Yankees deal for Vazquez

[jacksonianmarch]

So the overall deal is...

 

Atlanta receives: Melky Cabrera, Michael Dunn, Arodys Vizcaino and $500K

 

NY receives: Javier Vazquez

 

Atlanta's perspective: They had a logjam at pitcher and didnt have the cash to make a run at an elite hitter. By dealing Vazquez, they save approximated $9 million. By getting Cabrera, they get a young OFer capable of playing CF to supplant McLouth and move him to LF. They also get a guy with advanced tools who could blossom in the NL into a bona fide leadoff type hitter. They also get a lefty reliever in Mike Dunn who has the stuff to be in the bigs now and potentially close, if he locates better. But the gem of the deal is Arodys Vizcaino. He'll slot into the long season leagues and be a top 10 prospect in the Braves system. He has a long way to go, but if he realizes his potential, the yankees will regret his inclusion in this trade. I like this deal from an Atl POV

 

 

Yankees perspective: The Yankees were coming up on a 40 man roster crunch after this season and were concerned about giving two spots in the rotation to Chamberlain and Hughes. But they didnt want to be locked into a long term deal. Enter Javier Vazquez. Now, 5 yrs ago, Javy was one of the best pitchers in baseball through the ASB, but he developed some arm fatigue and fell apart. Since he was sent packing to ARI, he's been one of the most durable pitchers in baseball. He is also well within his prime at 31 yrs old. In 2009, he was considered by WAR to be one of if not the most valuable pitcher in the NL. So, he certainly isnt chop liver here. But a lot of Yankee fans will be skeptical of him since the last memory of Vazquez is getting shillacked in the 2004 ALCS. Now older, stronger, and essentially better, he returns to NY, hopefully triumphantly. He also wont be counted on to be the ace of the staff, since CC has that locked up. Regardless, from a need perspective, this was a good move. In the short term, losing Melky is easily replaceable with Gardner. Losing Dunn is replaceable with Logan. Long term, though, this might be less of a win-win. Vizcaino was a gem who needed only seasoning and Dunn has the capability to close eventually. But, you have to give up something to get something. The fact that Javy is on a 1 yr deal and will be a Type A FA makes this a bit better, since we should get 2 picks back if Javy walks.

 

Overall, I like this deal for both sides. Atlanta gets a trio of highly talented players, 2 of which can contribute now and the budget space to fill other needs. And NY gets another durable strikeout pitcher to add to their rotation.

[Dojji]

Can't really see that going well for NY, but stranger things have definitely happened. I think a lot of the league's lefthanded sticks just felt some holiday cheer.

[BSN07]

Seems like an odd deal for both sides. I would have thought ATL could have gotten a better package. And it seems odd to bring back Javier for a 2nd go around after how the last one ended. I will admit he did have arm issues and that could have been the cause of some of his problems.

 

This is Melky's chance to prove all the doubters wrong. I think he get's exposed IMO.

[italstallianion]

Is there a Yankee prospect that Jacko doesn't think is great or has high potential? Where's Dipre's chart when you need it?

[Dipre]

Is there a Yankee prospect that Jacko doesn't think is great or has high potential? Where's Dipre's chart when you need it?

 

Credit goes to ORS for that chart. I didn't come up with it

[Dipre]

Can't really see that going well for NY' date=' but stranger things have definitely happened. I think a lot of the league's lefthanded sticks just felt some holiday cheer.[/quote']

 

Over his career, Vasquez has SLG splits of .419 vs righties and .430 vs lefties. He has no noticeable platoon issues.

[Imperial59]

Can't be disappointed about this one. The Yankees had an opportunity to sign a free agent like John Lackey or make a trade for a pitcher like Roy Halladay. But instead, they traded away their regular CF/LF (and according to Joel Sherman they aren't going after a new one) for a guy with an ERA of 4.52 over 4 years in the American League. It should be fun watching a guy who's allowed more than a home run per 9 innings of his career pitch in the new Yankee Stadium.

[Imperial59]

Over his career' date=' Vasquez has SLG splits of .419 vs righties and .430 vs lefties. He has no noticeable platoon issues.[/quote']

 

Perhaps he was referring to Vazquez' and his propensity to give up the long ball pitching in a very friendly lefty hitting home run park.

[Cocos Disciples]

It all depends on which Javier Vazquez the Yankees get. I would lean towards the 2008 model, though not quite as bad. For reference, here are his past two years:

 

2008 (White Sox): 4.67 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 3.28 K/BB, 8.6 K/9

2009 (Braves): 2.87 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 5.41 K/BB, 9.8 K/9

 

He's going to be a good #3 and will be worth what the Yankees gave up. I don't think Melky is anything more than a fringe starter. Arodys Vizcaino may end up being the best player in this deal--he has great stuff.

[italstallianion]

Over his career' date=' Vasquez has SLG splits of .419 vs righties and .430 vs lefties. He has no noticeable platoon issues.[/quote']

 

 

Plus, while Vasquez may or may not have lefty/right slugging splits, the launching pad formally known as Yankee Stadium certainly does.

[Divinity]

Anyone else have a feeling this will re-open the door for Damon now that Melky is gone?

 

Damon had at one point been reportedly willing to accept a two-year contract worth approximately $20 million from the Yankees, who countered with a $14 million pact at the same length. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult for them to come to an agreement.

[Dipre]

Perhaps he was referring to Vazquez' and his propensity to give up the long ball pitching in a very friendly lefty hitting home run park.

 

He might have been, but Vasquez is equally bomb-prone to both lefties and righties. That trend will likely continue regardless of his home stadium when it pertains to the AL.

[BSN07]

Anyone else have a feeling this will re-open the door for Damon now that Melky is gone?

 

Damon had at one point been reportedly willing to accept a two-year contract worth approximately $20 million from the Yankees, who countered with a $14 million pact at the same length. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult for them to come to an agreement.

 

Joel Sherman of the New York Post says (via Twitter) that Bay, Johnny Damon and Matt Holliday remain too expensive for the Yankees.

 

For what it's worth.

[jacksonianmarch]

This won't go well for NY? He's thrown 198IP or more for 10 seasons in a row. He is the model of consistency. I did make a mistake though, Vazquez is 33, not 31. Putting him in the yankee rotation means we have 4 starters who averaged 200IP or more over the last 2 seasons. I dont see him having the kind of season he had with Atlanta, but I dont think a 200+IP low 4's ERA season is out of the question. And from the 4 hole, that's nasty.

[diony]

After the year Javy Vasquez had, it was a complete steal imo.

[26 to 6]

I don't like it! I don't like trading Melky, I don't like trading Dunn for Boone f***ing Logan, and I don't like trading Vizcaino. Vazquez better pitch good this year otherwise I'm gunning for Cashman's head. I hope Melky is an All Star this year as well. This is f***ing ********. if we could have kept Dunn and Boone out of it I might like it more, but as of now I feel like Atlanta raped us. This is what Cashman was up all night doing? You've got to f***ing be kidding me! Didn't we try the Javy Vazquez thing once before? All I have to say is he better redeem himself, for real. I keep having images of Damon hitting that grand slam off him in game 7, and it's not a pretty sight.

[26 to 6]

After the year Javy Vasquez had' date=' it was a complete steal imo.[/quote']

In the NL East. He'll be hard-pressed to replicate that this year. As king as he keeps the ERA under 4 and pitches at least 200 innings I'll be somewhat satisfied though.

[diony]

In the NL East. He'll be hard-pressed to replicate that this year. As king as he keeps the ERA under 4 and pitches at least 200 innings I'll be somewhat satisfied though.

 

Somewhat satisfied? You're gonna get that production from your #4 starter, +200 IP, 4ish ERA, a WAR of 5.0 and a K/9 of around 9. He has pitched more than 32 starts on each season since 2000. That's consistency. Our rotation now has the best K rate in the league.

 

And seriously, the centerpiece of the deal was Melky Cabrera. A 1.6 WAR CF that is going to make $3m next year.

[redsoxrules]

I don't like it! I don't like trading Melky' date=' I don't like trading Dunn for Boone f***ing Logan, and I don't like trading Vizcaino. Vazquez better pitch good this year otherwise I'm gunning for Cashman's head. I hope Melky is an All Star this year as well. This is f***ing ********. if we could have kept Dunn and Boone out of it I might like it more, but as of now I feel like Atlanta raped us. This is what Cashman was up all night doing? You've got to f***ing be kidding me! Didn't we try the Javy Vazquez thing once before? All I have to say is he better redeem himself, for real. [b']I keep having images of Damon hitting that grand slam off him in game 7, and it's not a pretty sight[/b].

 

no?

 

I tought it was pretty

[jacksonianmarch]

Vazquez will be a Type A FA. He is reasonably priced and will hit the market at 33 yrs old. So, unless he pitches well and we re-sign him, we get a season of him plus a 1st rounder and a supplemental first rounder in 2011. That's the security blanket of this deal. I fully expect Vazquez to be very strong for us, but if he is just okay, we can let him walk and replace the cost of the deal with two high draft picks.

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW, this deal gives us the best rotation in the AL IMO. 4 guys who should reasonably give 200IP with one giving an ace performance, two giving a #2 type performance, and Pettitte slotting back in the #3 range. The more I think about it, the more I like this deal and cannot wait for the season to start. Its hard to say that we arent the odds on favorites for 2010

[jacksonianmarch]

And even better....We get Granderson and we get Vazquez via trade without giving up our best position prospect (Montero), our best young MLB talent (Chamberlain or Hughes) or our best pitching prospect (Banuelos) in the minors.

[redsoxrules]

BTW' date=' this deal gives us the best rotation in the AL IMO. 4 guys who should reasonably give 200IP with one giving an ace performance, two giving a #2 type performance, and Pettitte slotting back in the #3 range. The more I think about it, the more I like this deal and cannot wait for the season to start. Its hard to say that we arent the odds on favorites for 2010[/quote']

 

LOL

[Dipre]

LOL

 

Exactly.

[jacksonianmarch]

find me a deeper, more durable, more effective rotation

[Dipre]

find me a deeper' date=' more durable, more effective rotation[/quote']

 

Lester

Beckett

Lackey

Matsuzaka

Bucholz.

[diony]

^ LOL

[italstallianion]

Vazquez will be a Type A FA. He is reasonably priced and will hit the market at 33 yrs old. So' date=' unless he pitches well and we re-sign him, we get a season of him plus a 1st rounder and a supplemental first rounder in 2011[/b']. That's the security blanket of this deal. I fully expect Vazquez to be very strong for us, but if he is just okay, we can let him walk and replace the cost of the deal with two high draft picks.

 

 

 

Don't get ahead of yourself. The Yanks would have to offer Vasquez arbitration before they can get draft picks, and the Yanks have let alot of Type A's and B's go without offering them arbitration and in the past 2-3 years alone, have left a lot of potential draft picks disappear. And even in the off chance that you do get the draft picks, the Yankees aren't a very good drafting team, so the picks won't necessarily help New York that much, not to mention that the Yankees will most likely lose other draft picks from signing more free agents.

[italstallianion]

BTW' date=' this deal gives us the best rotation in the AL IMO[/b']. 4 guys who should reasonably give 200IP with one giving an ace performance, two giving a #2 type performance, and Pettitte slotting back in the #3 range. The more I think about it, the more I like this deal and cannot wait for the season to start. Its hard to say that we arent the odds on favorites for 2010

 

 

 

That's bad, even for you Jacko. Even for all of the crazy s*** you've said since I've been here, that's bad.

 

If I can borrow a line from Chris Berman, Tom Jackson, Keyshawn Johnson and Coach Ditka:

 

 

C'MON MAN!!!!!

[Dipre]

^ LOL

 

@ you.