Theo wants Felix Hernandez

[Dojji]

The f***?

 

Well you're pretty left field, so excuse me for not taking everything you say with a grain of salt.

 

You've said weirder stuff.

 

I suppose. One would think it pretty obvious however that when a guy, even one known for a bit of occasional lunacy, wants to trade the entire roster of a contending team for one player there's a little hyperbole going on.

 

Ahh well.

[Dipre]

I suppose. One would think it pretty obvious however that when a guy, even one known for a bit of occasional lunacy, wants to trade the entire roster of a contending team for one player there's a little hyperbole going on.

 

Ahh well.

 

It's................you.

 

You were willing to give up the roster for Teahen.

[Dojji]

It's................you.

 

You were willing to give up the roster for Teahen.

 

The only time I made up a trade package for Teahen, I had him going to Boston for Felix Doubront.

[Dipre]

The only time I made up a trade package for Teahen' date=' I had him going to Boston for Felix Doubront.......and the rest of the Sox farm system.[/quote']

[Dojji]

Whatever. Not worth arguing about.

[Dipre]

Whatever. Not worth arguing about.

 

Doesn't smiley= joke or sarcasm?

 

Well, apparently the sarcasm/joke detection fail goes both ways.

[ManRam]

We may have to trade Clay.

 

Oh darn

 

I'm with most of you guys. Felix is the kind of guy you go out and trade for. I'm putting ANY prospect on the block and letting Seattle choose from 3/4/5 prospects and going from there. Having Hernandez and Lester at the start of the rotation (Wake will find a way to sneek in somehow) for the next 10 years is something special.

[a700hitter]

Oh darn

 

I'm with most of you guys. Felix is the kind of guy you go out and trade for. I'm putting ANY prospect on the block and letting Seattle choose from 3/4/5 prospects and going from there. Having Hernandez and Lester at the start of the rotation (Wake will find a way to sneek in somehow) for the next 10 years is something special.

Let's hope that Clay is still a prospect after this season. I hope he doesn't become Ian Kennedy.

[ManRam]

You thought the Jake Peavy deal was a surprise? The Red Sox, Mariners and Padres discussed a trade that would have made the Peavy acquisition look like the Jason Hirsh deal, according to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times. Baker hears that the Red Sox gave the Mariners the chance to choose five of the following players in exchange for Felix Hernandez:

 

* Clay Buchholz

* Daniel Bard

* Justin Masterson

* Nick Hagadone

* Michael Bowden

* Felix Doubront

* Josh Reddick

* Yamaico Navarro

 

The Mariners apparently turned down the deal, at which point the Padres became involved in discussions about a possible three-way trade. The Mariners would have received Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and prospects in the deal. They would have sent Felix to the Red Sox and dealt Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel to the Padres, who would have received prospects from the Red Sox as well. In the end, Baker says the Mariners nixed the deal.

[BSN07]

I won't - he has shown great promises - but not the consistency to be compared to Doc Halladay yet.

 

You thought the Jake Peavy deal was a surprise? The Red Sox, Mariners and Padres discussed a trade that would have made the Peavy acquisition look like the Jason Hirsh deal, according to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times. Baker hears that the Red Sox gave the Mariners the chance to choose five of the following players in exchange for Felix Hernandez:

 

* Clay Buchholz

* Daniel Bard

* Justin Masterson

* Nick Hagadone

* Michael Bowden

* Felix Doubront

* Josh Reddick

* Yamaico Navarro

 

The Mariners apparently turned down the deal, at which point the Padres became involved in discussions about a possible three-way trade. The Mariners would have received Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and prospects in the deal. They would have sent Felix to the Red Sox and dealt Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel to the Padres, who would have received prospects from the Red Sox as well. In the end, Baker says the Mariners nixed the deal.

 

Wow that would have been a blockbuster lol

 

 

I see something like,

 

Buchholz/ Bowden(Tazawa, Kelley)/ Wagner(Espositio)/Kalish(Westmoreland)/Anderson/

 

Maybe it doesn't happen. But I like the idea that Theo went after someone who isn't necessarily available. Will be interesting if he pushes for him this off season.

 

 

I don't think this kid is the heir to Beckett. I think Beckett gets inked to an extension this off season. If the Sox get Felix it will be ,

 

Beckett

Lester

Felix

 

for the next 5+ years. Which would have the Sox in contention every year IMO.

[TheKilo]

Kelly, Westmorland, and Tazawa won't be traded this offseason for a variety of reasons, and Bard should only be involved in talks for Felix or Gonzalez.

[BSN07]

Kelly' date=' Westmorland, and Tazawa won't be traded this offseason for a variety of reasons, and Bard should only be involved in talks for Felix or Gonzalez.[/quote']

 

I don't see Tazawa getting moved. But I can see Seattle really liking him. And for Felix, I think he would have to be made available. Even though he looks really good.

 

Buchholz/Bowden/Anderson/OF/C is a really good place to start at IMO.

 

Bard I don't see going. I think he eventually replaces Papelbon. Whether that's next year or the year after.

 

I know a lot of those guys were already offered and Seattle declined. But I don't think they make a move like this mid season. It is much more likely they make this kind of big move in the off season.

[Dojji]

I would trade Buchholz for a bent paperclip ATM. Try to deny it all you want, he's starting to have that Hansenlike feeling to him when you watch him pitch. One minute "damn that's nasty!" another minute "Damn that was stupid!"

[TheKilo]

So, Dojji, what do you think of Clay Buchholz? I really don't think you've beaten that horse enough yet.

[Dipre]

So' date=' Dojji, what do you think of Clay Buchholz? I really don't think you've beaten that horse enough yet.[/quote']

 

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[schillingouttheks]

Reminds me of that scene in Me, Myself, and Irene when he tries to put the cow out of its misery in so many damn ways because it just doesn't die.

[Dipre]

Reminds me of that scene in Me' date=' Myself, and Irene when he tries to put the cow out of its misery in so many damn ways because it just doesn't die.[/quote']

 

Jim Carrey is awesome.

 

On a side note, how about exploring that deal again in the offseason, except for the fact that we deal half the farm for Felix and Adrian Gonzales, make V-Tek the full-time back up, and have the following lineup:

 

Ells

Pedey

Youk

Gonzales

Martinez

Papi

Bay

Drew

Lowrie

 

Yikes!

 

With a rotaion of:

 

Beckett

Hernandez

Lester

Wakefield

Whoever's left of Tazawa/Bowden/Clay

[Spudboy]

Reminds me of that scene in Me' date=' Myself, and Irene when he tries to put the cow out of its misery in so many damn ways because it just doesn't die.[/quote']

 

That was gruesome.

 

Lots of good scenes in that movie.

 

"I thought you could read German!"

 

"I said I could speak the motherf***er, not read it!"

[BSN07]

Jim Carrey is awesome.

 

On a side note, how about exploring that deal again in the offseason, except for the fact that we deal half the farm for Felix and Adrian Gonzales, make V-Tek the full-time back up, and have the following lineup:

 

Ells

Pedey

Youk

Gonzales

Papi

Martinez

Bay

Drew

Lowrie

 

Yikes!

 

With a rotaion of:

 

Beckett

Hernandez

Lester

Wakefield

Whoever's left of Tazawa/Bowden/Clay

 

Yes please....drool.....

[Dojji]

Jim Carrey is awesome.

 

On a side note, how about exploring that deal again in the offseason, except for the fact that we deal half the farm for Felix and Adrian Gonzales, make V-Tek the full-time back up, and have the following lineup:

 

Ells

Pedey

Youk

Gonzales

Martinez

Papi

Bay

Drew

Lowrie

 

Yikes!

 

With a rotaion of:

 

Beckett

Hernandez

Lester

Wakefield

Whoever's left of Tazawa/Bowden/Clay

 

Pretty good (assiming you meant VMart instead of VTek) and I could go along with it, but since both King Felix and Gonzalez are low salary players I imagine we would sign a FA starter instead of trusting to the survivors of the purge.

 

I believe Erik Bedard is a FA. I'm not sure the M's will re-sign him, but if they don't, I wonder what the chances are of him signing cheap with us to redeem his value a la Brad Penny? We do have a reputation for helping injured pitchers stay healthy.

[BSN07]

Pretty good (assiming you meant VMart instead of VTek) and I could go along with it, but since both King Felix and Gonzalez are low salary players I imagine we would sign a FA starter instead of trusting to the survivors of the purge.

 

I believe Erik Bedard is a FA. I'm not sure the M's will re-sign him, but if they don't, I wonder what the chances are of him signing cheap with us to redeem his value a la Brad Penny? We do have a reputation for helping injured pitchers stay healthy.

 

I think they could bring back Tek next season if they wanted. Lowell isn't getting younger. Spelling him throughout the season will help his effectiveness. If he doesn't like it, tough titty. Ortiz could use some time off too. So there will still be plenty of AB's available for V-Mart. Keeping him in other positions to save his legs will be helpful too.

 

Bedard is a interesting proposition. It would seem to fit in the Sox yearly reclamation project. I doubt Seattle takes the chance to offer him arb for fear he might except it.

[TheKilo]

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

 

 

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[BSN07]

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:lol:

 

I hadn't seen that one before. That one is good.

[superdeluxe]

From Geoff Baker of the Seattle times:

 

 

 

I'm told the Red Sox apparently approached the Mariners and first tried to do a Hernandez trade with Seattle exclusively. Boston wanted Hernandez and gave the Mariners a list of eight prospects, from which Seattle would be allowed to pick any five.

 

They included:

 

RHP Clay Buchholz

RHP Daniel Bard

RHP Justin Masterson

LHP Nick Hagadone

RHP Michael Bowden

LHP Felix Doubront

OF Josh Reddick

SS Yamaico Navarro

 

Seattle turned that down. But that was just the warm-up act to the blockbuster proposal that followed.

 

When the Mariners rebuffed the Red Sox and it became clear the two sides could not get a deal done on their own, Boston GM Theo Epstein apparently got on the phone to his longtime close pal. San Diego Padres GM Kevin Towers.

 

It has since come out that Epstein and Towers were discussing a trade that would send home run slugger Adrian Gonzalez to Boston. But wait. Apparently, Epstein wants Hernandez more than anybody, even Gonzalez.

 

So, the three teams start discussing a possible three-way deal with Seattle that would send Gonzalez to the Mariners, along with Buchholz and a couple of other Red Sox prospects.

 

The Red Sox would get Hernandez.

 

And the Padres would get Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel from Seattle, along with a couple of other top Boston prospects.

 

A creative proposal, to say the least. And one that obviously would have blown away anything else at the July 31 deadline. Would have been the talk of future deadlines for years to come.

 

I tried to post a link, but I am too new I guess. Pretty interesting info, Lars Anderson was not on the list of prospects that the Sox was willing to give up apparently.

[BSN07]

You thought the Jake Peavy deal was a surprise? The Red Sox, Mariners and Padres discussed a trade that would have made the Peavy acquisition look like the Jason Hirsh deal, according to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times. Baker hears that the Red Sox gave the Mariners the chance to choose five of the following players in exchange for Felix Hernandez:

 

* Clay Buchholz

* Daniel Bard

* Justin Masterson

* Nick Hagadone

* Michael Bowden

* Felix Doubront

* Josh Reddick

* Yamaico Navarro

 

The Mariners apparently turned down the deal, at which point the Padres became involved in discussions about a possible three-way trade. The Mariners would have received Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and prospects in the deal. They would have sent Felix to the Red Sox and dealt Brandon Morrow, Phillippe Aumont and Carlos Triunfel to the Padres, who would have received prospects from the Red Sox as well. In the end, Baker says the Mariners nixed the deal.

 

From Geoff Baker of the Seattle times:

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to post a link, but I am too new I guess. Pretty interesting info, Lars Anderson was not on the list of prospects that the Sox was willing to give up apparently.

[superdeluxe]

 

oh sorry!

[SoxSport]

The Mariners should have made the first deal. They should have taken Bard, Buchholz, Bowden and Masterson. Plus somebody else on the list. I don't believe they nixed that deal. I doubt Epstein would have offered that much. Bard was off the table for obvious reasons.

 

That deal of VMart for Masterson was a steal for Epstein.

[BSN07]

The Mariners should have made the first deal. They should have taken Bard, Buchholz, Bowden and Masterson. Plus somebody else on the list. I don't believe they nixed that deal. I doubt Epstein would have offered that much. Bard was off the table for obvious reasons.

 

That deal of VMart for Masterson was a steal for Epstein.

 

Theo covets the King

[Dipre]

Theo covets the King

 

I'm telling you, Felix Hernandez was born to pitch on the Red Sox.

 

He will be in our starting rotation before 2011.

 

You read it here first, folks.

[BSN07]

I'm telling you, Felix Hernandez was born to pitch on the Red Sox.

 

He will be in our starting rotation before 2011.

 

You read it here first, folks.

 

I believe example came out with it first. But I agree with you. It might be the deal of the off season.