Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Emmz]

Standing pat would basically be suicide. We won't even make the playoffs if that happens. Getting Holliday and Gonzalez sounds AWESOME. I'd like to see that happen more than anything else, to be honest.

[BSN07]

I'm not okay with them staying pat.

 

That may not be encouraging, but it is consistent and logical.

 

He never will get it. I commend you for your continuing efforts though. But your better off arguing with a stop sign.

 

a700's Yank-itus flares this time of year. If he's not given his shiny new toys(players) and promised a WS title every year, he tends to get grouchy.

[BSN07]

The Red Sox are apparently unwilling to give up either of Toronto's top targets -- Casey Kelly and Clay Buchholz -- in deal for Roy Halladay.

 

Thank you.

[BSN07]

Torres also said he soon expects Cuban defector OF Leslie Anderson to be declared FA

 

Anyone have any background on this guy?

[redsoxrules]

Thank you.

 

thank you?

 

 

f*** that , there's a f***ing problem if you're not willing to unload one of the 2 for Halladay

 

Jesus christ were talking about one of the best pitcher in the game

 

f***ing nice Theo

[BSN07]

thank you?

 

 

f*** that , there's a f***ing problem if you're not willing to unload one of the 2 for Halladay

 

Jesus christ were talking about one of the best pitcher in the game

 

f***ing nice Theo

 

I personally rather they Keep Buchholz. I could be convinced into trading Kelly. But I won't be upset if they don't. The overall cost of Halladay is to high IMO. If it was just $(like it could be next off season) or just prospects(as in they get more then one year of him before having fork over $) it would be ok. But it's not. This an even easier pass then the Johan talks for me personally.

 

I'd rather the Sox stand pat then trade off their promising young players for a mid 30's SP that needs a fat contact. Yes, that probably means not a very exciting off season, but oh well, the Sox don't have to make a splash to appease me.

 

I'll hope for a possible Holliday signing or a trade for a player entering his prime(not leaving it). And if that doesn't happen I will be more then happy to cheer on the current team that is constructed.

[CoachC.]

The Red Sox are among the teams that have expressed interest in Coco Crisp.

 

per buster olney

[BSN07]

per buster olney

 

They have "expressed" interest in everyone at this point. Coco is going to want to have a chance to start. Don't see him coming to Boston to be the 4/5th OF. Although I do see the value in having him on the bench.

[Dipre]

thank you?

 

 

f*** that , there's a f***ing problem if you're not willing to unload one of the 2 for Halladay

 

Jesus christ were talking about one of the best pitcher in the game

 

f***ing nice Theo

 

It would have made sense in July. It doesn't make sense now.

 

If Theo's plan is to stand pat and move a couple pieces at the TDL, then so be it.

[bsox0407]

thank you?

 

 

f*** that , there's a f***ing problem if you're not willing to unload one of the 2 for Halladay

 

Jesus christ were talking about one of the best pitcher in the game

 

f***ing nice Theo

 

I to like BSN07, I feel that between Kelly and Buchholz, i would rather lose Kelly although I think that Kelly can really help the Sox in the Future. His ability to throw in the low 90s with strengthening he will throw faster and harder. Also he has a Supposedly nice 12-6 curve and a changeup.

 

As for getting Halladay, asking is too high for a player that is 32 and has one year left on his deal, although he is a great pitcher he is not worth Buchholz and Kelly.

[Dipre]

Right now, Halladay is worth either player. Toronto has no leverage to be asking for top prospects.

[bsox0407]

Right now' date=' Halladay is worth either player. Toronto has no leverage to be asking for top prospects.[/quote']

 

Either at the same time...NO but if they only had to give up Kelly and a few other lower prospects then ... YES

 

Not saying that you said that is just me saying it.

[Dojji]

Our rotation is already competitive with anyone in the league. Beckett and Lester are a solid 1-2, and a good year from Daisuke and/or Buchholz pretty much puts us over the top. If those two BOTH have good years, we're set.

 

I think 95% of our effort needs to be spent at this point on replacing Bay.

[Teddyballgame10]

If we don't sign Bay how much money will we have to work with next off season? I would imagine a lot. The money not spent on Manny's options and the money saved by not signing Tex. Could we resign Beckett, get Halladay and make a decent run at Mauer?

[Dojji]

Remember that we'll also have to replace at least one of our corner infielders in that offseason Teddy. Unless the plan is to move V-Mart to first base/DH? That might work in that case.

[riverside sluggers]

If we don't sign Bay how much money will we have to work with next off season? I would imagine a lot. The money not spent on Manny's options and the money saved by not signing Tex. Could we resign Beckett' date=' get Halladay and make a decent run at Mauer?[/quote']

 

Beckett, Lowell, Ortiz, V-Mart (extensions possibly, but thats what I thought about Bay last year), Lugo, Varitek

 

Thats $54 million

[a700hitter]

I'm not okay with them staying pat. I've laid out pretty clearly what I want them to do (note: it doesn't assume that Felix is an option):

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/13354-official-2009-2010-hot-stove-season-thread-34.html#post499902

 

1. Sign Matt Holliday

2. Continue building the bullpen

3. Trade for Roy Halladay (ideally without Buchholz*, Iglesias, Tazawa or Westmoreland)

4. Be aggressive on Aroldis Chapman

 

That's not standing pat.

That is certainly not standing pat, so why aren't you discouraged that Theo is saying that it is likely that he will stay pat?

[a700hitter]

While I think there'll be more moves made I think Theo is onto something here.. really the thing to do at this point is re-sign Bay' date=' make a few smaller moves, give up nobody important in the farm and get ready for 2011.. I've said this a number of times (about this not being a "big splash" offseason) and my opinion remains the same.. if it means a stronger team in 2011 and beyond with a somewhat contender for 2010 I will be fine with it.. I just don't see this offseason as a good enough one to give up a lot for a little.. maybe it'll weed out some of those pink hatters too.[/quote']Even according to Theo, the next crop of top prospects are probably 2-3 years away. That brings you to 2012-2013.

[riverside sluggers]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2009/12/09/lobby-buzz-about-mike-lowell/

 

The Red Sox are reportedly positioning themselves to make a run at Adrian Beltre.

[ORS]

That is certainly not standing pat' date=' so why aren't you discouraged that Theo is saying that it is likely that he will stay pat?[/quote']

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty clear that e1 would be discouraged if that quote proves to be their actual course of action rather than them holding their cards close to the vest. In other words, he's not hand wringing because he thinks the quote is nothing more than posturing at this point. Where you seem to have a disconnect is in how much validity you and he are assigning to the quote. You are accepting it at face value, he is not.

[BSN07]

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2009/12/09/lobby-buzz-about-mike-lowell/

 

The Red Sox are reportedly positioning themselves to make a run at Adrian Beltre.

 

Works for me. Be a nice way to supplement some of the power loss on the RH side with Bay leaving and Hermida slotted to be in LF at the moment.

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

V-Mart

Youk

Drew

Beltre

Ortiz

Hermida

Scutaro

(subject to reshuffling of course)

 

It's not the best lineup in the league. But it should be good enough if the rotation manages to pitch efficiently for the most part.

[BSN07]

SI's Jon Heyman believes Felix Hernandez is seeking six years and $100MM, while the Mariners are thinking four years plus an option at less than $50MM. That phrasing makes a possible divide seem larger than it is, since those last two years of the deal would be the most expensive (more than $15MM per year).

 

Is Seattle serious? That is very little incentive to sign an extension. Isn't he arb eligible?

 

If this is really the case, what do you think about Seattle's chances of signing Felix are now Dipre?

[a700hitter]

Maybe it's just me' date=' but I thought it was pretty clear that e1 would be discouraged if that quote proves to be their actual course of action rather than them holding their cards close to the vest. In other words, he's not hand wringing because he thinks the quote is nothing more than posturing at this point. Where you seem to have a disconnect is in how much validity you and he are assigning to the quote. You are accepting it at face value, he is not.[/quote']Example does think he can read everyone's mind. As I said, I hope that Theo is playing possum, but I have nothing to go on but his public statements which have dampened my expectations.

[a700hitter]

Works for me. Be a nice way to supplement some of the power loss on the RH side with Bay leaving and Hermida slotted to be in LF at the moment.

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

V-Mart

Youk

Drew

Beltre

Ortiz

Hermida

Scutaro

(subject to reshuffling of course)

 

It's not the best lineup in the league. But it should be good enough if the rotation manages to pitch efficiently for the most part.

I don't like the Beltre possibility.

[BSN07]

I don't like the Beltre possibility.

 

We know. You don't like any move that isn't a blockbuster

[BoSox21]

I still have no clue why the f*** they'd be interested in Beltre. What it is about his career .325 OBP and .779 OPS at a power position appeals to them?

[a700hitter]

We know. You don't like any move that isn't a blockbuster

I don't like any trade that doesn't improve the team, even if it is a blockbuster.

[a700hitter]

Sheffield has suitors.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/12/sheffield_has_s.html

 

Hopefully, he will not be part of a righty/lefty platoon with Hermida.

[Dipre]

Is Seattle serious? That is very little incentive to sign an extension. Isn't he arb eligible?

 

If this is really the case, what do you think about Seattle's chances of signing Felix are now Dipre?

 

Taking dollar figures at the beginning of a negotiation at face value (and dollar figures that are "reported" by a source nonetheless) to support an argument is asinine.

 

That's what i think about Seattle's chances.

[ORS]

Example does think he can read everyone's mind. As I said' date=' I hope that Theo is playing possum, but I have nothing to go on but his public statements which have dampened my expectations.[/quote']

You are entitled to interpret and react to it any way you want. I just thought the answer to the question you asked was evident in his previous responses.

 

Personally, I think it could go either way. It could be posturing, or it could be an actual warning to the fanbase that some restructuring is about to occur. If you think about it, if they do elect to bridge to the next strong team, now isn't the worst of all times to do it. They need to address long term solutions at DH, 3B (or 1B if Youk moves), SS, C, and at least one COF position. Beckett has been so hit or miss it's tough, IMO, to determine if he's going to be worth the hoopla contract he'll want.

 

That said, I don't think they should pass up on this offseason's opportunity to help the team now while addressing some long-term solutions. For instance, Matt Holliday would do both. As always, we'll have to wait and see what they do. I'm hopeful they take advantage of what this offseason has to offer, and there's one thing that, to me, suggests there's more to follow....the signing of Marco Scutaro. Personally, I wouldn't have given up even a 3rd round pick when OCab was also available, but it would be sheer lunacy to give up a 1st round pick, and if they don't make any more moves, that is what it will be. I have a hard time thinking the FO is stupid enough to fork up a 1st round pick for a two year filler.