they have other CF options?

 

And this is my point about the risk, by the way. When teams don't spend big money, the mistakes don't appear as big as A-Rod's 10-year contract or the Crawford signing, but teams make a lot of mistakes year-in, year-out.

[a700hitter]

UN, you didn't set the parameters of your question. You didn't come close to defining the most important term in your question. I'm not throwing stones, just pointing out the flaw in your question. Boy, I am glad I have you on ignore. You really are not worth reading.

[User Name]

My God you're a wuss.

[mvp 78]

So, no ownership group has accomplished what the Red Sox have done-- spent $170+ million and finish last. That is just a fact.

 

Except they were a .500 team with a $170M payroll. They weren't last until dumping the large Beckett, AGon and CC contracts.

[a700hitter]

Except they were a .500 team with a $170M payroll. They weren't last until dumping the large Beckett, AGon and CC contracts.

I believe that you are wrong.

[Lucienbel]

Oakland has made a ton of mistakes over the years. The idea that they don't is asinine.

 

How about trading Carlos Gonzales for Matt Holliday? Or basically giving away Nick Swisher because they thought they had their 1B of the future in Daric Barton, even though talent evaluators thought he wasn't going to hit enough for the position? How about letting Josh Willingham go only to have to trade for an OF who's certainly not going to hit as much in Chris Young even though they have other CF options?

 

And this is my point about the risk, by the way. When teams don't spend big money, the mistakes don't appear as big as A-Rod's 10-year contract or the Crawford signing, but teams make a lot of mistakes year-in, year-out.

 

Only one of those moves from Oakland you mentioned happened in the last three seasons/years.