ARod tested positive

[JimEdHOF2009]

Liek I said' date=' he's got more credibility than most guys right now...he's still a tool, but he's been on the money so far.[/quote']

 

Not to mention a f***ing cowardly rat-f*** who started telling all AFTER he was out of baseball.. Canseco is a low-class piece of s***.. But, as far as the Steroid thing goes..he has been pretty damn accurate.

 

A-rod is a f***ing disgrace. I saw the interview..yeah he's sorry..sorry he got fingered. He would have NEVER said a thing had this not been leaked. 26to6..are you serious?? The pressure cooker of Texas? Arod's EGO made him use steroids. He was already talented enough to be one of the best, but to guarantee he would be the BEST of All-Time, he decided to cheat rather than let his talent make the comparisons to Ruth, Williams, Aaron, and Mays. A-rod is a piece of s*** and he deserves everything he will get.. I give A-rod NO credit whatsoever for coming clean after he has been caught! Come clean before it comes out and you save some face. He is just being a puppet.... full of cliche' and tardy contrition...like he always has been.

 

Having met A-rod and talked to people who have played with and coached him, A-rod has a personality disorder that is in essence..he doesn't know who he is or where he fits in. He has tried to kiss Jeter's ass and get him to hang with him...but he tries too hard and it backfires. He always tries too hard to say the correct thing or tow the company line.. Jeter and others would just like him to be himself and stop trying to create a persona that he "thinks" will make people like him. Deep down..I don't think anyone thinks A-rod is a bad guy... but when he says things like "It was the culture of the time...and I was under such pressure in Texas" it makes me want to punch him in the mouth.. Be a f***ing man...admit you f***ed up...say you are sorry you f***ing lied....and move the f*** on.. Shove the excuses up your ass A-Fraud.. You will NEVER live this down...NEVER.

[rician blast]

What does he have to gain by saying he doesn't know exactly what they were when we already know what he tested positive for?

 

edit: That's actually a legitimate question I have.

 

a valid question. I suspect that comment was an effort to illustrate how new he was to all of this, how naive he was and how he simply got caught up in the culture. Problem is he WAS the culture, or became it, he and everyone else who did it.

[Dipre]

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And they usually meddle in other people's affairs.

[Dipre]

And as much as we all hate to hear this, the law was actually broken by revealing A-Rod's name from classified files that had been kept secret under a binding agreement.

 

Some people here say that A-Rod got f***ed over because he decided to play for Dominican in the WBC, although in my mind that's bull, it does open my mind to the thought that there seems to be quite a vendetta against A-Rod by the media.......wonder why that is.........

[TheKilo]

And as much as we all hate to hear this, the law was actually broken by revealing A-Rod's name from classified files that had been kept secret under a binding agreement.

Some people here say that A-Rod got f***ed over because he decided to play for Dominican in the WBC, although in my mind that's bull, it does open my mind to the thought that there seems to be quite a vendetta against A-Rod by the media.......wonder why that is.........

 

That would hold some weight if it wasn't the head of his union keeping the samples and trying to manipulate the results to avoid testing.

[JimEdHOF2009]

If A-rod is on that list... wouldn't surprise me at all to see Manny and Ortiz on it as well. If they are going to hang A-rod out to dry..they better come clean and name everyone. If Ortiz or any other Sox did...they should use this time-frame to come out.. If they come out now, they can at least have the dignity of doing it on their own terms before the inevitable happens and all names are released.

[example1]

If Ortiz or any other Sox did...they should use this time-frame to come out.. If they come out now' date=' they can at least have the dignity of doing it on their own terms before the inevitable happens and all names are released.[/quote']

 

Yeah, my guess is that those players want to wait to be part of a "flood" of players to come out. A day when Manny, Ortiz, Hafner, Pujols, Cabrera, etc., all come out would provide them cover, but none of them are going to just do it when they think their buddies are behind them.

 

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[ARod2212]

Yeah, my guess is that those players want to wait to be part of a "flood" of players to come out. A day when Manny, Ortiz, Hafner, Pujols, Cabrera, etc., all come out would provide them cover, but none of them are going to just do it when they think their buddies are behind them.

 

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hahahahaha. Thanks for that.

 

 

 

Go to baseball-reference.com and see which guys hit more than 40 homeruns from 1990-Present. Odds are 90% of those guys took steroids. Probably at minimum.

[Keeper]

I think 90% is too high. My guestimate would be somewhere between 60% and 75%.

[BSN07]

And if I didnt have something to fall back on in terms of medicine' date=' I would have roided my balls off. It was easy to get. I was a pretty big guy in college. I got scouted pretty heavily after my junior season in college. If I roided in the offseason and came out hitting more moonshots, I would have had a shot. And I would have continued roiding, no doubt. The fact is, the majority of minor league and major league athletes dont have much to fall back on. If you dont make the bigs you dont have a name for yourself and all the time spent in the minors was wasted. You go from having a shot at being a household name to being a guy with nothing. Its an easy choice. ARod wasnt that guy, I know. He was a premier talent and he didnt have to do this. But he did and I dont blame him. He got the two richest contracts in baseball and the roids helped. If you could have the chance at making 550 million dollars, would you roid? I sure would.[/quote']

Speaking the truth! s*** I consider doing a cycle just to get cut LOL But ya, 550M seems like a pretty good incentive.

Speculation on WFAN this afternoon that it could have been Bonds's lawyers who leaked ARod's name, and it makes some sense.

 

ARod is chasing who in the HR chase?

 

Who is the one guy who, deserving or not, has gotten the most negative press when it comes to steroids and probably feels he's gotten an unfair rap?

 

Who's legal team got lots of evidence dismissed from court last week, some of which could be this list of 104 names?

 

Not saying they did it but it could be a place to start.

I can see this being true. It was a little to convenient.

The jist I got out of the interview was that he knew it was roids' date=' but he[b'] didnt[/b] know which kind they were. Thats fair. If someone handed me a syringe of winstril I wouldnt know what it was either, and I'm a doctor.

 

Please, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing. He may not be able to to the difference between it and a vitamin B shot, but I'm sure whoever was injecting him, told him what it was. If he really doesn't know what he tested positive for, he was taking multiple substances, and doesn't know which one triggered the positive test.

[rician blast]

I'd love to see someone come out now and say "I'm on the list of 104 players who tested positive in 2003. Here's what I used...and I did it because a lot of other guys were doing it, felt like I needed the edge to keep up statistically and financially." That comes a lot closer to truly coming clean.

 

IMO, it's natural human emotion to be competetive, be jealous, want to be adored, etc. Combine that with the financial incentive of using...and the fact that other guys who may or may not be your equal are using, and are thus garnering the adulation and $$$ you crave and you have the recipe for epidemic PED use. THAT IS THE TRUTH and I'd find it refreshing if someone would say this.

[italstallianion]

I'm personally surprised that only 104 players tested positive...now that I think about it...

[a700hitter]

I'm personally surprised that only 104 players tested positive...now that I think about it...

It was random testing. I don't think everyone got tested, so there were probably lots more. Percentage-wise, I think that the users were probably in the minority. Even with the big money at stake, I think some guys had to be smart enough to have health concerns.

[italstallianion]

I know that the 104 players represented about 8.7% (this I remember from someone's post) of the total users tested, so simple math could indicate around how many players were tested. I'd like to see what the % has been over the past few years.

[rician blast]

I'm personally surprised that only 104 players tested positive...now that I think about it...

 

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Now there have been some allegations that the union worked very hard to turn some results into "false positives" and given some of the accusations that Orza tipped off players in 2004, I wouldn't put it past the union to have somehow manipulated results in the survey as well.

 

Now, can you imagine if the result was 4%? And there was no testing policy implemented in MLB? It'd have meant guys were free to use as they saw fit, and fkn Craig Counsell would have hit 30 HRs!

[rician blast]

With regards to other sports, I think:

 

Football has a huge amount of PED use (guys do NOT develop those physiques without help...no matter how much tuna fish they're eating).

 

Tennis has some individuals using stuff...not necessarily bulking agents but stuff for recovery and stamina, a la cyclers

 

AND:

 

Come to think of it...I wonder if Tiger Woods juices? Yeah, I f***in' said it, tell yer friends.

[BoSox21]

Don't you think other golfers trying to catch up to Tiger would be the users? Maybe guys like Sergio Garcia, not necessarily Phil Mickelson who seems to be only on buffalo wings

[rician blast]

Don't you think other golfers trying to catch up to Tiger would be the users? Maybe guys like Sergio Garcia' date=' not necessarily Phil Mickelson who seems to be only on buffalo wings[/quote']

 

 

Yes I see that as a real possibility. The stuff works, that much is obvious.

[Keeper]

Lance Berkman speaks out on the issue.

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/6255172.html

[26 to 6]

Jose Canseco has said on multiple occasions ARod has used steroids since high school, and he hasn't been wrong on this topic yet.

 

FWIW.

I never heard him say he used since High School, but if he did say that I would believe it.

 

Well first, I'm not stupid, I think that's pretty obvious. Perhaps we're getting caught up here in your definition of "pressured into it." Now I have clearly stated that I believe he did it to keep up with the other juicers, particularly since he wasn't going to let guys like Burks and Bichette and such out-slugg him..similar to what Example 1 stated about Bonds...but your earlier comments seemed to say he "gave in to pressure" as if it were out of his control...he very concsiously made the decision to use. I think we're both in agreement there.

You certainly aren't stupid. And yes we are both in agreement that he made a conscious decision to use. Absolutely. I can see the pressure of that contract getting to him and him feeling the need (it wasn't really a need, he could have been a top player without them) to use to "Keep up with the Jones's." Like I said that doesn't justify or make it right, but that was the mind-set of many of the players who used. I do believe that his use began in 2001, and not when he was in Seattle. many disagree, and I don't blame them. But just by looking closely at pictures I do believe that. Whether it ended in Texas as well, like he stated, who knows. I know that since a testing policy was first put in place in 2004 he has not failed a drug test, and he has slimmed down a little bit from the monster he was in texas. Is it possible he's been using HGH or some other hard to detect substance since being with the Yankees, yes. but it's not fair to speculate. I really think he may have felt guilty and may have stopped altogether. Maybe. Maybe not.

 

I too want to see the other names, it is unfair to expose only one player.

 

Oh, by the way, his admission is sort of an idiotic denial, it takes him 45 seconds to answer the question of whether he used banned substances, and he only says he did AFTER saying:

 

There was tremendous pressure on him (excuse 1)

The culture was different (excuse 2)

He was stupid and naive (excuse 3)

 

I don't like false excuses...man the f*** up, you purple lipped pussy. Admit you did it because everyone else was. Help baseball really "come clean" or at least cleaner.

 

BTW, still I don't blame him for doing it!

I agree, I want to see the rest of the names as well. And I think after seeing the interview 7389429 times that it was a weak job by him. he took the right approach and came otu about it, but there were tons of holes in what he said and he tip-toed around the issue completely. He bullshitted Peter Gammons the whole time. But I expected that from a guy as conscious of his image and the media as him. I wish he would just be honest too, but I'm sure the union and his lawyers advised him to respond how he did.

 

He was in a big league clubhouse...amid the PED CULTURE that he "gave in to" and he didn't know what was being injected into his own body? And people are buying this line of crap. I don't get it

Absolutely. That GNC over the counter ******** is a load of crap. He is very conscious of what he puts into his body, as he even said in the interview (the same interview in which eh said he didn't know what he used). There is no way he didn't know what he was using. He absolutely did.

[Paradisecity]

Why don't these athletes (and other public figures) get that bringing yourself down through brutal honesty about your mistakes is the best way to build yourself back up in the eye of the average, somewhat intelligent person?

[BSN07]

I'm personally surprised that only 104 players tested positive...now that I think about it...

 

Well the 500+ samples that tested negative are going to be re-tested by the Gov't with tests that cover a wider variety of PEDS. A lot more could now test positive then before.

[BSN07]

With regards to other sports, I think:

 

Football has a huge amount of PED use (guys do NOT develop those physiques without help...no matter how much tuna fish they're eating).

 

Tennis has some individuals using stuff...not necessarily bulking agents but stuff for recovery and stamina, a la cyclers

 

AND:

 

Come to think of it...I wonder if Tiger Woods juices? Yeah, I f***in' said it, tell yer friends.

 

In any other sport it's almost a non issue, but if a Baseball player tests positive it's a crime against the sport. I say screw it, MLB should have it's own supplement/PED program, let all the other sports do it, and get the best physical specimens, for the best possible on field performance and sit back and enjoy:lol:

[rician blast]

Absolutely. That GNC over the counter ******** is a load of crap. He is very conscious of what he puts into his body, as he even said in the interview (the same interview in which eh said he didn't know what he used). There is no way he didn't know what he was using. He absolutely did.

 

Agreed, the admission really is an insult to our collective intelligence.

 

Has Anyone listened to WFAN? Mike Francesca is killing him and he's right..this was a huge opportunity for ARod to come clean and not make any excuses but he peppered his statement with comments that are very hard to believe. He did himself, MLB and the fans a tremendous disservice and it all goes to show that these guys can't get beyond their own pathetic shortcomings. Even Pettitte has largely been forgiven despite that he told half-truths each time he was pressed a little bit more.

 

PC you are right, the absolute best thing to do is spill it and make no excuses, leave no holes in your statements, etc. but these guys are dreadfully unable to see that.

[Paradisecity]

Seriously though? Its like, doesn't SOMEONE understand how PR works in his camp? Or any of these other guys for that matter?

 

Ever see the movie Clear and Present Danger? The President has close ties to a domestic drug lord, and Harrison Ford's advice on commenting on the issue is to give the reporters nowhere to go. If they ask if you were friends, say no we were best friends. If they ask if you were best friends say no we were life long friends.

 

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

 

Or better yet, DON'T APOLOGIZE. Admit you did it, say you aren't sorry (because you probably aren't), explain yourself and where you stand on the issue, and move on.

[Optimist]

I'm nearly done with this sport. Everytime you think the game is moving past steroids, a new and sad chapter begins.

 

I hope that all the names are published very soon.

[rician blast]

I'm nearly done with this sport. Everytime you think the game is moving past steroids, a new and sad chapter begins.

 

You need to change your forum name to "Realist"

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm nearly done with this sport. Everytime you think the game is moving past steroids, a new and sad chapter begins.

 

I hope that all the names are published very soon.

 

To be fair, it didn't just begin. This was 6 years ago.

[rician blast]

I don't think he implied that it had just begun...he stated that he had seen enough.

[RedSoxRooter]

Well the 500+ samples that tested negative are going to be re-tested by the Gov't with tests that cover a wider variety of PEDS. A lot more could now test positive then before.

 

Nice! Where'd you hear that? And does that mean that of the 1200 tested, 500 were negative, 100 were positive and the other 600 were false/positive? Those numbers would actually add up for me percentage-wise.

 

Jeez. It just occured to me (duh) that the Goverment actually has urine tests of every major league player from the height of the steriod era. Wow.