Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Keeper]

Unless the Yankees are banking on nabbing Mauer later on, Montero should be untouchable.

[Gom]

I wonder how Jacko feels on Halladay...would he trade one of Joba/Hughes and Montero and/or Jackson?

[BSN07]

Halladay will end up in New York of the NL. You'll see.

 

The Yankees are definitely in win-now mode.

 

With Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and Arod on the wrong side of 32, the Yankees will go into a rebuilding mode after 2012. The addition of Halladay gives the Yankees the best shot at winning it all for the next three years. After that...we shall see.

The Yankees are always in "win mode now"... I can See NY throwing away the young players to get him, but I still think he ends up in the NL.

Halladay to the Angels could make a lot of sense. Although I'd want what BOS or NYY could offer more than the Angels if i'm the TOR general manager. But the Angels could be a darkhorse for sure.

I don't see the Angels forking over the prospects for one year of Halladay. I don't see them giving him in extension for more money then it probably would have cost to just bring Lackey back. Unless Lackey they believe like I do that Lackey is not the pitcher he was and is not worth the money he will likely command:dunno:

I wonder how Jacko feels on Halladay...would he trade one of Joba/Hughes and Montero and/or Jackson?

 

If it's really just two prospects then you really have to consider it. But I wouldn't imagine the price being that low. It's more likely to be 3 of them plus a couple other lower guys.

 

I really think some NL team is going to offer them enough of an excuse to trade him out of the division though.

[BSN07]

Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod is leaving Boston to become the Padres' assistant GM under Jed Hoyer, according to Peter Gammons of ESPN (via Twitter). This news prompted a slew of baseball writers across Twitter to praise the move

 

How big a deal is this?

[ORS]

Unless the Yankees are banking on nabbing Mauer later on' date=' Montero should be untouchable.[/quote']

Why? They have 7 more years of Teixeira, and Montero is very unlikely to make it to MLB as a catcher. Don't get me wrong, he's got a special bat, but he's probably not going to play at position where they don't already have a special bat, so I think there's an argument for them to capitalize on his excellent trade value right now. Especially if it can bring in a pitcher of Halladay's ability.

 

As a Sox fan, I hope they keep him, regardless of whether or not he maintains his projection with the bat. To play him, they'll be replacing another very good hitter. We can compete with a Yankees team that keeps Montero. I don't think the Sox can compete with a Yankees team that adds Halladay.

[Dojji]

How big a deal is this?

 

In terms of how it affects the Sox themselves? Probably not that big of one. It certainly does mean that the Padres will know our farm system very well, since I'm positive MacLeod had a large voice in the draft while he was here.

[BSN07]

In terms of how it affects the Sox themselves? Probably not that big of one. It certainly does mean that the Padres will know our farm system very well' date=' since I'm positive MacLeod had a large voice in the draft while he was here.[/quote']

 

More of how will this affect the Sox scouting and drafting. I mean this guy had to have a major hand in all this young talent that has been coming up recently right?

[riverside sluggers]

Cross Placido Polanco off, not like it mattered haha

 

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/polanco_close_to_three-year_de.html

 

Phillies quickly sign him to be their 3rd baseman, 3 years/$18 million with a mutual option for a 4th year. Earlier reports had it being 2 years $10-12 million

[bsox0407]

We could always bring back Loretta.

[BSN07]

Cross Placido Polanco off, not like it mattered haha

 

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/polanco_close_to_three-year_de.html

 

Phillies quickly sign him to be their 3rd baseman, 3 years/$18 million with a mutual option for a 4th year. Earlier reports had it being 2 years $10-12 million

Wow that's a fairly large deal. I would have passed on the price alone.

We could always bring back Loretta.

 

I hope this an attempt at humor.

[The_Destroyah]

I dunno, I like Polanco and in Philly he could be pretty damn good, of course I think I could hit at least a few homers if I played in Philly 90 times a year against NL pitching.

[riverside sluggers]

Yeah a potential 4 year/$24 million deal to his age 38 season is pretty risky to say the least

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly think Polanco is insurance for Utley who is coming off that hip injury and might be better suited to move to 3b.

[BSN07]

I honestly think Polanco is insurance for Utley who is coming off that hip injury and might be better suited to move to 3b.

 

Interesting thought. Does he have the arm? Honest question, I really haven't a clue.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wonder how Jacko feels on Halladay...would he trade one of Joba/Hughes and Montero and/or Jackson?

 

Right now, I do not want to make a trade for a pitcher. There is a plenty good option out there who is younger than Halladay, has more playoff experience and is a free agent in Lackey. Now, Halladay is undoubtedly better, but signing Halladay will require probably a 6 yr deal. Signing Lackey may be a 5 yr deal. The question you need to ask yourself is which one is better, column A or column B assuming Halladay will get a 6 yr $110 mil deal and Lackey would get a 5yr $90mil deal

 

Column A:

John Lackey for ages 31-35, $20 million less in commitments, and 2 of Montero, Hughes, Jackson, and Chamberlain

 

Column B:

Roy Halladay for ages 33-38, and you get to keep the 2010 first round pick

 

When you look at the stats, I dont think the extra acquisition cost is worth it. Halladay's career WHIP is 1.20. Lackey's is 1.30, Halladay's career ERA is 0.40 better than Lackey's. Halladay has thrown 4 200IP seasons over the last 4 seasons, while Lackey has essentially had 5 over the last 7. Both are durable. Both keep walks to a minimum. Halladay is better, but when you consider the fact that whomever we get will occupy either the #2 (Halladay) or #3 (Lackey) role on this team, then I dont think you need to go over the deep end. C.C. changes this whole dynamic. Also, one must consider that Halladay is 2 yrs older and in all likelihood would need to have an extra yr on his deal. So the ages of acquisition matter, a lot.

 

Also, you need to factor in the fact that dealing for Halladay gives you one year of control, so it isnt like last yr when you would have had two seasons of control. So, right now, I would not trade Hughes or Montero for him at all (since I think Hughes is going to have a very strong career as a starter and Montero is a special, special bat). Now, if Pettitte hangs em up, Boston signs Lackey, and no other tradeable options hit the market, then I would be a bit more inclined to deal for him. But my maximum offer would be either Joba + lower level prospects or AJax + lower level prospects. I would be very reticent to deal both Joba and AJax and I would pull Hughes and Montero off the table altogether. I know that wont get the deal done, but I am very wary of dealing high end talent for a mid 30s pitcher.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2010414546_oh_canada_mariners_seriously_l.html

 

Mariners making a push for Bay and Harden. It would be interesting if the sox lose him to the M's and how strongly the sox would then start courting Holliday

[BSN07]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2010414546_oh_canada_mariners_seriously_l.html

 

Mariners making a push for Bay and Harden. It would be interesting if the sox lose him to the M's and how strongly the sox would then start courting Holliday

 

Hmmm I said Seattle would be a player for Bay, and was highly ridiculed for it by some here. Bay makes a lot of sense for Seattle. Maybe they give Bay that 5th year at maybe a little less AAV and he might bite, 5/70 seems like a good offer. Seattle has a DH opening as well, so Bay could see time in LF and DH.

[Paradisecity]

Hmmm I said Seattle would be a player for Bay' date=' and was highly ridiculed for it by some here. Bay makes a lot of sense for Seattle. Maybe they give Bay that 5th year at maybe a little less AAV and he might bite, 5/70 seems like a good offer. Seattle has a DH opening as well, so Bay could see time in LF and DH.[/quote']

 

Yeah I was one of those seriously doubting his going there. I'll still be shocked if he does, but kudos to you BSN.

[Dipre]

Hmmm I said Seattle would be a player for Bay' date=' and was highly ridiculed for it by some here. Bay makes a lot of sense for Seattle. Maybe they give Bay that 5th year at maybe a little less AAV and he might bite, 5/70 seems like a good offer. Seattle has a DH opening as well, so Bay could see time in LF and DH.[/quote']

 

After Bay, the Felix Hernandez extension is coming.

 

As i said before, the Mariners have money.

[BSN07]

Yeah I was one of those seriously doubting his going there. I'll still be shocked if he does' date=' but kudos to you BSN.[/quote']

 

Much appreciated

 

Where you been lately?

[BSN07]

After Bay, the Felix Hernandez extension is coming.

 

As i said before, the Mariners have money.

 

That would be a serious commitment. Harden would be an interesting option. But I think it be hard to count on him ass a #2. Which is what they need. Add in the need for a 1B and 3B and that could really add up. I know seattle has $ to spend, not sure if they have that much though.

[Paradisecity]

Much appreciated

 

Where you been lately?

 

I've been around- there just hasn't been that much to post about. This offseason has been very slow, and probably won't kick up until the meetings. I also fear that it may be a frustrating offseason for the Sox, as I think they might just sit tight for the most part. Which would suck.

 

I am also in the process of leaving my job and relocating so I have tons of stuff to do and take care of. It is exciting though.

[example1]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2010414546_oh_canada_mariners_seriously_l.html

 

Mariners making a push for Bay and Harden. It would be interesting if the sox lose him to the M's and how strongly the sox would then start courting Holliday

 

Bay going to the M's would net the Sox an even better pick than Wagner did. That said I have a feeling the Sox prefer to have Holliday anyway.

 

My money is on the Yankees swooping in and getting Holliday, the fans here screaming about the Sox not willing to pay him $21.5m/yr (stopping at $20m, say) and then us talking about it for the next 12 months.

 

If the Yankees aren't interested in Holliday then my money is on the Sox getting him. I don't think he's good enough to warrant them getting into a bidding war with NYY for his servicers.

[TheMino007]

I here the Sox are in on the Rich Harden sweepstakes....

[TheKilo]

...which was said yesterday, more than 30 posts ago?

[Lester82]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2010414546_oh_canada_mariners_seriously_l.html

 

Mariners making a push for Bay and Harden. It would be interesting if the sox lose him to the M's and how strongly the sox would then start courting Holliday

 

Yep... I just doubt in the end that neither Bay or Holliday would end up in Fenway next year. so then even if Bay ends up with SEA, Holliday will probably be signed. I doubt the Red Sox lose here.

[example1]

Yep... I just doubt in the end that neither Bay or Holliday would end up in Fenway next year. so then even if Bay ends up with SEA' date=' Holliday will probably be signed. I doubt the Red Sox lose here.[/quote']

 

If Bay signs quickly with a team that's more interested (say... Seattle, just for the purpose of this discussion) what prevents the Yankees from raining on the parade and getting Holliday?

 

Given how little salaries ultimately matter to the Yankees, and the fact that they've lost a fair amount of salary off their books going into 2010, wouldn't they sign him just for sport? Just because they can? I think they would.

[a700hitter]

If they miss out on Bay and Holliday, what about Damon or Matsui to play LF for the Sox?

[Spudboy]

If Bay signs quickly with a team that's more interested (say... Seattle, just for the purpose of this discussion) what prevents the Yankees from raining on the parade and getting Holliday?

 

Given how little salaries ultimately matter to the Yankees, and the fact that they've lost a fair amount of salary off their books going into 2010, wouldn't they sign him just for sport? Just because they can? I think they would.

 

Given this scenario, I would not be surprised if the Yankees sign Holliday. But I believe that they would sign him because they believe he will be an impact player for years to come. Especially since they have no current LF option and several of their elite performers are getting up there in age. I 'm sure Cashman and his cronies won't loose any sleep knowing that they have snagged a player that the Sox covet and actually need. But I don't believe that they would sign them to spite the sox. That's childish. And this is a very expensive business.

 

And I don't buy into the idea that Holliday can't hit in the Al and that he has not proven himself (as Bay supposedly has) in the AL East. He is an accomplished MLB hitter and at least a competent defensive player.

[TheKilo]

Gotta get Damon, he'd SUPERCHARGE the offense.