Mitchell Report

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Intresting David Justice is on is on Yankees Hot Stove.

[das11209]

Rocket's agent denies all those you know - 'allegations'.

 

Agent Randy Hendricks sent out a statement saying Roger Clemens "vehemently denies allegations in the Mitchell Report that he used performance-enhancing steroids."

 

Hendricks's release says that Clemens "is outraged that his name is included in the report based on uncorroborated allegations of a troubled man threatened with federal criminal prosecution

[YAZMAN]

The steroids helped him throw the ball harder over the first baseman's head into the stands.

 

One of his throws sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann's mother in the face.

[jacksonianmarch]

I couldnt care less about this report. Clemens and steroids is certainly not inconceivable. And Pettitte with HGH to return from injury, if its true, then he's a good soldier.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

And Pettitte with HGH to return from injury' date=' if its true, then he's a good soldier.[/quote']

 

Interesting take....good soldier would be playing through the injury....not cheating to get back on the field.

[ARod2212]

The steroids helped him throw the ball harder over the first baseman's head into the stands.

That's called roid rage.

[He Hate Me]

Seriously? I mean, seriously? You think Mitchell was biased towards the Red Sox in these efforts?

 

The Pettitte accusation is nothing new. he's been linked to PEDs before, and Roger isn't that much of a surprise.

 

But being up in arms because Gabe Kapler's not on the damn list? WTF. This is a joke, as is your perception of the work Mitchell has done.

 

Was he a smart hire? No. That shouldn't be the sole judgment off of his work though.

 

name one current red sox on the list.

[Optimist]

Not everyone on the list is guilty. And not everyone who isn't on it, is innocent.

[ORS]

name one current red sox on the list.

Name one who was likely to purchase PEDs from the Mets trainer.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

name one current red sox on the list.

 

How many other teams on the list have active players? Is it just the Red Sox who don't have anyone on the active list?

[Jayhawk Bill]

The Yankees immediately looked into voiding Giambi's contract, even though outside the allegedly secret grand jury testimony Giambi didn't quite admit to anything--he just apologized for what he'd done without exactly specifying for what he was apologizing.

 

I'd say that ballplayers learned their lesson: Deny everything.

 

This had nothing to do with steroids. It had everything to do with him hitting .230. It was a way for the Yankees to get out of the salary, nothing more or less. If he was hitting .300 with 40 homers, you wouldn't have heard a peep from the Yankees front office.

 

Perhaps, but that's speculation. My point is that they used the steroid issue to try to void a contract. Honesty backfired.

 

IMO, the MLBPA noticed...I don't recall any player whose name was listed coming forth before rumors of his steroid use broke in order to come clean, thereby to be forgiven.

 

***

 

An interesting passage:

 

The current program has been effective in that detectable steroid use appears to have declined. However, that does not mean that players have stopped using performance enhancing substances. Many players have shifted to human growth hormone...

 

That was a statement of fact: "many" players have shifted to hGH.

[26 to 6]

As a Yankee fan I wanted to make note of all the players named who had at one point played for the Yankees. Pretty large portion of those named have played for the Yankees at one point. As a Yankee fan I feel ashamed, sad, hurt, cheated, etc. I'm just at a loss for words...this s*** sucks.

 

Rondell White, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, David Justice ,F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Todd Pratt, Mike Stanton, Kevin Brown, Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Gary Sheffield.

Add Bobby Estellela and Randy Velarde to that list...accidentilly skipped over them before.

[26 to 6]

Intresting David Justice is on is on Yankees Hot Stove.

His response was pretty interesting. I wonder how much of it was BS...I like to think he's telling the truth, but c'mon, can't realistically expect me to believe that.

 

Name one who was likely to purchase PEDs from the Mets trainer.

What makes Paul Lo Duca, or Andy Pettitte more likely to get PEDs from a Mets clubhouse assistant than Sox player?

[yankeessuck013]

His response was pretty interesting. I wonder how much of it was BS...I like to think he's telling the truth, but c'mon, can't realistically expect me to believe that.

 

What makes Paul Lo Duca, or Andy Pettitte more likely to get PEDs from a Mets clubhouse assistant than Sox player?

 

What was his response?

[ORS]

You can't be serious about the Lo Duca question? Pettitte used the same personal trainer as Clemens, who has already been linked to Radomski. Find me one such tie to a current Sox player.

[26 to 6]

You can't be serious about the Lo Duca question? Pettitte used the same personal trainer as Clemens' date=' who has already been linked to Radomski. Find me one such tie to a current Sox player.[/quote']

I am serious about the Lo Duca question, because as STATED IN THE REPORT, his purchases from Radomsky were made while he was with the Dodgers. Kirk wasn't even employed with the Mets by the time LoDuca got to town. As for Pettitte getting from him, that's exactly my point. Who would have seen that association? Prior to today would you have been able to associate the two at all?

[26 to 6]

What was his response?

That the trainer offerred him HGH for an injury, he declined, the trainer said he would leave it in his locker just in case. When he saw it, and realized that needles were involved he said, and I quote, "no way man." He said he did speak with the investigators (appearantly prior to them getting any evidence on him) just to answer some questions as to his personal knowledge of occurances throughout baseball. When he was pin-pointed by the investigators, they say they reached out to him to give him the chance to meet with them again and offer an explanation, but he didn't respond. His response to that was that he had changed his cell phone number several times in the past year (which Bob Lorenz corroborated) and that his home number was no longer in use because he lost his home in the SoCal wildfires, but stated that if he had indeed heard from them he would have responded.

[ORS]

I am serious about the Lo Duca question' date=' because as STATED IN THE REPORT, his purchases from Radomsky were made while he was with the Dodgers. Kirk wasn't even employed with the Mets by the time LoDuca got to town. As for Pettitte getting from him, that's exactly my point. Who would have seen that association? Prior to today would you have been able to associate the two at all?[/quote']

Good points, I suppose prior to today, there was little linking them to Radomski. I'm just tiring of HHM's insinuation (while completely back-pedaling when called on it) that Mitchell did something underhanded here.

[26 to 6]

Here's the Yankees statement on the report

 

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2324888&vkey=pr_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

 

"We are reviewing the report and have no comment."

 

lol

[26 to 6]

Good points' date=' I suppose prior to today, there was little linking them to Radomski. I'm just tiring of HHM's insinuation (while completely back-pedaling when called on it) that Mitchell did something underhanded here.[/quote']

I understand. I myself disgree 100% with that notion. While I think the report could have been more thorough, we HAVE TO keep in mind what he had to work with here. Not having any real authority or subpeona power he couldn't do much but take what he had and run with it..which is what he did. All things considered, as I stated earlier, I think he did a fairly good job for the most part.

[TheKilo]

I am serious about the Lo Duca question' date=' because as STATED IN THE REPORT, his purchases from Radomsky were made while he was with the Dodgers. Kirk wasn't even employed with the Mets by the time LoDuca got to town. As for Pettitte getting from him, that's exactly my point. Who would have seen that association? Prior to today would you have been able to associate the two at all?[/quote']

 

Didn't Pettitte get his HGH from Clemens' trainer, McNamee?

[TheKilo]

name one current red sox on the list.

 

So what you're telling me, is, that Mitchell undertook this twenty month project, knowing full well he was not going to implicate any Red Sox but at the same time name a boatload of Yankees.

 

He was going to run this operation out of spite for the Yankees in the rivalry, and completely disregard any integrity he has.

 

And you actually believe this? That's sad, sorry, and pathetic.

[26 to 6]

Didn't Pettitte get his HGH from Clemens' trainer' date=' McNamee?[/quote']

Yeah, but McNamee got it from Radomsky. According to the report Rog supplied his own steroids initially, but McNamee got the HGH for Andy from Radomsky.

[TheKilo]

Yeah' date=' but McNamee got it from Radomsky. According to the report Rog supplied his own steroids initially, but McNamee got the HGH for Andy from Radomsky.[/quote']

 

Right, but Pettitte got his through a third party that both he and Clemens knew about. The connection isn't as far fetched as you'd like to believe.

[Thumper]

So what you're telling me, is, that Mitchell undertook this twenty month project, knowing full well he was not going to implicate any Red Sox but at the same time name a boatload of Yankees.

 

He was going to run this operation out of spite for the Yankees in the rivalry, and completely disregard any integrity he has.

 

And you actually believe this? That's sad, sorry, and pathetic.

 

They just can't get over the fact Pettitte and Clemens were listed. They WANT to believe Sox players juiced. And I'm not saying they didn't, and this report itself doesn't mean they didn't. So let it go. Mitchell made good.

[26 to 6]

Right' date=' but Pettitte got his through a third party that both he and Clemens knew about. The connection isn't as far fetched as you'd like to believe.[/quote']

No, you've got what i'm saying wrong. I'm not saying the connection is farfetched. Obviously it isn't because the connection appearantly exists. I was saying that prior to today who would have figured that an association exists between the seller, Radomsky; and the buyer, Pettitte.

[TheKilo]

No' date=' you've got what i'm saying wrong. I'm not saying the connection is farfetched. Obviously it isn't because the connection appearantly exists. I was saying that prior to today who would have figured that an association exists between the seller, Radomsky; and the buyer, Pettitte.[/quote']

 

Ah. Understood.

 

From section 1-A of the report:

 

I have been a consultant to the owners of the Boston Red Sox since that club was

acquired in 2002 by an ownership group led by John W. Henry. The club labels

that position “director.” I am not and have never been involved in any way in

baseball operations, and I have no vote on any decisions by the owners. I do not

now hold, nor have I in the past ever held, any ownership or other equity interest

in the Red Sox.

[RedSoxRooter]

Hmmm. If Clemens had chosen the Sox over the Yanks to come back to, would his name have been saved?

[He Hate Me]

Good points' date=' I suppose prior to today, there was little linking them to Radomski. I'm just tiring of HHM's insinuation (while completely back-pedaling when called on it) that Mitchell did something underhanded here.[/quote']

 

whoa where did I backpedal? from what? that George Mitchell was the wrong guy fr the investigation? That the perception from being on the list was unfair because there is probaly not going to be another one? That I feel Mitchell didn't go hard after the Red Sox players on a sbconcious level? When did I backpedal from this?

 

Because I tried to keep things peaceful, I am backpedaling? and if I continue to stick to my guns and be a jackass about it, then I get remarks about taking sponge baths with people.

 

Just because someone does not wish to engage in unproductive forum wars doesn't mean they backpedal. I seriously do not understand the need to constantly make snide remarks about other posters simply because they disagree with you.

[BudLight]

Personally, I do not care what names are or are not in the report. Performance enhancing drug usage in MLB, IMHO, is rampant and this list barely scratches the surface. While Senator Mitchell is to be commended for his work, this report is nothing more than a new sledgehammer driving the wedge between MLB and the MLBPA. Selig's comments yesterday were as predictable as snow in Maine in January. Again, he has the opportunity to do something positive and he blows it. His statement that each case will be looked at on an individual basis for possible disciplinary action is ridiculous. He opens the door for all kinds of legal action with that statement. In other words he stated "We still do not have a standard by which to take disciplinary action. I will make all decisions regarding any disciplinary action, arbitrarily and a case by case basis." Can't wait till he tries to take action against any of these players named, he will get his ass sued off by the MLBPA lawyers.