Theo wants Felix Hernandez

[Dipre]

Tazawa has been in AAA for what' date=' 5 starts now? He is your depth down the stretch run? Cmon now.[/quote']

 

So what, the Yankees have Roy Oswalt for depth?

 

Here's where your homerism f***s it up, man.

 

Pitching depth in baseball is, by definition, a pitcher who can give you league average or close to league average innings.

 

Do you think Tazawa and Bowden couldn't provide that?

[jacksonianmarch]

So what, the Yankees have Roy Oswalt for depth?

 

Here's where your homerism f***s it up, man.

 

Pitching depth in baseball is, by definition, a pitcher who can give you league average or close to league average innings.

 

Do you think Tazawa and Bowden couldn't provide that?

 

I think they could eventually. I actually think both will surpass MLB average eventually. That being said, your depth will be tested. If Penny, Buchholz, and Smoltz continue this charade, those guys will be in the majors for a stretch run. This is not like looking down at a 9th or 10th option here. And no, NY has no Oswalts for the stretch. But as of right now, there isnt a dire need to a pitcher to stem the tide since the O and the pitching have been good.

[SoxSport]

Forget about Halladay. Nobody was going to get him. Not the way Toronto was dangling him. They just weren't serious enough about trading him. Hernandez was also a pipe dream. Seattle didn't want to trade him.

 

The guy they could have gotten easily was Lee. Epstein blew it. His preference was for VMart. The priority should have been Lee. He was not going to get both. Cleveland preferred to deal them to separate teams. VMart was a great deal, and they need him for sure. But Lee was the short term need.

 

Epstein is gambling the season that Smoltz, Wake, Dice-K , Buchholz or Penny will emerge as the reliable no. 3 starter. Scratch Smoltz. Wake and Dice-K won't be available thru most of August. That leaves Penny or Buchholz. But the critical part of the schedule is now, and Theo seems to have missed that.

[Dipre]

I think they could eventually. I actually think both will surpass MLB average eventually. That being said' date=' your depth will be tested. If Penny, Buchholz, and Smoltz continue this charade, those guys will be in the majors for a stretch run. This is not like looking down at a 9th or 10th option here. And no, NY has no Oswalts for the stretch. But as of right now, there isnt a dire need to a pitcher to stem the tide since the O and the pitching have been good.[/quote']

 

Yeah, because your crystal ball predicted that, today, Dice-K and Wakefield would both be on the DL.

 

Your trying to make a pretty ridiculous point man.

 

Rotation:

 

Beckett

Lester

Dice-K

Wakefield

Penny

 

Depth:

 

Smoltz, Bucholz. Bowden Tazawa.

 

This is how it should've been.

 

Injuries derailed that, but it's not like the Yankees aren't one injury away from s***ing the bed.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah, because your crystal ball predicted that, today, Dice-K and Wakefield would both be on the DL.

 

Your trying to make a pretty ridiculous point man.

 

Rotation:

 

Beckett

Lester

Dice-K

Wakefield

Penny

 

Depth:

 

Smoltz, Bucholz. Bowden Tazawa.

 

This is how it should've been.

 

Injuries derailed that, but it's not like the Yankees aren't one injury away from s***ing the bed.

 

 

Both team's depth has been challenged. But, at this time, the yankees arent about to dip back into the very back of their depth. The sox, in all likelihood, will.

[Dipre]

Both team's depth has been challenged. But' date=' at this time, the yankees arent about to dip back into the very back of their depth. The sox, in all likelihood, will.[/quote']

 

You have Sergio Mitre in your starting rotation.

[jacksonianmarch]

You have Sergio Mitre in your starting rotation.

 

As the #5 starter, a guy we can theoretically skip a lot. If they are willing to move the rotation around when the #5 slot comes around, then Mitre or whomever is in the #5 slot will only pitch 8 more times this yr. Also, I highly doubt Mitre is in the rotation come next week. I bet Gaudin will be there, a guy whose FIP is pretty good and someone who I think can give us 5IP and 3-4ER on a regular basis unlike Mitre.

[Dipre]

As the #5 starter' date=' a guy we can theoretically skip a lot. If they are willing to move the rotation around when the #5 slot comes around, then Mitre or whomever is in the #5 slot will only pitch 8 more times this yr. Also, I highly doubt Mitre is in the rotation come next week. I bet Gaudin will be there, a guy whose FIP is pretty good and someone who I think can give us 5IP and 3-4ER on a regular basis unlike Mitre.[/quote']

 

Lol Gaudin.

 

This argument is about over.

 

Your homerism has taken over.

[jacksonianmarch]

so you are guaranteeing me that Bowden or Buchholz would be better than Chad Gaudin THIS yr. You are guaranteeing me this with the above post. Gaudin is terrible. He is awful. But I do think he can give us 5IP 3-4ER performances consistently. I am asking for 5 inning per start and an ERA between 5.4 and 7.2. That isnt too much to ask for IMO.

[Dipre]

so you are guaranteeing me that Bowden or Buchholz would be better than Chad Gaudin THIS yr. You are guaranteeing me this with the above post. Gaudin is terrible. He is awful. But I do think he can give us 5IP 3-4ER performances consistently. I am asking for 5 inning per start and an ERA between 5.4 and 7.2. That isnt too much to ask for IMO.

 

Yes, yes i do.

 

Because Chad Gaudin sucks ass.

 

And of course you're using FIP, he pitched in San Diego for Christ's sakes.

 

That'll help your HR rate.

 

Let's see that translate to Coors east.

[yankees228]

I think they could eventually. I actually think both will surpass MLB average eventually. That being said' date=' your depth will be tested. If Penny, Buchholz, and Smoltz continue this charade, those guys will be in the majors for a stretch run. This is not like looking down at a 9th or 10th option here. And no, NY has no Oswalts for the stretch. But as of right now, there isnt a dire need to a pitcher to stem the tide since the O and the pitching have been good.[/quote']

 

You're honestly not worried about the Yankees rotation?

[Dipre]

You're honestly not worried about the Yankees rotation?

 

Of course he's not.

[BSN07]

The Yankees are one injury away from being a train wreck.

[ManRam]

The Yankees are one injury away from being a train wreck.

 

Not anymore. They bolstered their rotation with ace in the making, Chad Gaudin

[TheKilo]

I think it's hilarious that Dojji thinks Cliff Lee wouldn't be an upgrade to this rotation.

[SCM33]

Chad Gaudin is an upgrade.

[Dipre]

I think it's hilarious that Dojji thinks Cliff Lee wouldn't be an upgrade to this rotation.

 

Of course he doesn't.

 

In his world, Hunter Strickland would be an upgrade though.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're honestly not worried about the Yankees rotation?

 

Right now I am not. We have 4 solid starters. That being said, if the Joba scaleback takes effect, then I will be cause that means Joba would be the one throwing only 8 more times and Mitre or Gaudin would start 11-12 more times.

[Dojji]

I think it's hilarious that Dojji thinks Cliff Lee wouldn't be an upgrade to this rotation.

 

That's not what I said. I said I don't think he's a good fit in the AL East and especially not in Fenway Park.

[Dipre]

That's not what I said. I said I don't think he's a good fit in the AL East and especially not in Fenway Park.

 

Again, why not?

[jacksonianmarch]

BEECUZ HEEZ A SAWFFT TAWSSIN LEFFTIE!!

[Dojji]

A lefty who gives up a lot of quality contact (witnessed by his career h/9, echoed by this season's version). Put a guy like that in a park with the Monster and he's going to give up more doubles and HR's that might be singles in other parks. He might be fine, but it does add an additional element of risk to going after Cliff Lee. He's probably better off where he is.

 

That besides the fact that most of his value is based on a singgle good year.

[Dipre]

A lefty who gives up a lot of quality contact (witnessed by his career h/9' date=' echoed by this season's version). Put a guy like that in a park with the Monster and he's going to give up more doubles and HR's that might be singles in other parks. He might be fine, but it does add an additional element of risk to going after Cliff Lee. He's probably better off where he is.[/quote']

 

Would he or would he not make the Sox rotation better?

[Dojji]

Would he or would he not make the Sox rotation better?

 

that is not the only consideration and you know it.

 

the real question is, would he make the Sox rotation, and future rotations, sufficiently better than they were before to justify the price paid. I don't believe so, or at least I think the answer is not clear.

 

Everyone wanted Lee mostly because he was a politically acceptable alternative to Halladay and they wanted to see a big move made.

[Dipre]

that is not the only consideration and you know it.

 

the real question is, would he make the Sox rotation, and future rotations, sufficiently better than they were before to justify the price paid. I don't believe so, or at least I think the answer is not clear.

 

Everyone wanted Lee mostly because he was a politically acceptable alternative to Halladay and they wanted to see a big move made.

 

You don't believe so, because you don't know what you're talking about, and i'm going to prove it to you.

 

You say he's a flyball pitcher who is not a fit for Fenway:

 

I say his 43.1 GB % and his 5.4 HR/FB % say otherwise, and for all accounts, Jacobs field is a hitters park, in case you didn't know.

 

You might argue he's a defense-dependent pitcher:

 

His 3.09 FIP says otherwise.

 

You might say both this season and last season were flukes:

 

His .319 and .305 2008 and 2009 BABIP suggest otherwise, his control (1.37 and 1.93 BB/9 respectively) is also pretty good.

 

You're starting to turn this into another Teixeira.

 

Lee is an excellent pitcher who would have solidified this rotation, and it's as clear as day.

 

So plz plz plz plz plz save yourself the embarrassment and stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

[jacksonianmarch]

You don't believe so, because you don't know what you're talking about, and i'm going to prove it to you.

 

You say he's a flyball pitcher who is not a fit for Fenway:

 

I say his 43.1 GB % and his 5.4 HR/FB % say otherwise, and for all accounts, Jacobs field is a hitters park, in case you didn't know.

 

You might argue he's a defense-dependent pitcher:

 

His 3.09 FIP says otherwise.

 

You might say both this season and last season were flukes:

 

His .319 and .305 2008 and 2009 BABIP suggest otherwise, his control (1.37 and 1.93 BB/9 respectively) is also pretty good.

 

You're starting to turn this into another Teixeira.

 

Lee is an excellent pitcher who would have solidified this rotation, and it's as clear as day.

 

So plz plz plz plz plz save yourself the embarrassment and stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

Impressive post there counselor

[Dipre]

Impressive post there counselor

 

Glad you could put our differences aside and recognize excellence.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is nothing to dispute. Evidence used. Well thought out. Solid post. Any post that leaves someone with no recourse but to agree with you is a good post. That being said, I have a feeling Dojji will try something. But you shot him down pretty heavily.

[a700hitter]

Everyone wanted Lee mostly because he was a politically acceptable alternative to Halladay and they wanted to see a big move made.

We wanted him because he is damn good and we need pitching.

[Dipre]

There is nothing to dispute. Evidence used. Well thought out. Solid post. Any post that leaves someone with no recourse but to agree with you is a good post. That being said' date=' I have a feeling Dojji will try something. But you shot him down pretty heavily.[/quote']

 

He might try to use Lee's 2007 against him.

 

But the fact is, in 2007 what Lee struggled with was control, they sent him down to work on his release point, and voila.

 

This should be a lesson to how important pitching mechanics are to a pitcher.