Sox sign Scutaro .

[Keeper]

Scutaro cashed in on a career year at age 34.

 

2009: .282 BA/ .379 OBP/ .409 SLG/ .789 OPS/ 111 OPS+

 

CAREER: .265 BA/ .337 OBP/ .384 SLG/ .721 OPS/ 92 OPS+

 

Very informative. No one else knew this.

[Dipre]

Very informative. No one else knew this.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

[yankees228]

Privileged information.

[jacksonianmarch]

Marco Scutaro, at 33 yrs old, set career highs in...

 

BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, HR, BB, tied in RBI, SB, and doubles.

 

And his line was .282/.379/.409, which is solid, but certainly not something that you'd expect to be a career yr from the hottest commodity on the market, especially seeing as he isnt anything special defensively.

 

Overall, it fills the hole and gives the sox some more time with Lowrie, but I think this just continues in the long line of SS flails that Theo has encountered since dealing Nomar.

[riverside sluggers]

I think with Scutaro being locked up for 2 years (option for 3rd), it gives time for Iglesias (20 years old) rather than Lowrie. Wouldnt be surprised to see Lowrie be included in any packages

[jacksonianmarch]

Iglesias may be the SS of the future, but you wont know until he gets into A or AA next yr. If he comes out and hits like Mendoza, then you're gonna have to temper your enthusiasm a bit. He has to prove that he can carry the stick before he gets into the equation for sox SS

[Rdsxmbnt]

Very informative. No one else knew this.

 

I think he's got an insider account with baseball-reference.com

[Tyler Durden]

I think with Scutaro being locked up for 2 years (option for 3rd)' date=' it gives time for Iglesias (20 years old) rather than Lowrie. Wouldnt be surprised to see Lowrie be included in any packages[/quote']

 

Lowrie at this point would be a throw in, in any deal.

[Dipre]

Iglesias may be the SS of the future' date=' but you wont know until he gets into A or AA next yr. If he comes out and hits like Mendoza, then you're gonna have to temper your enthusiasm a bit. He has to prove that he can carry the stick before he gets into the equation for sox SS[/quote']

 

No one here is expecting much offensively from the kid. Just hit for around league average but he has to be an impact player with his glove, which is his real selling point.

 

Not surprised you want to destroy any enthusiasm we may have for the kid though.

[Spudboy]

I've personally been eyeing Lackey, especially since I think we need to sign another type A just so we don't lose a first rounder on Marco Scutaro. I also think that Lackey could help us more than Soriano/Gonzalez and we'd still gain on the draft (29th pick becomes 20th, 2nd round pick becomes type-a supplemental).

 

There are so many things however, to hate about the Scutaro deal but I'm going to wait until the numbers are finalised before I really start hating it. But be warned, it's coming.

 

As much as I don't want another fat slob starting pitcher (this one with a horse face as well)

I'm all for Lackey in a Sox Uni in 2010 and beyond.

 

Get 'er done Theo.

 

And Bay/Holliday.

 

And Adrien Gonzalez.

 

Thank you Santa.

[riverside sluggers]

No one here is expecting much offensively from the kid. Just hit for around league average but he has to be an impact player with his glove, which is his real selling point.

 

Not surprised you want to destroy any enthusiasm we may have for the kid though.

 

This is coming from a Yankees fan who puts number of Yankee prospects above all other prospects

[Spudboy]

Marco Scutaro, at 33 yrs old, set career highs in...

 

BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, HR, BB, tied in RBI, SB, and doubles.

 

And his line was .282/.379/.409, which is solid, but certainly not something that you'd expect to be a career yr from the hottest commodity on the market, especially seeing as he isnt anything special defensively.

 

Overall, it fills the hole and gives the sox some more time with Lowrie, but I think this just continues in the long line of SS flails that Theo has encountered since dealing Nomar.

 

Objectivity in your post.

 

I like it.

 

Hey Jacko. Please tell Jeter his GG and SS are now secure.

[Gom]

Objectivity in your post.

 

I like it.

 

Hey Jacko. Please tell Jeter his GG and SS are now secure.

 

You really think Pedroia could have challenged him for SS? Gold Glove maybe, if he could reach first base from the hole. Silver Slugger? Merry Christmas. He can't out Jeter OR Cano.

[Spudboy]

You really think Pedroia could have challenged him for SS? Gold Glove maybe' date=' if he could reach first base from the hole. Silver Slugger? Merry Christmas. He can't out Jeter OR Cano.[/quote']

 

Relax Mo.

 

I was poking fun at what Pedroia had said in jest.

 

Jeez.

 

Did you see the smiley?

[riverside sluggers]

You really think Pedroia could have challenged him for SS? Gold Glove maybe' date=' if he could reach first base from the hole. Silver Slugger? Merry Christmas. He can't out Jeter OR Cano.[/quote']

 

He's referencing Pedroia's quote on mlb network's hot stove "Let Jeter know to enjoy his silver slugger and gold glove while he can"

 

Just Pedroia doing his usual smack talk

[26 to 6]

Good stuff. nothing like giving up a first rounder for a fringe shortstop. I think the Sox would have been much better off moving Pedroia to short and signing Orlando Hudson. f*** it, I'm not complaining.

[Spudboy]

He's referencing Pedroia's quote on mlb network's hot stove "Let Jeter know to enjoy his silver slugger and gold glove while he can"

 

Just Pedroia doing his usual smack talk

 

Um, yeah.

 

Lol.

[riverside sluggers]

Um, yeah.

 

Lol.

 

I didnt see that you had replied to Gom's post... It was a 4 minute gap in between mine and your post, not like it was an hour's gap

[SCM33]

You really think Pedroia could have challenged him for SS? Gold Glove maybe' date=' if he could reach first base from the hole. Silver Slugger? Merry Christmas. He can't out Jeter OR Cano.[/quote']

 

Wait....wait......waitttttt a minute here. How many MVP's does Jeter have? How many MVP's does Cano have? Combined, zero.

 

Pedroia, like it or not, is following a career path VERY similar to Jeter buddy. First 3 full seasons:

 

JETER

HR RBI SB BB BA OB% SLG OPS

10 78 14 48 .314 .370 .430 .800

10 70 23 74 .291 .370 .405 .775

19 84 30 57 .324 .384 .481 .864

 

PEDROIA

HR RBI SB BB BA OB% SLG OPS

08 50 07 47 .317 .380 .442 .823

17 83 20 50 .326 .376 .493 .869

15 72 20 74 .296 .371 .447 .819

[Spudboy]

I didnt see that you had replied to Gom's post... It was a 4 minute gap in between mine and your post' date=' not like it was an hour's gap[/quote']

 

No no.

 

I was agreeing with what you said!

 

Lol.

 

 

 

I have to get some sleep.

[Imperial59]

Good stuff. nothing like giving up a first rounder for a fringe shortstop. I think the Sox would have been much better off moving Pedroia to short and signing Orlando Hudson. f*** it' date=' I'm not complaining.[/quote']

 

First of all, we're not really giving up a 1st rounder because of Scutaro because Wagner signed elsewhere and there's a 90% chance we sign Bay or Holliday (also Type A's). Chances are, Scutaro will cost us a second rounder.

 

And moving Pedroia to short was not the answer. He's not a decent devensive SS. I think a lot of people will be surprised by Scutaro. Sure, he hasn't had the most impressive career but he was a top 5 SS in WAR last year. And so what if he doesn't work out, he's signed for the salary of some backup SS's and his contract is only for 2 years. We could easily upgrade at SS and have an elite bench player in Scutaro.

[Gom]

You're really comparing Pedroia to Jeter? Really? Seriously?

 

I know Pedroia was kidding, I read the whole quote. Pedroia is a decent player, but he's not in Jeter's class as a player. As a competitor, yes. As a player, no.

[yankees228]

First of all, we're not really giving up a 1st rounder because of Scutaro because Wagner signed elsewhere and there's a 90% chance we sign Bay or Holliday (also Type A's). Chances are, Scutaro will cost us a second rounder.

 

And moving Pedroia to short was not the answer. He's not a decent devensive SS. I think a lot of people will be surprised by Scutaro. Sure, he hasn't had the most impressive career but he was a top 5 SS in WAR last year. And so what if he doesn't work out, he's signed for the salary of some backup SS's and his contract is only for 2 years. We could easily upgrade at SS and have an elite bench player in Scutaro.

 

If they re-sign Bay? Really?

[kreinbihl34]

You're really comparing Pedroia to Jeter? Really? Seriously?

 

I know Pedroia was kidding, I read the whole quote. Pedroia is a decent player, but he's not in Jeter's class as a player. As a competitor, yes. As a player, no.

 

Did you just ignore the stats that were posted or can you just not read?

[example1]

You're really comparing Pedroia to Jeter? Really? Seriously?

 

I know Pedroia was kidding, I read the whole quote. Pedroia is a decent player, but he's not in Jeter's class as a player. As a competitor, yes. As a player, no.

 

He's not in Jeter's class yet. Jeter is one of the greatest shortstops of all time. Pedroia isn't yet at the point of being considered one of the best second basemen of all time.

 

Jeter had played in 480 G after his age 24 season. Pedroia has played in 481 through age 25.

 

Here are their numbers through that time (per-162)

 

[Table] NAME | G | AB | H | R | SB | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG | OPS | OPS + | WARP3 (BP)

JETER | 480 | 646 | (199) | (119) | (23) |(14) | (81) | .308 | .373 | .437 | .809 | 109 | 13.9

PEDROIA | 481 | 636 | (195) | (109) | (16) | (14) | (71) | .307 | .370 | .455 | .825 | 111 | 17.7 [/table]

 

I'd say these numbers show that Pedroia is off to a very good start. Whether he will be as good as Jeter is impossible to tell. There's plenty of room for Pedroia to be a hall of famer without ever having the iconic clout that Jeter does. Different players, different teams, different positions.

[Tyler Durden]

First of all, we're not really giving up a 1st rounder because of Scutaro because Wagner signed elsewhere and there's a 90% chance we sign Bay or Holliday (also Type A's). Chances are, Scutaro will cost us a second rounder.

 

And moving Pedroia to short was not the answer. He's not a decent devensive SS. I think a lot of people will be surprised by Scutaro. Sure, he hasn't had the most impressive career but he was a top 5 SS in WAR last year. And so what if he doesn't work out, he's signed for the salary of some backup SS's and his contract is only for 2 years. We could easily upgrade at SS and have an elite bench player in Scutaro.

 

You do know you don't lose draft picks if you re-sign your own players.

 

I.e... Jason Bay

[BSN07]

I'm not overly thrilled or upset about the deal. If Scutaro can do anything close to what he did last season, it'll be far better then what the Sox have had recently. I would have preferred 1 year with an option, but 2 isn't bad. He might stick around for the 3rd in a utility role. 5M a year is also very tolerable. If another SS becomes an option, he's not that expensive of a bench option to be honest.

 

I also think like others think this is leading to another FA signing of player ranked higher the Scutaro. Keeping Toronto from gaining a 1st round pick for Scutaro is an advantage for the Sox or more then one level.

 

Over all it fills the hole with what seems to be a competent player.

 

If Theo adds Hermida, Scutatro, Holliday + it will be a good off season for the Sox IMO.

[BoSox21]

I can definitely live with this deal as a two-year contract. There's no question it's an upgrade over the SS position last season which is how you have to look at it IMO.

[TheMino007]

I can live with two years, and all in all its not that expensive. Guying up draft picks for a mediocre guy who had a breakout season at 34 is questionable, but what is done is done. The SS debate is over. Now its time to move on to getting a big bat at 1st and the LF situation. Lets give Scutaro a chance before we crucify him and Theo for signing him.

[Cocos Disciples]

Pedroia and Jeter actually have had remarkably similar stats from 2007-2009. I think there's a fair comparison. Obviously Jeter has had a more successful career so far, but if Pedroia keeps going at his pace, he's going to be something special. He's more than a "decent" player.