Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[The_Destroyah]

To be honest with you Im kind of agreeing with Jacko on this one I think Swisher is easily capable of having an even better season next year, he may not but I think its only a matter of time before the NYS syndrome starts kicking in, he might not but you never can tell, I think its real easy to underrate Swisher.

[Gom]

Jacko, Swisher hit like an MVP on the road. This year was an aberration. He'll probably hit better at home, and worse on the road.

 

Personally...I think his trade value is at an all-time high. I'd see what I can get for him.

[jacksonianmarch]

His trade value is definitely at an all-time high and I would definitely move him for the right price. The only problem is that he really is the only stable force in the OF right now in a FA market that has 2 impact guys and then a ton of crap. No tweeners in there to pick from.

[riverside sluggers]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594

 

Sox seriously interested in the oft-injured Rich Harden. Like last offseason, another signing that is "high risk/high reward". Couple reasons why I am wary about this is (1) of course his injury history, but also... In 26 starts in the National League, he pitched more than 6 innings just five of those 26 starts!!

 

Innings pitched in the Major Leagues

 

2003- 74.2 innings

2004- 189.2 innings

2005- 128 innings

2006- 46.2 innings

2007- 25.2 innings

2008- 148 innings

2009- 141 innings

[redsoxrules]

f***ing wonderfull, just f***ing sign Lackey or trade for Halladay , enough with signing pitchers comming off injuries

[Spudboy]

f***ing wonderfull' date=' just f***ing sign Lackey or trade for Halladay , enough with signing pitchers comming off injuries[/quote']

 

Theo has stated that he is inclined to sign the high risk/high reward type starting pitcher.

 

Way to go Theo. Let's have more Penny/Smoltz types.

 

Oye.

[bsox0407]

I would like to see the Sox sign Lackey, Hold onto to Buchholz and sign a SS and sign either Holliday or Bay. I think even though Buchholz is not as experienced as Halladay i think he will turn into something really good for the Sox this year. With Halladay my only concern is that after his injury he went 7-9 and before the injury he was 10-1. i know he plays for a suck team and all but it still raises my eyebrows a bit.

[Keeper]

With Halladay my only concern is that after his injury he went 7-9 and before the injury he was 10-1. i know he plays for a suck team and all but it still raises my eyebrows a bit.

 

He plays for the Blue Jays. Wins and losses generally don't mean much. But it's especially true if you play for the Blue Jays.

 

Besides, if you look at Halladay's splits from last year, August was his only bad month. And that was during all of the trade talk. If the injury bothered him so much, it certainly didn't show in September where his ERA was 1.47 and his WHIP was 1.04 or July when his ERA was 3.00 and his WHIP was 1.15.

 

No reason for concern.

[bsox0407]

He plays for the Blue Jays. Wins and losses generally don't mean much. But it's especially true if you play for the Blue Jays.

 

Besides, if you look at Halladay's splits from last year, August was his only bad month. And that was during all of the trade talk. If the injury bothered him so much, it certainly didn't show in September where his ERA was 1.47 and his WHIP was 1.04 or July when his ERA was 3.00 and his WHIP was 1.15.

 

No reason for concern.

 

I would still like to have Buchholz and the prospects. What is the max time we have him. 7-8 years if we resign him. he is 32 and when he is 35 is he going to be as dominate. if we don't have to give up buchholz and a lot of prospects i would take a chance.

[BSN07]

He is my pick for an even bigger 2010 and I am really glad we got him

 

Doubtful he has an even bigger 2010.

Listen man I'm not trying to be a dick, but for the love of God can you please start using the "quote" function for your post's. Maybe I'm just forgetting about some rule about newer users or something, but if you don't know about it, it's in the bottom right of everyone's post, it's better then just highlighting the sentence with bold letters.

 

The logic is there. Yankee stadium is a homerdome for lefties and he takes about 2/3 of his ABs from the left side. Yet he sucked there in what can be considered more of an aberration than anything else. THe same can be said for his insane split away from NY. My thinking is that his home split will increase more than his away split will drop' date=' meaning his OPS has room to go upward. Especially when you consider that he will still be hitting in the lower third of the order[/quote']

I agree for the most part. I believe Swisher will have a very good 2010 and should be kept around. I would imagine that his Home OPS would rise and his road OPS tom come back to Earth. But I agree if he managed to kepp the road OPS up and take advantage of Coors East, he would have monster numbers.

He plays for the Blue Jays. Wins and losses generally don't mean much. But it's especially true if you play for the Blue Jays.

 

Besides, if you look at Halladay's splits from last year, August was his only bad month. And that was during all of the trade talk. If the injury bothered him so much, it certainly didn't show in September where his ERA was 1.47 and his WHIP was 1.04 or July when his ERA was 3.00 and his WHIP was 1.15.

 

No reason for concern.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think Roy Halladay is the "panic" button move of the off season. I think Trading Buchholz for anyone not named Felix or Grienke at this point would be very ill advised.

I also believe the only way Roy goes to NY is if the Sox make a big splash some how. Something of like the sign Holliday and manage to trade for an upper tier talent, whether it be hitter or pitcher. It seems just the kind of move Hank-y poo would do to for a counter.

Besides that I see him heading to some NL team.

I'm still holding out for the Rockies getting their s*** together and realizing with him and a bat they could probably take the NL West.

[Gom]

I think the Yankees will end up with Halladay. Reason being...

 

The Yankees core has three years left. After three years, Jeter, Posada, Mo, Pettitte, and Arod will be retired or diminished, some probably severely.

 

Win now, and start replacing the players down the road and they can stay very competitive.

[ORS]

My thinking is that his home split will increase more than his away split will drop' date=' meaning his OPS has room to go upward.[/quote']

What, other than wishful thinking, supports this way of thinking? It isn't his career road split, which is an OPS of .818, and this includes the anomaly of last year. Be honest, if a Sox player performed well above his baseline in any way, you'd be banging the "career year" drum so hard your knuckles would bleed. I mean, did you feel the same way about Lowell coming off his excellent 2007? You were conceeding how good he would be in 2008, right?

 

Given the extreme park factors for the new YS, there's a good chance his overall total line is as good, but expecting improvement via maintaining his excellent road split is silly.

[BSN07]

I think the Yankees will end up with Halladay. Reason being...

 

The Yankees core has three years left. After three years, Jeter, Posada, Mo, Pettitte, and Arod will be retired or diminished, some probably severely.

 

Win now, and start replacing the players down the road and they can stay very competitive.

 

The Yankees are always in win now mode, no matter the core. With their ability to throw money around they honestly should never have to worry about the window closing.

[TheMino007]

If the Sox want Halladay, they can get him. The Yanks package, unless they offer both Hughes and Joba won't be as good as the Sox. The Jays will probably talk a lessor package to trade him out of the division. If the Jays trade him in divison, they want to hurt the Sox or Yankees farm sytstem for years to come if they trade for Halladay.

[BSN07]

If the Sox want Halladay' date=' they can get him. The Yanks package, unless they offer both Hughes and Joba won't be as good as the Sox. The Jays will probably talk a lessor package to trade him out of the division. If the Jays trade him in divison, they want to hurt the Sox or Yankees farm sytstem for years to come if they trade for Halladay.[/quote']

 

I think the Rockies could make a solid offer, something like

 

Aneury Rodriguez(RHP), Jhoulys Chacin(RHP), Dexter Fowler(OF). Maybe add Eric Young Jr.(2B-OF) to seal the deal. Or one of there Catching prospects, Rosario or McKenry.

[jacksonianmarch]

What, other than wishful thinking, supports this way of thinking? It isn't his career road split, which is an OPS of .818, and this includes the anomaly of last year. Be honest, if a Sox player performed well above his baseline in any way, you'd be banging the "career year" drum so hard your knuckles would bleed. I mean, did you feel the same way about Lowell coming off his excellent 2007? You were conceeding how good he would be in 2008, right?

 

Given the extreme park factors for the new YS, there's a good chance his overall total line is as good, but expecting improvement via maintaining his excellent road split is silly.

 

 

You dont read well do you.

 

Yet he sucked there in what can be considered more of an aberration than anything else. The same can be said for his insane split away from NY. My thinking is that his home split will increase more than his away split will drop' date=' meaning his OPS has room to go upward. Especially when you consider that he will still be hitting in the lower third of the order[/quote']

[ORS]

You dont read well do you.

I read perfectly fine, which is why I focussed on the following sentence. The fact that you regard that split as "insane" is immaterial when in the following sentence you state a belief that the insanity will continue, even if it's in a diminished capacity. But, hey, insanity seems to reside in the same zip code as most of your thoughts, so that might explain things.

[Gom]

I expect Swisher to have a worse season overall. f*** him.

[TheMino007]

I think the Rockies could make a solid offer, something like

 

Aneury Rodriguez(RHP), Jhoulys Chacin(RHP), Dexter Fowler(OF). Maybe add Eric Young Jr.(2B-OF) to seal the deal. Or one of there Catching prospects, Rosario or McKenry.

 

If he leaves the division that benefits the Sox because we don't need to match up against him X times a year when the Blue Jays come up on the schedule. As long as he doesn't go to the Yankees I'll be happy if he just leaves the AL East and doesn't get traded to the Sox. I still want the guy, but if goes out to the NL West and can't hurt us, thats fine too

[Gom]

This is starting to feel like Santana Part II. Same teams, same f***ing players...damn.

[BSN07]

The Boston Red Sox have expressed interest in Placido Polanco, according to MLB.com's Ian Browne. A source tells Browne that the Tigers' decision not to offer Polanco arbitration yesterday landed the second baseman on Boston's radar.

 

Thoughts?

[Dojji]

No.

 

Please. No.

[Dipre]

Orlando Hudson please.

[Dojji]

Agreed. Hudson would be a good call.

[BSN07]

Agreed. Hudson would be a good call.

 

I think I'm more for Hudson myself as well.

 

Can Lopez field 2B adequately? I know he can hit pretty good.

[BoSox21]

Seriously, have the Sox been linked to every FA out there? Is there even a point in mentioning names anymore?

[Dipre]

Seriously' date=' have the Sox been linked to every FA out there? Is there even a point in mentioning names anymore?[/quote']

 

You got anything else interesting to keep the board active?

[yankees228]

Only five more days my friends. At that point, hopefully there will be substantial news to discuss.

[example1]

I don't dislike the idea of Polanco, probably more than Hudson.

 

[Table] WAR (age) | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 |

POLANCO | 5.2 (29) | 1.2 (30) | 5.3 (31) | 3.1 (32) | 3.1 (33)

HUDSON | 2.2 (27) | 2.6 (28) | 3.3 (29) | 2.0 (30) | 2.9 (31) [/table]

 

They both have career .348 OBPs, and their OPS is similar (Hudson: .778; Polanco: .761).

 

Polanco is considerably better per-UZR/150 at 2B, both season-to-season, and career (10.0 vs. 2.7).

 

I guess I have a hard time understanding the anti-Polanco views here. Per-Fangraphs Polanco has been more valuable for at least the last 3 years (I stopped looking at 3), and Hudson has been the more expensive player $$-wise.

 

If the situation is such that Pedroia needs to move to SS, I would have little problem with Polanco batting 9th, especially if he wants to play in Boston and will sign a reasonable deal (2 years/$10m).

[Dipre]

I don't dislike the idea of Polanco, probably more than Hudson.

 

[Table] WAR (age) | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 |

POLANCO | 5.2 (29) | 1.2 (30) | 5.3 (31) | 3.1 (32) | 3.1 (33)

HUDSON | 2.2 (27) | 2.6 (28) | 3.3 (29) | 2.0 (30) | 2.9 (31) [/table]

 

They both have career .348 OBPs, and their OPS is similar (Hudson: .778; Polanco: .761).

 

Polanco is considerably better per-UZR/150 at 2B, both season-to-season, and career (10.0 vs. 2.7).

 

I guess I have a hard time understanding the anti-Polanco views here. Per-Fangraphs Polanco has been more valuable for at least the last 3 years (I stopped looking at 3), and Hudson has been the more expensive player $$-wise.

 

If the situation is such that Pedroia needs to move to SS, I would have little problem with Polanco batting 9th, especially if he wants to play in Boston and will sign a reasonable deal (2 years/$10m).

 

Maybe the fact that Polanco is two years older, and the fact that he's a 34-year-old coming from a sub-400 SLG season?

 

There is no "hate" it's just the fact that he's not that good anymore.