Yankees to make huge offer to Burnett

[Mr Crunchy]

The sox have 19 different owners that make up this ownership group

the yankees?

they have hal and hank ""thanks dad"" steinberger, the 2 brothers appear to be either thalidimide babies or their real father is that banjo playing inbred from deliverence.

our owners are in a business to earn money

the yanks owners are in it for prestige and ego fullfillment due to the lack of substance in their pants.

Since the sox have been the better team over the last 5 years the yankees have reacted to sox moves and not acted in their own interests,its really that simple.

the yankees want to be the redsox,brian cashman masturbates with both hands dreaming of being theo,hal and hank want to be john henry and tom werner.

sad isnt it

the Yankee model for success has been reduced to following a city that is really like scranton with clams

 

while henry, werner and the others spend a ton of cash to make the sox competetive, they dont have the resources the yankees have because of tv revenue and over 1m more in attendence each season and other issues that make the yankees the most profitiable franchise in sports.

that said

the managment,scouting and player development have made the sox the best in the business while the yankees figure out a way to spend 500M this offseason on guys who dont want to play in ny.

 

the next few weeks should be revealing.

[Dipre]

The sox have 19 different owners that make up this ownership group

the yankees?

they have hal and hank ""thanks dad"" steinberger, the 2 brothers appear to be either thalidimide babies or their real father is that banjo playing inbred from deliverence.

our owners are in a business to earn money

the yanks owners are in it for prestige and ego fullfillment due to the lack of substance in their pants.

Since the sox have been the better team over the last 5 years the yankees have reacted to sox moves and not acted in their own interests,its really that simple.

the yankees want to be the redsox,brian cashman masturbates with both hands dreaming of being theo,hal and hank want to be john henry and tom werner.

sad isnt it

the Yankee model for success has been reduced to following a city that is really like scranton with clams

 

while henry, werner and the others spend a ton of cash to make the sox competetive, they dont have the resources the yankees have because of tv revenue and over 1m more in attendence each season and other issues that make the yankees the most profitiable franchise in sports.

that said

the managment,scouting and player development have made the sox the best in the business while the yankees figure out a way to spend 500M this offseason on guys who dont want to play in ny.

 

the next few weeks should be revealing.

 

Pretty much swinging for the fences aren't we?

[BSN07]

Braves Make Offer To A.J. Burnett

By Tim Dierkes [December 4 at 1:53pm CST]

1:53pm: O'Brien's source says the Yankees are going to make an offer to Burnett today or tomorrow.

 

11:23am: According to David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Braves GM Frank Wren confirmed today that he made an offer to free agent starter A.J. Burnett. Wren added that the proposal does not guarantee a fifth year. O'Brien believes there is a fifth-year option. He adds that the deal averages $15MM per year. It doesn't really sound like the type of offer Burnett needs to pounce on.

[jacksonianmarch]

AJ shouldnt jump on any offers right now until CC signs. For one, CC's ultimate dollar figure could be a bargaining chip for Burnett and his agent. I know he wont get the same AAV, but when CC signs for a 25 mil AAV, Burnett could make a case that he should make 20. And the team with the biggest coin hasnt made a formal offer yet and hasnt been desperate enough to make their best, most outlandish offer. If CC decides to leave a ton of money on the table, then allocating more coin to Burnett isnt out of the question. It isnt wise, but it isnt out of the question.

[Cocos Disciples]

I agree, since CC probably will go for more than he is worth.

[Dipre]

The original yankee offer is more than he's worth, for that matter.

[jacksonianmarch]

Depends on which team is getting the player. A front line starting pitcher who instantly legitimizes your rotation on a team that is the most world renowned and most expensive in the game would probably argue differently. That being said, it is kinda sick that this guy will make more in 3 months work than I will make in my entire career, and I'm a friggin doctor.

[Gom]

Depends on which team is getting the player. A front line starting pitcher who instantly legitimizes your rotation on a team that is the most world renowned and most expensive in the game would probably argue differently. That being said' date=' it is kinda sick that this guy will make more in 3 months work than I will make in my entire career, and I'm a friggin doctor.[/quote']

 

So? You didn't go into medicine for the money, did you? Almost everyone in finance and entertainment make more than doctors. I have much respect for doctors, seeing as my brother is one, but you're human mechanics, not car designers. Big difference.

 

Once more, to reiterate, I have all the respect for your hard work to get to where you are. However, don't knock what these people do. They have a talent, but it's hard work to do as well. Their shelf life is very short, their careers at the outset are no where near as guaranteed, and they are entertainers.

 

If you ask me, your field is grossly overpaid as well. So is mine. It's the way the cookie crumbles.

[26 to 6]

If one day Gom is ever rushed to the ER at the hospital where Jacko's working please alert me, I would love to be there.

[Dipre]

If one day Gom is ever rushed to the ER at the hospital where Jacko's working please alert me' date=' I would love to be there.[/quote']

 

I'd take a f***ing plane from here to wherever the hell that is, it'd be worth the hassle for sure.

[Gom]

If one day Gom is ever rushed to the ER at the hospital where Jacko's working please alert me' date=' I would love to be there.[/quote']

I'm sure he would do his job, and do it to the best of his abilities. As a professional, you differentiate things. I'm in banking. If Jacko came to me for investments, I can guarantee him I'd do a better job of managing his finances than Cashman does with the Yankees. No matter what, I'd do the best I could for him.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd diagnose me a lot better than Cashman diagnoses his minor league talent. I am 100% convinved we both do our jobs in our sleep a million times better than Cashman does at his job.

[Dipre]

I'm sure he would do his job, and do it to the best of his abilities. As a professional, you differentiate things. I'm in banking. If Jacko came to me for investments, I can guarantee him I'd do a better job of managing his finances than Cashman does with the Yankees. No matter what, I'd do the best I could for him.

 

I'm pretty sure he'd diagnose me a lot better than Cashman diagnoses his minor league talent. I am 100% convinved we both do our jobs in our sleep a million times better than Cashman does at his job.

 

I lol'd. Twice.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kind of a whirlwhind yesterday for Burnett rumors. Earlier in the day, it was reported that the Braves went to 5 yrs with Burnett at 15 mil per. Then it was rumored that the Cards were gonna top that, until that rumor fizzled out. Then we heard that the Sox were in on it too and were right there with the Braves. Last night, it was reported that Burnett and the Braves had an imminent deal. Then it was reported that the yankees swooped in and beat the Braves offer, and right now Burnett is sitting back watching his stock soar. Here's to hoping he comes to NY

[26 to 6]

Here's to hoping he comes to NY

Why??

 

Granted I won't turn him away if he comes here, but I don't want him that bad. I don't want that kind of commitment to him, both in terms of dollars and years. It's so unfortunate that this years pitching market is filled with a bunch of overrated, overvalued guys who are gonna cash in big because of lack of alternatives and good contract years. Same applies to CC, I'm sick of this bs with him, he's not even all that great. I think he's overrated, he sucks in the postseason, and with his body he'll probably start breaking down half way through his contract. Even Derek Lowe is gonna make big bucks and that's sickening. While I would certainly like to have CC, or even Burnett to a lesser extent, I won't be very disappointed at all if we miss out on all of them. I'd be content with just Andy and Sheets. I know exactly what will happen if we sign CC; he'll make $140+ mil, win 15-16 games in the regular season with a ERA of 3.50 or somewhere in that neighborhood, put together a representable season, and then when the postseason comes in his first start he'll be knocked out in the 4th inning after giving up 6 runs to a team like the White Sox or the Tigers or something. We sign Burnett, I see Pavano all over again. You realize the only year Burnett hasn't been on the DL was his contract year? He'll be hurt for an extended period of time in his 4th start.

 

Now hopefully if we end up getting either of them I turn out to be wrong, but I just have a bad feeling about these guys. Idk what it is, but I think a guy like Sheets can give us the same performance as a Burnett for a fraction of the cost. And if he gets injured, which he also very well may do, we don't have a billion dollars invested in him over 20 years. As much as it pains me to say it, maybe Gom's right, we should have just gotten Johan last year when we had the chance. He's the closest thing to automatic ace to hit the market in the last 5 years, this one included. If CC doesn't want our $140, fine let him go be a Dodger. If Atlanta or Boston wants to get in a bidding war with us over Burnett, let him go. We're better off saving our money. I dont want to beg these guys to come here just so they can get hurt or choke in October. We've seen it happen all too often over the last 6-8 years.

[jacksonianmarch]

Saying CC isnt very good is flat out wrong. The guy was the balls down the stretch and got the Brewers into the playoffs by going on 3 days rest for a month. And, he is a massive need. Wang can pitch like an ace at times, but he lapses into mediocrity too frequently to be an ace. Joba can throw like an ace, but he hasnt shown the durability. Sheets throws like an ace, but is hurt too frequently. Burnett throws like an ace at time and is a bit more durable than Sheets. CC is the only guy that we can get who throws like an ace and is durable

[BoSox21]

....until you get to the playoffs

 

You gotta think C.C.'s workload is gonna catch up with him though at some point

[jacksonianmarch]

I find that to be crap. Both seasons in which CC sucked in the playoffs were yrs in which he was whipped like he never was before. Think about it. CC has thrown nearly 500IP over the past 2 seasons AND made the playoffs both yrs. Knowing the AL East and our team's management style, CC would likely sit in the 210IP range

[26 to 6]

Saying CC isnt very good is flat out wrong. The guy was the balls down the stretch and got the Brewers into the playoffs by going on 3 days rest for a month. And' date=' he is a massive need. Wang can pitch like an ace at times, but he lapses into mediocrity too frequently to be an ace. Joba can throw like an ace, but he hasnt shown the durability. Sheets throws like an ace, but is hurt too frequently. Burnett throws like an ace at time and is a bit more durable than Sheets. CC is the only guy that we can get who throws like an ace and is durable[/quote']

I didn't say CC wasn't very good, I'm saying he's not lights out great. And take into account the fact that last year was his contract year, everyone steps it up when a new contract is on the line.

 

Only once has he thrown half as many complete games as last year (10), and that was in 2006 with 6, he also went 12-11 that year. His career ERA is 3.66, a far cry from the 1.65 he posted with the Brewers and the 2.75 he put up last year with Cleveland and Milwaukee combined. Face it, Sabathia is a very good pitcher, I'll give him that much, but people are acting as if he's Warren Spahn or Cy Young or something, and he's gonna cash in like it simply because there's no one better out there right now. It's sick. Bottom line is, yeah he was a horse last year, but he has yet to do it in October, ever, and he's extremely overrated due to one huge (contract) year. All that considered, like I said I would love to have him on the staff, but I'm not gonna blow my load for him like everyone else in the world.

[26 to 6]

I find that to be crap. Both seasons in which CC sucked in the playoffs were yrs in which he was whipped like he never was before. Think about it. CC has thrown nearly 500IP over the past 2 seasons AND made the playoffs both yrs. Knowing the AL East and our team's management style, CC would likely sit in the 210IP range

You find that to be crap? I think you're crazy. I think you need to get rid of this hard-on you have for him and stop making excuses. He can't do it in October period, and I dont wanna hear about his innings workload. Big game pitchers get it done, they thrive on the big stage, and CC just isn't one of those guys. Period.

[jacksonianmarch]

28.2IP 24H 6ER 4BB 24K

 

what's that? Those are the numbers he put up in a 12 day span to close out the yr

[BoSox21]

I find that to be crap. Both seasons in which CC sucked in the playoffs were yrs in which he was whipped like he never was before. Think about it. CC has thrown nearly 500IP over the past 2 seasons AND made the playoffs both yrs. Knowing the AL East and our team's management style' date=' CC would likely sit in the 210IP range[/quote']

 

Oh come on, you don't think they would roll out CC on 3 days' rest as opposed to handing the ball to Dan Geise or Fatboy Ponson?

[jacksonianmarch]

neither will be part of the yankee org this yr it looks like

[BoSox21]

neither will be part of the yankee org this yr it looks like

 

You guys have two starting pitchers right now, unless you include Kennedy and Hughes. Kinda hard to make a judgement on what the rotation will look like.

[26 to 6]

I wouldn't be shocked to see giese brought back on a Minor League deal.

 

edit: I stand corrected, he's still under contract, so no need to bring him back.

28.2IP 24H 6ER 4BB 24K

 

what's that? Those are the numbers he put up in a 12 day span to close out the yr

5G, 25IP, 33H, 22R (all earned), 22BB, 24K, 7.92 ERA, 2W, 3L

 

What's that? Career postseason numbers. Dude just doesn't have it.

 

In 5 games he averages 5 innings per start, gives up almost a run an inning, gives up almost a walk an inning, gives up more than a hit an inning, I'll give him credit for putting up almost a K per inning, but other than that none of his postseason numbers are very good. As for your stats, IT WAS ONE YEAR, AND HIS CONTRACT YEAR AT THAT. He's not that good every year. He was pretty darn good in 2007, won the Cy Young (although some can argue that Beckett was more deserving), but other than that he never really had another year that came close to either of the past 2. You think he's gonna have years like the one he had last year each of the next 6 seasons? It doesnt work like that, he won't be auditioning for a new contract each of the next 6 years.

[BSN07]

The latest on A.J. Burnett: The pitcher's agent, Darek Braunecker, and Mark Rodgers met with the Red Sox on Monday afternoon, and it appears Boston is right there in the mix with Atlanta and the Yankees for Burnett.

 

 

Not sure how thrilled I am about this, but if it drives his signing price for the Yanks then so be it.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldn't be shocked to see giese brought back on a Minor League deal.

 

edit: I stand corrected, he's still under contract, so no need to bring him back.

 

5G, 25IP, 33H, 22R (all earned), 22BB, 24K, 7.92 ERA, 2W, 3L

 

What's that? Career postseason numbers. Dude just doesn't have it.

 

In 5 games he averages 5 innings per start, gives up almost a run an inning, gives up almost a walk an inning, gives up more than a hit an inning, I'll give him credit for putting up almost a K per inning, but other than that none of his postseason numbers are very good. As for your stats, IT WAS ONE YEAR, AND HIS CONTRACT YEAR AT THAT. He's not that good every year. He was pretty darn good in 2007, won the Cy Young (although some can argue that Beckett was more deserving), but other than that he never really had another year that came close to either of the past 2. You think he's gonna have years like the one he had last year each of the next 6 seasons? It doesnt work like that, he won't be auditioning for a new contract each of the next 6 years.

 

so lets go with the smallest sample size and then pretend like the point has been made. You my friend, are an idiot

[26 to 6]

so lets go with the smallest sample size and then pretend like the point has been made. You my friend' date=' are an idiot[/quote']

hahaha you're criticizing me calling my sample size too small? The stats you laid out were over a 4 game period, mine were over a 5 game period. Moron. Kindergarten mathematics.

 

Oh and September 16th to September 28th is 13 days, not 12. Math was never one of my strengths, but it certainly isn't one of your strong points either.

[jacksonianmarch]

4 game period. And i have the regular season to back me up. I see you and Gom have been drinking from the same drugged punch

[26 to 6]

4 game period. And i have the regular season to back me up. I see you and Gom have been drinking from the same drugged punch

I caught that when I looked at your stats, but thats over a 13 day period. Your 12 day period consists of 3 games. You have to actually count the day that the first game occurred on. I know it's not your fault as ESPN and other media outlets were making a big deal over what he did over a "12 day period" when it was going on, but still...

[BoSox21]

Not sure how thrilled I am about this' date=' but if it drives his signing price for the Yanks then so be it.[/quote']

 

That's exactly what it is, there's no way the Sox sign Burnett unless he gives up money and years to come here.

 

If they were that high on him, they would have signed him after the 2005 season, a season where the Sox had a rotation of Matt Clement, David Wells, Tim Wakefield, Wade Miller and Bronson Arroyo.

 

In 2005, the knock on Burnett was that he had great stuff but has never been able to put it all together or stay healthy. Nothing about that has changed at all, except for the fact that he's three years older.

 

Now he wants another five-year deal for MORE money. In a stark contrast to the 2006 Red Sox, the rotation currently has three aces on it and two front-line starting pitcher prospects on the near horizon. So why the hell would the Red Sox sign AJ Burnett now?