WEEI Rumor: Santana to Red Sox for Coco, Buchholz, Lester

[toledosoxfan]

Take it for what it's worth...but I really hope this isn't true. Buchholz is gonna be something special, and although a 1-2 combo of Beckett and Santana would be lethal, I don't think we should give up on our legit #1 pitching prospect for Johan. Thoughts?

[TheKilo]

Unless I see some documentation I doubt it's true.

[das11209]

I am OK with Coco and Lester - no way I give up Buccholz.

 

Now - if they give us Mauer - that's another story.

[Cocos Disciples]

Lmao Coco and Lester for Santana may be worse than a 4th rounder for Randy Moss, same with adding Buchholz and Mauer.

 

As for the OP, doubt it's true.

[TheKilo]

Why would the Twins make that trade when they can get Cano, Horne and Tabata for Santana?

[das11209]

Lmao Coco and Lester for Santana may be worse than a 4th rounder for Randy Moss, same with adding Buchholz and Mauer.

 

As for the OP, doubt it's true.

 

Thats why I don't like Santana - we will have to give up too much. Let the Yankees have him for Cano, Wang and Hughes.

[ORS]

Until I see it from a credible source, ie the Twins GM, I don't see any reason to think that this guy is getting traded. They should be legit contenders next year with that rotation and bullpen.

[Soxfan1]

Is Leer ready to go for next year?

[CrespoBlows]

Is Leer ready to go for next year?

 

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect him to be as dominant as he was in 2006.

[ORS]

Leer? I'm assuming this means Liriano. Those extra 3 keystrokes saved to use a nickname nobody has heard of were well thought out.

 

He's what, 12 months removed from TJ surgery? Yeah, he should be. ESPN ran this at the end of the year.

 

Twins' Liriano progressing, eyes spring training return

[soxfan17881]

OK...WEEI Rumor? What does that mean, exactly? On the website? On the radio?

 

At anyrate, I'm with Coco and Lester, but not Buchholz. And what steaming idiot would take Coco and Lster for Santana?

[jmcc]

Thats why I don't like Santana - we will have to give up too much. Let the Yankees have him for Cano' date=' Wang and Hughes.[/quote']

 

Exactly. Like I have been saying since the off season has begun, we should attempt to maintain the balance of personalities we've had on this team. We don't need to give away a bunch of the young talent that helped get us to where we are for one, albeit it quite good, lefty.

[TheKilo]

OK...WEEI Rumor? What does that mean, exactly? On the website? On the radio?

 

At anyrate, I'm with Coco and Lester, but not Buchholz. And what steaming idiot would take Coco and Lster for Santana?

 

Your avatars have been better.

[Beckett95]

id make this trade, if we can sign santana to 6 year deal worth $118mil

 

i mean its this simple: we already have the best right handed pitcher in the AL, so adding the top left handed pitcher in the AL would be unbelievable. The best 1-2 combo in all of baseball for the next 6 years possibly? Hell this might be the best 1-2 combo in the history of baseball. Making this move would also block him from going to the Yankees, who desperately need him to contend in the AL East. Lester and Bucholz are very highly rated at this time, with Lester being dominant in the world series clinching game and bucholz pitching well at the end of the regular season. crisp has no spot on this team. this is like the kevin garnett trade in my opinion. this only makes us better now and possibly in the future as we dont know how those 2 young pitchers are going to hold up. I have alot of doubts about Clay, and im not so sure he's going to be able to stay healthy especially with his size.

 

Buchholz--a career number 2/3 starter

Lester--a career number 4/5 starter

Crisp--a 4th OF, possible starter on a team with no CF

 

FOR

 

Santana--a first ballot hall of famer, Ace of the staff, and is only 29 years old

 

but anyway, i doubt this is true so i dont know why i just wasted my time.

[example1]

Leer? I'm assuming this means Liriano. Those extra 3 keystrokes saved to use a nickname nobody has heard of were well thought out.

 

:lol:

 

I laughed pretty hard when I read that.

 

They set 'em up and you knock 'em down.

 

He's what, 12 months removed from TJ surgery? Yeah, he should be. ESPN ran this at the end of the year.

 

Twins' Liriano progressing, eyes spring training return

 

He'll be in good shape and the team will be contenders again.

 

Buchholz is too much to give up there. Lester + Coco + Masterson or Bowden would be a more realistic offer from the Sox, and one which I could part with.

 

Beckett

Santana

Matsuzaka

Buchholz

Someone/Schill/Wake

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This is crap...I don't know who the new GM of the Twins is but his first move would be trading Johan Santana???...

 

Nope don't see it happening. Nor would I want to trade Clay Buchholz who might be as good as Johan Santana (Hamels like change, Beckett like curve).

 

I have something to say about Jon Lester as well....nobody really understands the cancer treatment he has had to deal with over the past year. This is his first offseason in two years he will be able to workout and strengthen his arm for a full season in pro baseball. He just won the deciding game in the World Series and suddenly we are trading him???

 

Nope just don't see it.

[example1]

id make this trade' date=' if we can sign santana to 5-6 year extension at around $20mil a year [/quote']

 

Santana's numbers haven't been as dominant the last year+ as they were before. I think 20m is a bit much for that long.

 

I have alot of doubts about Clay, and im not so sure he's going to be able to stay healthy especially with his size.

 

His size is an asset. He's bound to fill out as he ages beyond the 23 ripe years he has already. Furthermore, the player whose minor league numbers Buchholz most closely resembles is.... Josh Beckett (and Phil Hughes). We're talking about utter domination. He's not getting lucky, he's throwing sick pitches (3 different varieties).

 

My guess is that within a year or two he will be as good as--if not better than--Matsuzaka, with room for upward growth. Kid's SICK dude.

 

To have a changeup with that level of command at his age is almost unheard-of. Add to that a curveball that is as good as Beckett's (perhaps better) and a fastball in the low-mid 90's and you're talking about a really, really good pitcher.

 

My guess? There isn't enough assurance that Santana will be markedly better than Buchholz for the next 6-7 years, and given that Buchholz is essentially free, I don't see how he could be the centerpiece of any Santana deal.

 

Lester on the other hand would be a nice candidate for that.

[Beckett95]

his size may be an assett, but look at all the right handed stud pitchers his size, that had major arm issues. theres to many to list

 

i think he is going to be sick, and if he stays healthy he'll be an all-star pitcher, but i just dont see him staying healthy, i dont know why i just have a bad feeling about his arm.

 

i think this is a trade that would only happen if Buchholz is involved, and i think you trade unproven talent for proven talent, who by the way is only 5 years older than Buchholz.

 

theres no shot that Buchholz has the career Santana has

[Beckett95]

this trade is not going to happen so it doesnt really matter, but as much as id love to see Buchholz impress and dominant with the Sox, id take a 1-2 combo of Beckett and Santana for the next 5-6 years in a heartbeat.

[redsoxrules]

this trade is not going to happen so it doesnt really matter' date=' but as much as id love to see Buchholz impress and dominant with the Sox, id take a 1-2 combo of Beckett and Santana for the next 5-6 years in a heartbeat.[/quote']

 

same here

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

his size may be an assett, but look at all the right handed stud pitchers his size, that had major arm issues. theres to many to list

 

i think he is going to be sick, and if he stays healthy he'll be an all-star pitcher, but i just dont see him staying healthy, i dont know why i just have a bad feeling about his arm.

 

i think this is a trade that would only happen if Buchholz is involved, and i think you trade unproven talent for proven talent, who by the way is only 5 years older than Buchholz.

 

theres no shot that Buchholz has the career Santana has

 

I don't think I can agree with this. The Red Sox have been very careful with his innings and pitches. He is going through a strengthening program this offseason to build his arm for a full season and Clay Buchholz is not the type of pitcher who "throws" his arm out. He is more of a finesse pitcher.

 

I deffinitly can't agree with trading unproven talent for proven talent. At some point...every player is unproven talent. They are all a risk but at what point do we concede....the Red Sox front office is pretty good. Dustin Pedroia, Jonathan Papelbon, Jacoby Ellsbury, Kevin Youkilis, Manny Delcarmen, Clay Buchholz

 

There haven't been many that have sucked coming up through the Red Sox system. Not to mention those who left the Sox organization and made excellent careers elsewhere.

 

Consider this last point: Johan Santana likes playing in Minnesota. Thats a smaller market team and making the jump to Boston would be extreme, he is a quiet pitcher and I'm not sure he would come to Boston and post the same numbers that he does in Minnesota.

[jmcc]

Let's develop Lester and Buchholz, they could really be something when they truly get going. Coco must go. Trade him and possibly some others for some relief help, a real utility man who is very very versatile, or a power bench bat.

[a700hitter]

I was listening to WEEI when this was discussed. There is no basis to this rumor other than the WEEI guys throwing it out in an interview with brainless Ken Rosenthal as a possible package that could net Santana.

[yankeessuck013]

OK...WEEI Rumor? What does that mean, exactly? On the website? On the radio?

 

At anyrate, I'm with Coco and Lester, but not Buchholz. And what steaming idiot would take Coco and Lster for Santana?

 

This is not a rumor at all Sean McAdam was just bringing up some what if's for the offseason. It just kind of took off from there (I was listening as well).

[yankeessuck013]

The basic book on Santana at this point is both he and the Twins are looking for a ransom

 

Hes willing to give the Twins a discount of 21 mil per for 6 outside of Minny he is looking to be the first 25 million dollar pitcher and the Twins are looking for at least 1 major league on the brink of being an all star player and 2 A pitching prospects.

 

My problems w/ that:

 

1.Pitchers are so year to year, even one as good as Santana, that 6 years at 25 mil per is a little pricey

 

2.He didnt come up through your own teams system so you dont know how he was handled(ties into #3)

 

3.Hes got a lot of miledge on that arm for only being 27. Hes always going deep into games and you have to wonder how long he could keep it up

 

In any case hes the best in the game and left handed so he would be an upgrade for anyone and if I'm the Twins and I can get what there asking I'd prolly do it

[inkman]

Please let the Yanks give up the farm for him. I would seriously hate any trade for Santana because it would come at too high a price.

[CrespoBlows]

We could have a rotation of Beckett, Santana, Buchholz, and Lester if we waited a year.

[inkman]

We could have a rotation of Beckett' date=' Santana, Buchholz, and Lester if we waited a year.[/quote']

 

...because no other team would trade/sign Johan? :dunno:

[Mr Crunchy]

i like bringing this up just so we can make yankee asses pucker more than they already have been.

it wasnt so long ago that ny would win the world series then come down with the best pitcher and position player available.

now?

well now they look to joe girardi

someone needs to tell girardi that italian men dont need to put dippity doo in their hair unless theyre dancing the pole at the ramrod.

[BudLight]

i like bringing this up just so we can make yankee asses pucker more than they already have been.

it wasnt so long ago that ny would win the world series then come down with the best pitcher and position player available.

now?

well now they look to joe girardi

someone needs to tell girardi that italian men dont need to put dippity doo in their hair unless theyre dancing the pole at the ramrod.

 

 

"Ramrod", isn't that what you will be calling your 4/5 hitters next year after you sign A-Fraud?