New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[a700hitter]

It was a general response. You're not part of the "Lackey sucks' date=' should've signed Bay" squad, but it does have its members.[/quote']But the discussion was between us. There is nothing wrong with Bay physically. Don't read too much into 18 Road games. He's swinging the bat well right now, and his HRs will come. His wheels are in good shape too. He is stealing bases and legging out the doubles and triples. I go to lots of Mets games, and i'll tell you just like I did with Ortiz that there is nothing wrong with Bay. His bat speed is good.

[Dipre]

But the discussion was between us. There is nothing wrong with Bay physically. Don't read too much into 18 Road games. He's swinging the bat well right now' date=' and his HRs will come. His wheels are in good shape too. He is stealing bases and legging out the doubles and triples. I go to lots of Mets games, and i'll tell you just like I did with Ortiz that there is nothing wrong with Bay. His bat speed is good.[/quote']

 

The discussion was between us, but pre-emptive measures are always a plus when the "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" squad is around.

 

As for Bay, i don't think his struggles are necessarily physical, and have never stated as such, but there has to be a reason for his lack of power. He may just be trying too hard to impress like Beltre was, that can get on players' heads.

[ORS]

This is year 1 though. Just like with Pedro, the issue wasn't year 1, but the tail end of the contract. You are running around "told you so"-ing to nobody in general, because nobody really questioned his ability this year.

[a700hitter]

This is year 1 though. Just like with Pedro' date=' the issue wasn't year 1, but the tail end of the contract. You are running around "told you so"-ing to nobody in general, because nobody really questioned his ability this year.[/quote']People have denigrated his performance thus far and given credit to the FO for not signing him based on that production. He's still a very good player. Will he be a very good player in year 4? I don't know, but we will see. He sure ain't running like his knees hurt. I really think the knee issue was a complete misfire by the Red Sox docs.

[Lester82]

6 steals and 3 triples. His knees must be aching. His HRs will come. CitiField sucks for power hitters. He will not hit 36 like he did for the Yanks' date=' but he will hit 25 +[/quote']

 

yeah, i remember when Bay hit 36 homers for "the Yanks". good times.

[a700hitter]

yeah' date=' i remember when Bay hit 36 homers for "the Red Sox". good times.[/quote']

 

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[yankees228]

Where do you read that I've said they deny it? The sad part' date=' is that they readily admit [i']and[/i] are fine with the inequity because they benefit from it. The sad part is the greediness.

 

Then I'll rephrase what I initially said. The majority of semi-intelligent (at least) Yankees' fans that I know acknowledge that it's a broken system. Until they fix it, those fans, including myself, want the Yankees to take advantage of the system. However, at the same time, those fans acknowledge that fixing the system would allow for more competitive balance.

[ORS]

Acknowledgement of the broken system isn't my issue. Wanting your team to do all it can to win within a broken system isn't my issue. These are the two things you are talking about.

 

What I'm talking about is the want, the desire, for the system to stay broken to continue to get the benefit.

[schillingouttheks]

I agree with ORS. Too many Yankee fans argue "well, someone has to be the greatest beneficiary of it" and readily acknowledge that it's unfair, but just acknowledging it isn't any type of "concession" (for lack of a better word... I think you know what I'm trying to say). There's an attention that's paid to the flawed system by many Yankees fans but it's empty when there's no immediate desire to level the playing field. Acknowledgment is the first step in a series of necessary steps.

[Dipre]

I agree with ORS. Too many Yankee fans argue "well' date=' someone has to be the greatest beneficiary of it" and readily acknowledge that it's unfair, but just acknowledging it isn't any type of "concession" (for lack of a better word... I think you know what I'm trying to say). There's an attention that's paid to the flawed system by many Yankees fans but it's empty when there's no immediate desire to level the playing field. Acknowledgment is the first step in a series of necessary steps.[/quote']

 

It's important to note that the Red Sox also benefit from the flaws in the system, and many Sox fans are guilty of the same sins as the Yankee fans you describe.

[jacksonianmarch]

I acknowledge the imbalance but show no desire to change it. Why would I want to change a system that allows my team to win more games.

[a700hitter]

I acknowledge the imbalance but show no desire to change it. Why would I want to change a system that allows my team to win more games.

I don't blame you. I wouldn't want it to change.

[yankees228]

Acknowledgement of the broken system isn't my issue. Wanting your team to do all it can to win within a broken system isn't my issue. These are the two things you are talking about.

 

What I'm talking about is the want, the desire, for the system to stay broken to continue to get the benefit.

 

I don't think you can adequately generalize in this instance. I know a lot of Yankees' fans who wouldn't mind seeing the system fixed, and I know a lot of Yankees' fans who want to keep the current system because of the reasons you mentioned.

 

EDIT: If you want to talk about the stereotypical moron Yankees' fan, then sure, you can generalize in that instance. But who cares about those people. I'm talking about the Yankees' fans who are able to emotionally separate themselves from the situation, and are able to show some objectivity. Amongst those fans, I've found it to be pretty split.

[a700hitter]

I agree with ORS. Too many Yankee fans argue "well' date=' someone has to be the greatest beneficiary of it" and readily acknowledge that it's unfair, but just acknowledging it isn't any type of "concession" (for lack of a better word... I think you know what I'm trying to say). There's an attention that's paid to the flawed system by many Yankees fans but it's empty when there's no immediate desire to level the playing field. Acknowledgment is the first step in a series of necessary steps.[/quote']I think there is a belief among MLB Officials and owners that it is good for the game when the Yankees have a good team.

[Dipre]

I don't blame you. I wouldn't want it to change.

 

The Red Sox are one of the teams that benefit nearly as much as the Yankees from the system, yet a significant portion of the fanbase and ownership would like to see the system fixed.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think there is a belief among MLB Officials and owners that it is good for the game when the Yankees have a good team.

 

It undoubtedly is. The Philly-TB series was one of the least watched WS of the modern TV era. The MLB bean counters love it when NY or Boston make a world series. Big fan bases stretched across the globe tuning in to see their favorite teams play for it all. I would venture to guess that the overseas TB Ray fans are in the single digits.

 

Now, separating the good of the game and the good of the business of baseball, then having TB be a good team is split. Having TB be a great team is great for the game, but horrible for the business.

[a700hitter]

Suck ass Bay with a 2 run bomb off Sabathia.

[jacksonianmarch]

Umpire f***s us. Now down 4-0.

[Divinity]

Sabathia is looking horrible tonight, got out of trouble with bases loaded in the 1st, only to give up 4 runs in the 2nd.

[Dipre]

Suck ass Bay with a 2 run bomb off Sabathia.

 

Still a lower SLG% and less HR's than Beltre.

[a700hitter]

Umpire f***s us. Now down 4-0.

What was the bad call?

[Divinity]

Bay's numbers are reduced by playing in Citi Field, he's hit several balls that would've been HR's in Boston.

[a700hitter]

Still a lower SLG% and less HR's than Beltre.

But wouldn't cause a logjam.

[Dipre]

Bay's numbers are reduced by playing in Citi Field' date=' he's hit several balls that would've been HR's in Boston.[/quote']

 

Incorrect.

 

Bay's real problem has been his .585 OPS on the road. He's slugging under .350 on the road, but over .500 at home.

[Dipre]

But wouldn't cause a logjam.

 

Best.Logjam.Ever though.

[a700hitter]

Best.Logjam.Ever though.

logjam is not his fault anyway. That's Theo's issue.

[Dipre]

logjam is not his fault anyway. That's Theo's issue.

 

Trade Lowell plz.

 

Couple of things:

 

Can't deny Johan's lost some luster from his glory days. Not nearly as big a difference between his FB and changeup.

 

And what a weak effort from Teix, that pitch was right down his wheelhouse.

[Dipre]

Bay LOVES the Yankees. He hammers the s*** out of them.

[Lester82]

Suck ass Bay with a 2 run bomb off Sabathia.

 

Yeah, because people implied that he sucked.

[Lester82]

Umpire f***s us. Now down 4-0.

 

Good. Because there were a number of blown calls in the 2010 playoffs, and somehow never against the Yankees.

 

Edit: And sorry, obviously meant 2009 playoffs