Yankees still in the Tex and Manny sweeps

[Cocos Disciples]

true neil diamond wrote it

 

 

but it was on a marley release in 92

 

http://www.google.com/musicl?lid=DW_Z4iYPvxC&aid=VYlBFCeKFtJ

 

but neither has anything to do with my point

 

 

which must have some merit

 

you all seem pretty familiar with the song ;-)

 

That CD isn't by Bob Marley, it's a tribute (it came out 11 years after he died).

[Paradisecity]

the only stories I have read were about the yanks seeking and getting tax free bonds

 

all legal and quite normal

 

 

 

 

Legal, yes. Risky? A year ago, people would have laughed at that word. Still now, most don't think so. Personally? I think there's about a 10% chance that the city won't get those dollars back. Further, you should take a look at the federal funds rate and infer what you can from it. I'll leave that to you.

 

More importantly, though, at this juncture it is arrogant and despicable that an organization would build such an monstrosity when, really, they didn't need to, then overspend by millions to acquire what some see as risky acquisitions only to ask for cash to finance 20% of the entire project.

 

Normal? Again- a year ago? Most would say sure, the really saavy would say don't. As of two months ago? This idea is close to unbelievable.

 

This is why when someone like the Florida GM speaks up (albeit somewhat improperly) about the manner in which the Yankees are spending, it holds enough water to be taken seriously.

 

 

Perhaps instead of trying to explain how the Yankees are attaining this money, you should start questioning the importance of the state of New York having 200M more in their budget for transportation, schools, and hospitals, particularly when the United States is going through the largest capital crisis incurred since the 70's (and in my opinion not even close to rock bottom).

 

Cities and states are slashing funding across the board. They are doing this because of a capital shortfall - of which I hope you are well aware. These bonds you speak of are the backbone of developments that provide our basic necessities. If I lived in New York I would be livid about this. It pisses me off to see this living hundreds of miles away, understanding the effect on a macro level. Knowing that the majority on the bonds funding this stadium are actually financed by national taxpayers is even worse. If you don't get it then I'm sorry for you, but trust me- I understand exactly what this means.

[26 to 6]

Why would you question whether or not I know if the system works?

 

I work for a company that provides financial metrics and market color to securities lending borrowers, agents, and lenders so that they can understand where the assets they are borrowing are going, what their return shall be as a result, and how safe they are in doing so. I understand quite well what asking for 200M in funding entails and requires a city to do.

 

I also understand that in a time where lenders are tightening credit to the point where you'd have to s*** diamonds to get some, this is not a drop in the bucket. When a team has just spent a quarter of a BILLION dollars on two players, asking the taxpayers to fund 200M for a state of the art stadium is ridiculous and borderline insane, particularly when that stadium will provide little to no extra "value" to that particular city over the previous digs.

 

Do YOU know "how the system works" ???

$200 Million in taxpayer dollars

 

It's really not that big a deal. This was all agreed upon prior to breaking ground on the new stadium. Because the Yankees were privately financing it the city agreed to contribute for improving infrastructure in the area in and around the stadium. They still need to do some work with the Subway platforms and build the Metro-north station (I don't even know if they've started it. Hopefully it's done in time for the start of the season). While we don't quite know where the tax dollars are being used, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. And the Steinbrenner's are still spending a large fortune on this ballpark. SO ENOUGH WITHE THE TAX DEBATE

[Paradisecity]

First- How much the Steinbrenners are contributing to this project is irrelevant.

 

Second- if it DID matter, the rest of the dollars for this stadium have also been raised on taxpayer dollars, both locally and nationally. As of June they had already hit the IRS' cap for public debt in funding a stadium:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/12/2008-06-12_new_york_state_assembly_questions_yankee.html

 

Steinbrenners aren't fronting this. We are.

 

And if somebody asks me if I understand how something works (and misquotes some song that was written, ironically, by the same man who wrote our 7th inning stretch number) I'm going to respond. Get over it. Or, just get your facts right next time so that at least when you are trying to be a prick you can be a correct one.

[CrespoBlows]

$200 Million in taxpayer dollars

 

It's really not that big a deal. This was all agreed upon prior to breaking ground on the new stadium. Because the Yankees were privately financing it the city agreed to contribute for improving infrastructure in the area in and around the stadium. They still need to do some work with the Subway platforms and build the Metro-north station (I don't even know if they've started it. Hopefully it's done in time for the start of the season). While we don't quite know where the tax dollars are being used, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. And the Steinbrenner's are still spending a large fortune on this ballpark. SO ENOUGH WITHE THE TAX DEBATE

 

What you are posting is not true. You are lying to cover up the fact that your owner has fleeced the city of over $1.5 billion dollars.

 

Wow. I can't believe someone who subscribes to the philosophy of Ron Paul would actually lap up this ******** being spewed by Steinbrenner.

 

What a f***ing tool.

[Gom]

26...even though you and I are both Yankee fans, you're way off base here. The fact that Jacko agrees with your assessment of finances should have been the first indicator of how wrong you are.

 

The Stadium deal is a bonanza for the Yankees. It is a terrible deal for the city. Stadiums usually are. There has yet to be one stadium deal that benefits the taxpayers. The poor fund the rich. It's always been this way.

 

The fact is...Steinbrenner SHOULD pay a fortune. No one is forcing him to. He's doing it to maximize his profits. However, using public funds seems to be common-place. Any fans that believe it's good for them is ridiculous. Personally...I don't care. I don't live in the city, so it doesn't affect me in any significant way.

 

The truth is, stadium deals are sweetheart deals...for the owners. Don't kid yourself.

[pinstripezac]

Originally Posted by pinstripezac

 

the only stories I have read were about the yanks seeking and getting tax free bonds

 

all legal and quite normal

 

 

 

Paradisecity; '' Legal, yes. Risky? A year ago, people would have laughed at that word. Still now, most don't think so. Personally? I think there's about a 10% chance that the city won't get those dollars back. Further, you should take a look at the federal funds rate and infer what you can from it. I'll leave that to you.

 

More importantly, though, at this juncture it is arrogant and despicable that an organization would build such an monstrosity when, really, they didn't need to, then overspend by millions to acquire what some see as risky acquisitions only to ask for cash to finance 20% of the entire project.

 

Normal? Again- a year ago? Most would say sure, the really saavy would say don't. As of two months ago? This idea is close to unbelievable.

 

 

 

other than your failure to acknowledge

 

this horse left the barn way before

 

the economy took a dive

 

your points have merit

 

but like you agreed it's legal and some what normal

 

I refer you to Gom's post

 

even though I have no idea why he called me a jacko

 

 

posted by gom

 

The fact that Jacko agrees with your assessment of finances should have been the first indicator of how wrong you are.

 

The Stadium deal is a bonanza for the Yankees. It is a terrible deal for the city. Stadiums usually are. There has yet to be one stadium deal that benefits the taxpayers. The poor fund the rich. It's always been this way.

 

The truth is, stadium deals are sweetheart deals...for the owners. Don't kid yourself.

 

 

 

he's right if it's not a sweet deal for the owner,

 

the owner finds a town where it will be

 

no different than the pats

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii262/pinstripezac/AADE-1.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paradisecity '' Perhaps instead of trying to explain how the Yankees are attaining this money, you should start questioning the importance of the state of New York

 

 

 

perhaps ? before I file your concerns about '' the people ''

 

in the file marked '' more red whine ''

 

you should tell me how upset you were when

 

the sox were getting tax free bonds

 

for the renovations they made ?

 

or when some small town in fla built them a spring training site all with tax payer money

[26 to 6]

26...even though you and I are both Yankee fans, you're way off base here. The fact that Jacko agrees with your assessment of finances should have been the first indicator of how wrong you are.

 

The Stadium deal is a bonanza for the Yankees. It is a terrible deal for the city. Stadiums usually are. There has yet to be one stadium deal that benefits the taxpayers. The poor fund the rich. It's always been this way.

 

The fact is...Steinbrenner SHOULD pay a fortune. No one is forcing him to. He's doing it to maximize his profits. However, using public funds seems to be common-place. Any fans that believe it's good for them is ridiculous. Personally...I don't care. I don't live in the city, so it doesn't affect me in any significant way.

 

The truth is, stadium deals are sweetheart deals...for the owners. Don't kid yourself.

You guys have me wrong here, I never said it was good, I never said I agree with it. all I said is that in this day in age taxpayers fund most, if not all new Stadiums in some capacity. Frankly there are less tax dollars building this Stadium than almost any other new Stadium in recent memory.

 

What you are posting is not true. You are lying to cover up the fact that your owner has fleeced the city of over $1.5 billion dollars.

I'm not lying to cover up s***, I'm just posting facts to the extent that I know them. And where the f*** do you get $1.5 Billion from? First, the Stadium is only costing $1.3 Billion, and the Steinbrenner family is paying for most of it.

 

And if somebody asks me if I understand how something works (and misquotes some song that was written' date=' ironically, by the same man who wrote our 7th inning stretch number) I'm going to respond. Get over it. Or, just get your facts right next time so that at least when you are trying to be a prick you can be a correct one.[/quote']How am I trying to be a prick, dick? The rest of what you said is all Zac.

 

Steinbrenners aren't fronting this. We are.

Are you a resident of the city of New York? If not there is no WE about it. I myself don't live in the city so not a dollar of my tax dollars is going to these Stadiums. And as i said, is it right that the city's taxpayers are partially funding this, no. But be real, the taxpayers aren't footing the entire $1.3 Billion dollar bill, and over the months that's the picture you've painted.

[ORS]

Headline: Steinbrenner Eats Fresh Baby Brains in Radical Treatment for Alzheimer's

 

The rest of the world: He's a depraved, murdering cannibal.

 

26 to 6: It's really not that bad guys, so ENOUGH WITH THE CANNIBAL STUFF!

 

Film at 11.

 

Lock the thread.

[26 to 6]

Oh shut up ORS. Nowhere did I say it wasn't bad that tax dollars are being used and nowehre did I agree with it. I simply stated that tax dollars aren't being used to cover the majority of the Stadium and that most new parks are primarily financed by tax dollars. Is it disgusting that the city has all of these other issues that the money could be spent on, yeah. But take it up with the city officials, not me. It's business, it's the way it goes. None of the bashing that you Red Sox fans do is gonna change it. Where was the uproar when all the other Stadiums were using tax dollars? It's not about me agreeing with taxpayers funding the Stadium, it's about me disagreeing with the Red Sox fan's perception of the Steinbrenner family. You guys would make him out to be the f***ing anti-christ if you could. You ignore what he's done for the game, the yankees, and the city of New York. Sure, he has his faults, and plenty of them, but he'll likely be inducted into the HOF for his many contributions over the years to the players, fans, and owners alike, not to mention the game as a whole. You may think it's me being ridiculous, which may to true to an extent, but nowhere near as ridiculous as some of you guys. And what I really don't understand is why you guys care. You don't give a f*** about the city of New York, it's people who you constantly claim to despise, or it's well-being. It's not coming out of your pocket so the only reason for the comments is hatred towards Steinbrenner, which I guess i understandable considering up until recently he's been getting thew best of you guys for years.

 

And there is no reason to lock the thread if we can STAY ON POINT, which despite my back and forth with Zac I've tried to do by diverting the attention back to Tex or Manny. So go elsewhere with that ********.

[example1]

So being anti-Yankee is now being anti-New York? Disliking New York is like disliking America for crying out loud.

 

Let's start gathering up the Met's fans then...

[CrespoBlows]

You guys have me wrong here' date=' I never said it was good, I never said I agree with it. all I said is that in this day in age taxpayers fund most, if not all new Stadiums in some capacity. Frankly there are less tax dollars building this Stadium than almost any other new Stadium in recent memory. [/quote']

 

Wrong.

 

Read the article the AP wrote on December 8th. I posted it in the Teixeira thread, but you ignored it.

 

I'm not lying to cover up s***, I'm just posting facts to the extent that I know them. And where the f*** do you get $1.5 Billion from? First, the Stadium is only costing $1.3 Billion, and the Steinbrenner family is paying for most of it.

 

I don't know. I f***ing read sources that aren't waxing Steinbrenner's pole. Go in the Teixeira thread, and read the article I posted.

 

Stop using the YES Network as your source.

 

 

 

Are you a resident of the city of New York? If not there is no WE about it. I myself don't live in the city so not a dollar of my tax dollars is going to these Stadiums. And as i said, is it right that the city's taxpayers are partially funding this, no. But be real, the taxpayers aren't footing the entire $1.3 Billion dollar bill, and over the months that's the picture you've painted.

 

Yeah, they are. That's just the start up costs. The Yankees are going to cost the city additional money just by renting the place out for a sweet deal.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/10/news/newsmakers/yankees_stadium.fortune/index.htm?section=money_topstories

 

What will New York taxpayers get in return for all their Yankee largesse? Very little - unless you're a local pol with a hankering for hardball.[ The Yankees will pay a mere $10 a year in rent in the new ballpark, down from about $10 million in the old one. No, we didn't leave off some zeros; it's typical of the sweetheart deals cities make to keep teams in town. And this one comes with a cherry-on-top kicker: According to the prospectus, city officials get their own luxury box "for all regular-season team home games."

 

Of course, the Yankees are responsible for $51 million a year in debt service. Yet even that expense comes with a silver lining: It will help reduce the Yankees' revenue-sharing obligations. Baseball's 2002 collective-bargaining agreement permits teams to deduct stadium debt service and construction costs when calculating revenue sharing. Bottom line? Baseball's 29 other teams will effectively bear a third of the cost of the Yankees' new ballpark. "It's a classic tax shelter," one baseball insider says. "Not only do you get the benefit of added revenues, but you get a major revenue-sharing deduction as well."

 

26 to 6

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-looking-cool-fail.jpg

[26 to 6]

I think I'm much more attractive than that guy.

 

I just find it impossible that tax dollars are covering every cent of this ballpark. But you know, you guys seem to understand this more than I do. Frankly I havent't followed the financing of this project very much. All I know is that there's a new beautiful Stadium in the Bronx, that was being billed as 100% privately financed during the projects inception. It's a shame that so much tax money is being used, but it's not out of the norm so I really can't get all worked up. maybe if I was a city taxpayer I would feel differently, sure. But None of you, with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 are city taxpayers either, and there's no reason for you guys to get your panties in a twist over it.

[CrespoBlows]

I think I'm much more attractive than that guy.

 

I just find it impossible that tax dollars are covering every cent of this ballpark. But you know, you guys seem to understand this more than I do. Frankly I havent't followed the financing of this project very much. All I know is that there's a new beautiful Stadium in the Bronx, that was being billed as 100% privately financed during the projects inception. It's a shame that so much tax money is being used, but it's not out of the norm so I really can't get all worked up. maybe if I was a city taxpayer I would feel differently, sure. But None of you, with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 are city taxpayers either, and there's no reason for you guys to get your panties in a twist over it.

 

I find the forced transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy to be disgusting. It's a habit that our political leaders have gotten used to getting away with.

[BudLight]

Pardon the long post, but this is not new:

 

This is right???:

 

Posted: November 25, 2008 (Sporting News)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Two New York City Council members say that Citigroup should show its thanks for a federal bailout by sharing the naming rights to the new Mets ballpark in Queens.

 

The struggling bank is slated to pay $400 million over the next 20 years to name the stadium Citi Field.

 

Or this article - Seems even the Red Sox had plan to rip off the taxpayers of Mass.:

 

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_papers.php?PressID=345

 

 

Some are even 100% funded by the government - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_stadiums#References

[Gom]

Yeah, it's true. It was in the papers here.

[Dipre]

26...even though you and I are both Yankee fans, you're way off base here. The fact that Jacko agrees with your assessment of finances should have been the first indicator of how wrong you are.

 

The Stadium deal is a bonanza for the Yankees. It is a terrible deal for the city. Stadiums usually are. There has yet to be one stadium deal that benefits the taxpayers. The poor fund the rich. It's always been this way.

 

The fact is...Steinbrenner SHOULD pay a fortune. No one is forcing him to. He's doing it to maximize his profits. However, using public funds seems to be common-place. Any fans that believe it's good for them is ridiculous. Personally...I don't care. I don't live in the city, so it doesn't affect me in any significant way.

 

The truth is, stadium deals are sweetheart deals...for the owners. Don't kid yourself.

 

 

Headline: Steinbrenner Eats Fresh Baby Brains in Radical Treatment for Alzheimer's

 

The rest of the world: He's a depraved, murdering cannibal.

 

26 to 6: It's really not that bad guys, so ENOUGH WITH THE CANNIBAL STUFF!

 

Film at 11.

 

Lock the thread.

 

Those two posts are full of WIN.

 

Anyways, anyone who thinks the Yankees whoring New York city out of taxpayer money to

finance their new stadium after shelling out $200+ million dollars for FA pitchers while in the worst recession the US has seen this century is being plain silly.

[26 to 6]

Pardon the long post, but this is not new:

 

This is right???:

 

Posted: November 25, 2008 (Sporting News)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Two New York City Council members say that Citigroup should show its thanks for a federal bailout by sharing the naming rights to the new Mets ballpark in Queens.

 

The struggling bank is slated to pay $400 million over the next 20 years to name the stadium Citi Field.

 

Or this article - Seems even the Red Sox had plan to rip off the taxpayers of Mass.:

 

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_papers.php?PressID=345

 

 

Some are even 100% funded by the government - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_stadiums#References

Thank you BudLight. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

 

And see, even though it was the old ownership group the Red Sox are even guilty too, they wanted taxpayers to pay for roughly half of the stadium that was being considered.

 

It's business, and that's just the way it is. The Yankees are the most profitable franchise in sports, and they're great at doing business, and you can't fault them there. Although it is a shame that their business success in relations to the new Stadium comes at the expense of the taxpayers who won't even be able to afford to go see a game there.

 

Anyways, anyone who thinks the Yankees whoring New York city out of taxpayer money to finance their new stadium after shelling out $200+ million dollars for FA pitchers while in the worst recession the US has seen this century is being plain silly.

I think you forgot to finish your statement there, but I think I get what you were trying to say, and simply but I didn't say anything positive about the Yankees using tax dollars to help fund the Stadium, I never condoned it or anything, I just said it was the norm and that it shouldn't come as a shock and really doesn't deserve the criticism of the Red Sox fans (whose franchise tried doing the same thing several years ago) that it's gotten. If they're gonna rip the Yankees, they need to rip the Nationals who's stadium was 100% publicly funded, the Twins who's new Stadium is 82% publicly funded, the Orioles because Camden Yards was 96% publicly funded, and so on; compared to the new Yankee Stadium's 39% public contribution.

[pinstripezac]

Thats the only point I was trying to make.

 

And see, even though it was the old ownership group the Red Sox are even guilty too, they wanted taxpayers to pay for roughly half of the stadium that was being considered.

 

It's business, and that's just the way it is. .

 

 

even this ownership group used the same tax breaks

 

while making all the renovations to fenway the last few yrs

 

 

you can lead a horse to water

 

but you can't make him drink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you can lead RSN to the facts

 

but you can't make them read them ;-)

[Paradisecity]

I think I'm much more attractive than that guy.

 

I just find it impossible that tax dollars are covering every cent of this ballpark. But you know, you guys seem to understand this more than I do. Frankly I havent't followed the financing of this project very much. All I know is that there's a new beautiful Stadium in the Bronx, that was being billed as 100% privately financed during the projects inception. It's a shame that so much tax money is being used, but it's not out of the norm so I really can't get all worked up. maybe if I was a city taxpayer I would feel differently, sure. But None of you, with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 are city taxpayers either, and there's no reason for you guys to get your panties in a twist over it.

 

 

 

It isnt just city dollars. It is federal money as well. There IS a "we in this." They even had debates about it on the national news channels. I'm not going to spend my time refuting stuff that you make up and think is true so look it up.

 

 

 

As far as "complaining about the sox spending when they were renovating", it is more about the timing than anything. The yankees asked to have IRS rules changed just for them for their ballpark in the summer of this year after the economy had already started tanking. Then they signed 250M worth of players, shortly after the economy nosedived and in the middle of a complete market flux and in the same week asked for 200M more. If this had happened 1 year ago it would be one of those comments made in passing about how much they spend all this money and then ask for some of ours. Given the state of this country and its economy, however, it is a slap in the face to taxpayers who SHOULD watch their funding go elsewhere.

 

And pinstripezac, your joke is still just as lame as UB40.

[CrespoBlows]

Thank you BudLight. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

 

And see, even though it was the old ownership group the Red Sox are even guilty too, they wanted taxpayers to pay for roughly half of the stadium that was being considered.

 

It's business, and that's just the way it is. The Yankees are the most profitable franchise in sports, and they're great at doing business, and you can't fault them there. Although it is a shame that their business success in relations to the new Stadium comes at the expense of the taxpayers who won't even be able to afford to go see a game there.

 

 

I think you forgot to finish your statement there, but I think I get what you were trying to say, and simply but I didn't say anything positive about the Yankees using tax dollars to help fund the Stadium, I never condoned it or anything, I just said it was the norm and that it shouldn't come as a shock and really doesn't deserve the criticism of the Red Sox fans (whose franchise tried doing the same thing several years ago) that it's gotten. If they're gonna rip the Yankees, they need to rip the Nationals who's stadium was 100% publicly funded, the Twins who's new Stadium is 82% publicly funded, the Orioles because Camden Yards was 96% publicly funded, and so on; compared to the new Yankee Stadium's 39% public contribution.

 

Where are you getting 39%? The Yankees have received $1.5 billion from the city of New York.

 

Quit being a tool.

[TheKilo]

And are asking for more

[Gom]

And are asking for more

 

As they should. I would, if I owned the team.

 

If you say you wouldn't...well, that explains why you'll never run your own business, let alone own a team. This is what a BUSINESS is SUPPOSED to do. Don't blame the Yankees. Blame Bloomberg/Guiliani, and the politicians of New York City.

[TheKilo]

That's fine.

 

You find nothing wrong, in the economic climate, with the Yankees spending $250 million on two pitchers and then in the same week, asking for millions more?

[Dipre]

As they should. I would, if I owned the team.

 

If you say you wouldn't...well, that explains why you'll never run your own business, let alone own a team. This is what a BUSINESS is SUPPOSED to do. Don't blame the Yankees. Blame Bloomberg/Guiliani, and the politicians of New York City.

 

As usual, you find the road to WIN, but instead make a left turn at dumbass avenue, and end up in FAIL street.

 

No one is saying they wouldn't look for public funding, you just love strawman arguments, what IS being said here, is the fact that it's preposterous for the Yankees to be asking for public funding after spending $200+ million dollars on TWO free agent pitchers.

 

It's like if when you get your allowance ('cause sometimes i really think you live in your parents' basement) you go and spend all in one night with a one-legged hooker, then come back the next morning to ask your dad for more money.

[ARod2212]

If NYC wouldn't give them the money, New Jersey would. Or Connecticut. Or any other place that would love to have the Yankees in their town.

 

Yankees have all the leverage and used it. That's how it works. Stop bitching.

[Paradisecity]

The New Jersey Yankees. I would find that utterly appropriate.

[TheKilo]

If NYC wouldn't give them the money, New Jersey would. Or Connecticut. Or any other place that would love to have the Yankees in their town.

 

Yankees have all the leverage and used it. That's how it works. Stop bitching.

 

My tax money isn't being used for this, so why should I bitch?

[CrespoBlows]

If NYC wouldn't give them the money' date=' New Jersey would. Or Connecticut. Or any other place that would love to have the Yankees in their town. [/quote']

 

lol

 

What a f***ing idiot. Do you really think the Yankees are going to abandon New York City? These guys have the money, they're just looking to steal it to protect their own wallets.

 

Yankees have all the leverage and used it. That's how it works. Stop bitching.

 

The Yankees have NO leverage. They aren't going to leave the city. You and the other members of the harem refuse to read evidence that would contradict your Great Leader and Dear Leader. What a bunch of tools.

[CrespoBlows]

My tax money isn't being used for this' date=' so why should I bitch?[/quote']

 

Because of the deliberate misinformation that politicians and owners peddle out to deceive its citizenry, in order for them to accept a billionaire from getting a $1.5 billion dollar subsidy to build his stadium.

 

Private financing of stadium's exist. Peter McGowan built AT&T Park out of his own pocket. That's how it should work. That's legitimate business. Not this immoral, unethical, and unfair ******** that Steinbrenner and Bloomberg come up with.

 

Why do New Yorkers swallow this? Shouldn't be surprised. They elected Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Clinton, Elliot Spitzer, and are trying to get Caroline Kennedy the Senate job. You guys must like being f***ed by politicians.