Unofficial Adrian Gonzalez thread.

[bsox0407]

another Freudian slip

 

I already said i meant ocean

[Gom]

Do you really find it hard to believe that a career .300 hitter away from Petco' date=' who is still blossoming into one of the most feared hitters in the league, can hit close to .350 playing 1/2 his games at friendly Fenway? Just the switch alone should make him a .300-.320 hitter, if he continues to improve and really adapts well to Fenway, there is no reason to believe he can't approach .350. Now, obviously we don't EXPECT him to hit .350, but I think its very well possible.[/quote']

 

Leaving SD will help his power totals.

 

Now..think about it...who are you facing in the NL Central? Kershaw? Cain? I'll give it up for Lincecum, but that's really it.

 

Come to the AL East. Face CC, AJ, Shields, Garza...and that's just on two teams. Most hitters, regardless of the hitters, when they come to the AL from the NL, see a decrease in their productivity.

 

To expect a player to go from hitting .300 to .350 is well...ridiculous.

[Keeper]

NL West. And there are some really good pitchers in that division. Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Webb, Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, and Jimenez are all very good.

[Dipre]

Leaving SD will help his power totals.

 

Now..think about it...who are you facing in the NL Central? Kershaw? Cain? I'll give it up for Lincecum, but that's really it.

 

Come to the AL East. Face CC, AJ, Shields, Garza...and that's just on two teams. Most hitters, regardless of the hitters, when they come to the AL from the NL, see a decrease in their productivity.

 

To expect a player to go from hitting .300 to .350 is well...ridiculous.

 

He plays in the NL West, for one.

 

Also, Cain, Lincecum, Kershaw, Haren, there are plenty of above-average pitchers with good stuff in the NL West, you also keep using the NL argument incorrectly. Pitchers are more dominant because of the weaker lineups, but a pitcher with good stuff is a pitcher with good stuff.

 

Besides, OP meant .350 at Fenway Park, expecting him to hit .350 over a full season is probably not a good idea.

[Emmz]

To Gom: He had the third-highest OPS+ in the NL, that says something about his ballpark right there. Pretty sure he'd have a surge in power playing in Boston, regardless of competition.

 

NL West has great pitchers. Kershaw, Lincecum, Cain, Webb, Haren, a few more I'm forgetting, but they're not only great pitchers, but they're in pitcher's parks as well.

[mvp 78]

Garza and Shields aren't really going to cause a drop in AGon production anyway. The D-bags, Dodgers, and Giants have really good pitchers as the previous posters have said. If he was able to lift the ball to left field at Fenway, his numbers would skyrocket.

[Gom]

Any new news on this today?

[CoachC.]

Any new news on this today?

 

Just this from MLBTR

ESPN.com's Buster Olney asked an "independent evaluator" to guess what the Red Sox would have to give up to obtain Adrian Gonzalez. Olney's source says the Padres need to acquire Ryan Westmoreland and Casey Kelly, plus other highly-touted prospects.

[Dipre]

Yeah not happening. Kelly is untouchable.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Depending on what the other prospects are, I'd rather do that than deal Buchholz.

[Dipre]

Depending on what the other prospects are' date=' I'd rather do that than deal Buchholz.[/quote']

 

Kelly AND Westmoreland?

 

Really?

[Dojji]

Time to explore other options. Looks like Hoyer's bidding as if he wouldn't mind not moving A-Gon, and that's not a winning proposition for the Sox.

[Dipre]

Time to explore other options. Looks like Hoyer's bidding as if he wouldn't mind not moving A-Gon' date=' and that's not a winning proposition for the Sox.[/quote']

 

Sign Adrian Beltre or Russel Branyan./offseason.

[Dojji]

I haven't given up on finding an above average RHH 1B. I'll dig around and see what might be out there and available.

 

but for starters, I bet we could get a better deal on Miguel Cabrera. Something centered around Buchholz and Bard would grab the Tigers' attention. The really need pitching and they DESPERATELY need good bullpen pitching.

[Dojji]

Hey, how about Paul Konerko? He's in the last year of his deal, the Chisox are not in contention, I imagine that Kenny Williams will at least talk about moving him for prospects. Decent power, RHH, average glove. There's a potential fit there. And the Chisox are one of the teams that might actually contemplate taking on Lowell, too.

 

Just food for thought.

[Dipre]

I haven't given up on finding an above average RHH 1B. I'll dig around and see what might be out there and available.

 

but for starters, I bet we could get a better deal on Miguel Cabrera. Something centered around Buchholz and Bard would grab the Tigers' attention. The really need pitching and they DESPERATELY need good bullpen pitching.

 

Miguel Cabrera's a fantastic option, but although he seems much more likely than Hanley, there are still some problems about the premise of acquiring, mainly the Tigers' interest in dealing him (i believe they could be swayed though) and the fact that this FO hates divas, and Cabrera is a Manny type diva.

[Dojji]

We could have gotten Gaby Sanchez for Manny Delcarmen at one point not too long ago, I wonder if that deal is still an option.

 

I think we have a shot at Konerko if Theo chooses to go in that direction.

 

Near as I can tell, those two are about it for specifically RHH, other than maybe Max Ramirez.

 

I wish Anderson hadn't fallen off the map, he'd be in the convo right now.

 

I imagine if I mentioned Aaron Bates assuming a starting role I'd get the laughing derision I richly reserved.

[Dipre]

We could have gotten Gaby Sanchez for Manny Delcarmen at one point not too long ago, I wonder if that deal is still an option.

 

I think we have a shot at Konerko if Theo chooses to go in that direction.

 

Near as I can tell, those two are about it for specifically RHH, other than maybe Max Ramirez.

 

I wish Anderson hadn't fallen off the map, he'd be in the convo right now.

 

I imagine if I mentioned Aaron Bates assuming a starting role I'd get the laughing derision I richly reserved.

 

Yes you would, i would be first in line.

 

No decent RH 1B options, apparently.

[Dojji]

I dunno. Konerko intrigues me. 100% dependent on whether Kenny Williams thinks he has the offense to contend next year of course He doesn't, he needs to realize that, and he might not.

 

I see no reason he shouldn't be available, and for a far saner price than Cabrera and Gonzo. Not in their league, but surely "decent." It's certainly a more creative solution than seeing how many top 10 prospects we can hand San Diego on a silver platter before they condescendingly deign to accept an offer.

[Keeper]

With their rotation, the White Sox can definitely contend in that division. But they are slowly in rebuilding mode. I think Williams already tried to put Konerko in a package for Adrian Gonzalez some time ago. Needless to say, that failed miserably. I'm sure Williams would listen to offers from Theo. Hell, if you put together enough of a package you might even be able to get Alexei. Ozzie soured on him last season.

[Gom]

Adrian Gonzalez will cost a lot more than anyone here thinks. I said it earlier...it would take Kelley, Westmoreland, and Clay. Buster Olney's "independent evaluator" pretty much agrees that it will take more than Kelley and Westmoreland...that the Sox would have to throw in a few other high-end prospects.

 

The truth is, Gonzalez is under control for 2 more years at a shade over 10 million. He'd be worth roughly about 40 million over those 2 years. That by itself will cost a ton of prospects.

[Dipre]

Adrian Gonzalez will cost a lot more than anyone here thinks. I said it earlier...it would take Kelley, Westmoreland, and Clay. Buster Olney's "independent evaluator" pretty much agrees that it will take more than Kelley and Westmoreland...that the Sox would have to throw in a few other high-end prospects.

 

The truth is, Gonzalez is under control for 2 more years at a shade over 10 million. He'd be worth roughly about 40 million over those 2 years. That by itself will cost a ton of prospects.

 

Hoyer wants Clay plus Kelly or Westmoreland.

 

One of many sources claiming Hoyer asked for a package of Buch, Kelly OR Westmoreland and a couple other prospects.

[Gom]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

 

Here is Olney saying that it will take Westmoreland, Kelly and a couple of other high end prospects.

 

The truth of the matter is this.

 

There is no reason to trade him now, outside of injury. You could get the same package for him next year, but with less risk as you could ask for players closer to the major league level.

[Dipre]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

 

Here is Olney saying that it will take Westmoreland, Kelly and a couple of other high end prospects.

 

The truth of the matter is this.

 

There is no reason to trade him now, outside of injury. You could get the same package for him next year, but with less risk as you could ask for players closer to the major league level.

 

Buster Olney does not know what Jed Hoyer wants more than Jed Hoyer himself. That is the truth of the matter. The hold-up on the trade is the fact that Theo is reluctant to trade two of Kelly/West/Jacoby/Buch in the same package.

[Emmz]

Didn't Hoyer state publicly what he wants? That being Buch, Kelly/Westy, and a couple other prospects?

[a700hitter]

If Theo doesn't want to sacrifice the future, he should forget about Gonzalez and sign Holliday who will not cost any prospects-- just $. Together with Lackey, he would build a very competitive bridge to the future.

[CoachC.]

If Theo doesn't want to sacrifice the future' date=' he should forget about Gonzalez and sign Holliday who will not cost any prospects-- just $. Together with Lackey, he would build a very competitive bridge to the future.[/quote']

 

I don't see them signing another high profile free agent because it would put them over the luxury tax threshold which is a 22.5% penalty for payroll over $170 million.

[a700hitter]

I don't see them signing another high profile free agent because it would put them over the luxury tax threshold which is a 22.5% penalty for payroll over $170 million.

I don't see them making another big signing either, but I think that will be a big mistake.

[Lester82]

Didn't Hoyer state publicly what he wants? That being Buch' date=' Kelly/Westy, and a couple other prospects?[/quote']

 

At what point would he have made his trade demand public?

[SCM33]

The Sox offered Holliday 5 years, 82 Million. 16 Million per year. If he didnt want to take that deal, then go kick rocks.

 

Why not just offer Bay the same deal? Im sure Bay takes that deal, for probably a total amount of 75 Million, as long as the 5th year is there. Im not a huge Bay fan, but why are the Sox just standing with their hands in their pockets?

 

The biggest names in the market are still out there to be had, and it doesnt look like they are competing with anybody at this point.