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I'd like to point out that Twilight was calling for a refund on Lackey's contract when he's thrown a quality start 3 out of 4 times, facing the T-2nd, 5th, and 7th most run scoring offenses.
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Yeah, Rivera never strikes anyone until he starts changing speeds.

 

This isn't to say he's anywhere near Rivera's ability right now, because he isn't locating, but you should know the answer to this.

 

I should have said a straight fastball splitting the plate in two. His location is f***ing terrible. His stuff is just overcoming his location thus far.

 

In terms of Rivera, his pitch moves a ton.

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I should have said a straight fastball splitting the plate in two. His location is f***ing terrible. His stuff is just overcoming his location thus far.

 

In terms of Rivera, his pitch moves a ton.

5-6 inches is not a ton, and Papelbon is still getting decent lateral movement at 4-5 inches, but the explosive backspin is still there. Most pitches coming in at 93-94 will have a positive vertical movement (relative to the gravity effect on a ball with no spin) of +13" give or take 1", but he was still busting it in with +16-17" on Pitch f/x. That will mess with what a hitter is expecting the ball to do.

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Papelbon 2006-2008 was 1-2-3 innings (10-20 pitches), hardly walking a batter ever. Fastball sitting at 95-98

 

Since then hes been walking much more batters and opponents batting avg against on the rise. Number of times last year he had 25+ pitches an appearance. Fastball is now sitting 92-95

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5-6 inches is not a ton' date=' and Papelbon is still getting decent lateral movement at 4-5 inches, but the explosive backspin is still there. Most pitches coming in at 93-94 will have a positive vertical movement (relative to the gravity effect on a ball with no spin) of +13" give or take 1", but he was still busting it in with +16-17" on Pitch f/x. That will mess with what a hitter is expecting the ball to do.[/quote']

 

that is a valid argument. So, you are saying that he is throwing a "rising FB." IE a ball that doesnt drop as much as one would expect

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Papelbon 2006-2008 was 1-2-3 innings (10-20 pitches), hardly walking a batter ever. Fastball sitting at 95-98

 

Since then hes been walking much more batters and opponents batting avg against on the rise. Number of times last year he had 25+ pitches an appearance. Fastball is now sitting 92-95

 

And he has now walked 8 batters in 10IP

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You allow that many baserunners against teams that are actually good and you will lose. The sox may have won 4 of 5' date=' but their opponents are covering up a lot of their glaring issues.[/quote']

 

True, that many baserunners probably accounted for a lot of fake runs. We would have lost if the game was played on fangraphs.

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Sunsmojo, baby!

 

They should cancel spring training next year and instead schedule a 3 game series against the O's before the season opener. There's nothing like playing the O's as a tune-up to get your team ready to play MLB competition.

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I'd like to point out that Twilight was calling for a refund on Lackey's contract when he's thrown a quality start 3 out of 4 times' date=' facing the T-2nd, 5th, and 7th most run scoring offenses.[/quote']

 

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong.

 

I am not a big man.

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that is a valid argument. So' date=' you are saying that he is throwing a "rising FB." IE a ball that doesnt drop as much as one would expect[/quote']

Yep. The magnus force is dependent on the velocity and rotational velocity (spin frequency). With the normal rotational velocity a pitcher puts on a fastball, it would have to be travelling over 300 mph to have enough magnus to overcome the acceleration of gravity. Or something like that. I recall a paragraph in a physics book that used this as an example.

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You allow that many baserunners against teams that are actually good and you will lose. The sox may have won 4 of 5' date=' but their opponents are covering up a lot of their glaring issues.[/quote']

 

What exactly are the Sox' "glaring issues"? I think most people would agree that on paper they're one of the best teams in baseball.

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What exactly are the Sox' "glaring issues"? I think most people would agree that on paper they're one of the best teams in baseball.

 

And most people would agree that you're Dutchy!

 

Ohhhhhhhh :lol:

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What exactly are the Sox' "glaring issues"? I think most people would agree that on paper they're one of the best teams in baseball.

 

Not with a AAAA OF, a s***** BP, a slumping offense, and a catcher who can't throw runners out. I say numbes one, two and three will settle in as the team starts to gel, but number four will be a recurring problem.

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