Torre rejects Yankee deal

[ARod2212]

Watched the conference call on ESPNews. Surprised he turned down the deal.

 

1 year, + 1 year option. $5 million base, $1 million bonus for reaching ALDS, ALCS, and World Series. Option vesting if they reached the World Series, worth $8 million.

[BSN07]

Maybe he has just had enough. Surprising tho.

[mtbykr]

It's pretty obvious the yanks didn't want him back and offered him this lousy deal so that they could say he walked away we didn't let him go........i don't think it will fly in NY though

[TheKilo]

Good for him. He didn't deserve to get dicked around like he did.

[jacksonianmarch]

lousy deal? he had the opportunity to make more than he made last yr. BTW....

 

http://www.theretrobaby.com/store/images/icouldpee.gif

[jacksonianmarch]

AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!

 

Michael Kay is on his way out too!!!

 

Sean McDonough was quoted on an XM interview as saying that he is in negotiations with YES to be their play by play guy. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

[TheKilo]

AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!

 

Michael Kay is on his way out too!!!

 

Sean McDonough was quoted on an XM interview as saying that he is in negotiations with YES to be their play by play guy. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

 

That I'd like.

 

I bet Kay has his eyes on Dan Patrick's national radio spot.

 

I hope the Yanks hire Girardi or Mattingly. Would LOVE to see how the vets respond to that.

[jacksonianmarch]

That I'd like.

 

I bet Kay has his eyes on Dan Patrick's national radio spot.

 

I hope the Yanks hire Girardi or Mattingly. Would LOVE to see how the vets respond to that.

 

Maybe they will enjoy being managed appropriately. Jury is out on Donnie, but I like the prospects of Girardi.

 

http://byetorre.ytmnd.com/

[riverside sluggers]

Good for Torre, time for him to settle down and eventually be selected for the Hall of Fame

 

Is Kay the guy who goes "see ya" when a homerun is hit? If so, Im loving this move as well

[mtbykr]

AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!

 

Michael Kay is on his way out too!!!

 

Sean McDonough was quoted on an XM interview as saying that he is in negotiations with YES to be their play by play guy. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

 

That would be great for the fans in NY. I always wished he would get a national gig with ESPN, Fox, ect... (other than the obscure 3am division 3 college football game)

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, here are my parting shots for Mr. Torre.

 

GTFO!!! Just kidding.

 

Many people on here know that I have been advocating Torre's removal since late 2004. So this is a LOOOOOONG time coming. And at the same time, people on here continue to say that there is no evidence for wanting him gone. Well, depends on where you look.

 

#1- Look at the Yankee collapse vs the Red Sox in 2004. We had a 10.5 game lead in June and he was STILL burning out Quantrill and Gordon. So much so that they both faltered down the stretch and were integral in the collapse. That is still burned in my head. Watching Quantrill's 80mph fastball glide down the middle for the homer just makes me puke in my mouth a tiny bit. That yr we have a pen that wasnt all that great, but had 2 solid veteran MRs who were desperately overworked and didnt have to be. And this was not just one season, this was a trend that he continued over and over and over again.

 

#2- Say what you want, but having the highest payroll and the best man for man team in the league 7 yrs running without winning a WS is enough for me anyway.

 

Those are 2 things, the list continues on, but the most important one in my mind is the team he would have been getting next season. Consider this...

 

Our rotation may have 3 rookies in it next yr. Our pen could have anywhere from 2-4 rookies in it next yr in my estimation. That being said, does anyone remember what Torre did to Edwar? Brought him up, had him throw 2 of the first 3 games he was in the majors for, then sat him for 13 days. 13. Then he brings him in with the game on the line against the DRays and he gets booed off the hill. The kid goes to his locker and cries after the game. Seriously, props to Edwar for having the stones to make it back, but this is status quo for torre. he picks his 2 or 3 guys to go to, burns them out, then uses the guys who are rusty. They go out, pitch like s*** and he doesnt use them again. This is what Torre does. And with the kind of arms that we will be seeing in the majors next season, we dont have that luxury.

 

A. If Torre likes what he sees, he'll be taking those 23 and 24 yr old arms and use them until they break. Not especially useful when, if handled properly, they could be relievers in pinstripes for a long time.

 

B. And the most important IMO is Torre's handling of the staff. Torre trusts no rookie and I can understand that philosophy. But he is paranoid of the guys. He has no issue with pulling a guy in the 5th when they are in the slightest bit of trouble. Eventually, the guys have to work out of it. And THEN, when they prove themselves, he will hang them out to dry. We dont need that. We are going to have young pitchers on both ends who need to be handled carefully, and that is just not who Joe Torre is. Hence, although I could name many times where Torre has killed us, both in season and in the post season, I think the biggest reason he needs to go is the personell of the team. It doesnt suit him and alot of drafting and prepping can be ruined by a guy like him. Enjoy retirement Joe.

[YAZMAN]

I used to love him and Monty calling games on WSBK-38.

[das11209]

Good for Torre, time for him to settle down and eventually be selected for the Hall of Fame

 

Is Kay the guy who goes "see ya" when a homerun is hit? If so, Im loving this move as well

 

He is the guy.

[26 to 6]

AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER!!!

 

Michael Kay is on his way out too!!!

 

Sean McDonough was quoted on an XM interview as saying that he is in negotiations with YES to be their play by play guy. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

More like YIKES!!!!!! f*** Sean McDonough. Anybody have any other info on this?

 

 

As for Joe, while alot of people see the offer as disrespectful and unfair I dont think it was that bad at all. While being asked to take a paycut, he has the opportunity to get a pay raise. And if he made it to the series he gets his second year, and wish to manage the Yankees in the new stadium. But we really have to reserve judgement for now, at least until we hear Joe's side of it. At this point the story reflects well on the Yankees, but there has to be another aspect to the story.

[redsoxrules]

Well, here are my parting shots for Mr. Torre.

 

GTFO!!! Just kidding.

 

Many people on here know that I have been advocating Torre's removal since late 2004. So this is a LOOOOOONG time coming. And at the same time, people on here continue to say that there is no evidence for wanting him gone. Well, depends on where you look.

 

#1- Look at the Yankee collapse vs the Red Sox in 2004. We had a 10.5 game lead in June and he was STILL burning out Quantrill and Gordon. So much so that they both faltered down the stretch and were integral in the collapse. That is still burned in my head. Watching Quantrill's 80mph fastball glide down the middle for the homer just makes me puke in my mouth a tiny bit. That yr we have a pen that wasnt all that great, but had 2 solid veteran MRs who were desperately overworked and didnt have to be. And this was not just one season, this was a trend that he continued over and over and over again.

 

#2- Say what you want, but having the highest payroll and the best man for man team in the league 7 yrs running without winning a WS is enough for me anyway.

 

Those are 2 things, the list continues on, but the most important one in my mind is the team he would have been getting next season. Consider this...

 

Our rotation may have 3 rookies in it next yr. Our pen could have anywhere from 2-4 rookies in it next yr in my estimation. That being said, does anyone remember what Torre did to Edwar? Brought him up, had him throw 2 of the first 3 games he was in the majors for, then sat him for 13 days. 13. Then he brings him in with the game on the line against the DRays and he gets booed off the hill. The kid goes to his locker and cries after the game. Seriously, props to Edwar for having the stones to make it back, but this is status quo for torre. he picks his 2 or 3 guys to go to, burns them out, then uses the guys who are rusty. They go out, pitch like s*** and he doesnt use them again. This is what Torre does. And with the kind of arms that we will be seeing in the majors next season, we dont have that luxury.

 

A. If Torre likes what he sees, he'll be taking those 23 and 24 yr old arms and use them until they break. Not especially useful when, if handled properly, they could be relievers in pinstripes for a long time.

 

B. And the most important IMO is Torre's handling of the staff. Torre trusts no rookie and I can understand that philosophy. But he is paranoid of the guys. He has no issue with pulling a guy in the 5th when they are in the slightest bit of trouble. Eventually, the guys have to work out of it. And THEN, when they prove themselves, he will hang them out to dry. We dont need that. We are going to have young pitchers on both ends who need to be handled carefully, and that is just not who Joe Torre is. Hence, although I could name many times where Torre has killed us, both in season and in the post season, I think the biggest reason he needs to go is the personell of the team. It doesnt suit him and alot of drafting and prepping can be ruined by a guy like him. Enjoy retirement Joe.

 

 

dont forget his s***** moves in these playoffs , having wang start game 1 and 4 , jeter batting 176 with 1RBI, posada hitting 133 with 0RBI, matsui 182 with 0RBI, cabrera 188

 

that f***ing joe torre, if someone else would have been coaching CMW would have had 2 CC shutouts and jeter,posada,matsui and cabrera would have hit over 300 with 5 RBI's each and the yanks would have swept the Guardians

[ORS]

More like YIKES!!!!!! f*** Sean McDonough. Anybody have any other info on this?

 

 

As for Joe, while alot of people see the offer as disrespectful and unfair I dont think it was that bad at all. While being asked to take a paycut, he has the opportunity to get a pay raise. And if he made it to the series he gets his second year, and wish to manage the Yankees in the new stadium. But we really have to reserve judgement for now, at least until we hear Joe's side of it. At this point the story reflects well on the Yankees, but there has to be another aspect to the story.

Please. Anyone who's seen the drivel from when you posted regularly knows that this is the only possible answer you would opine. You're on record stating that the Sox always run their heroes out of town while the Yankees "honor" them until the end. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling. There are ugly goodbyes for every franchise, and the way Torre was treated was ugly. Don't worry, I don't expect you to see it for what it is. The realization that your self-imposed air of superiority is a farce might make your head pop.

[jacksonianmarch]

Our players dont typically leave with angst. Our managers always do.

[ORS]

Our players dont typically leave with angst. Our managers always do.

Offseason ain't over yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

even if these guys leave, we wont butcher them. Well, maybe ARod since he is still under contract.

[a700hitter]

even if these guys leave' date=' we wont butcher them. Well, maybe ARod since he is still under contract.[/quote']Sheffield would say that you treat the African American players different from the whit players.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sheffield would say that you treat the African American players different from the whit players.

 

sheffield is a racist.

[BoSox21]

glad Torre turned it down. What Steinbrenner did to him towards the end of the year was totally classless

[Ray10]

He should reject it he gets trashed around every single year. The big boss basically puts any loss that the Yankees take on Toree saying he's going to fire him for not winning in the playoffs year after year. Did George ever think that maybe it's his team and not his manager that needs some shaping up.

[a700hitter]

He should reject it he gets trashed around every single year. The big boss basically puts any loss that the Yankees take on Toree saying he's going to fire him for not winning in the playoffs year after year. Did George ever think that maybe it's his team and not his manager that needs some shaping up.

He's also made him obscenely rich for being nothing more than a turn-key manager.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's also made him obscenely rich for being nothing more than a turn-key manager.

 

that was the problem. He managed on autopilot while ruining young arm after young arm.

[Gom]

I have lost a shitload of respect for Torre.

 

Lets look at it from a different angle.

 

You have been given the highest payroll in the game for four years running, and have been eliminated in the first round three times, and presided over the biggest choke in post-season history in the other. You have burned out your pen nearly every season. In return for this, you were the highest paid manager in all of baseball by DOUBLE the salary of the number two guy in baseball.

 

Now...to come back after another failed season, in which your team overcame a terrible spot to get into the playoffs, you failed to pull your team off the field when a plague of bugs attacked your pitcher, who was obviously struggling. You used your wunderkid reliever in a game in which you had a five run lead, rendering him ordinary if needed in an elimination game. You have repeatedly shown how you have no idea how to manage a pen that doesn't have three awesome relievers.

 

In response to this, we will offer you a salary that keeps you as the HIGHEST MANAGER IN BASEBALL. We will guarantee your salary if you win the pennant next year. In other words, we will give you the chance to EARN your pay. It's called an INCENTIVE.

 

You refuse it?

 

You refuse a deal that makes you the highest paid manager in baseball by nearly 50%? After a season in which you didn't meet the expectations of your owner, fans, and city? A salary that would have been incrased to nearly THREE TIMES the next highest manager if you won the pennant [which, if all players come back, you have a great chance of doing]? WHAT AN *******.

 

The only thing Torre has done is show me that he is as bad at managing contracts as he is a bullpen. Good riddance. Seriously.

 

In Torre's tenure, he won four championships in twelve years. Considering the talent he was given, I find it very difficult to believe that any manager in the game couldn't have done the same.

 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[Taliesin]

the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song

[jacksonianmarch]

Mo was quoted as saying the yankees are "just one of 30 teams" after the news broke yesterday. If he wants to bolt, then thanks for the memories and the draft picks. We dont need to go long term on Mo anyway. He's 38 and a reliever, bad combo. Same with Posada. I love those two guys, but I think we could set ourselves up for the future with their departures.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I have to admit I'm kinda getting very annoyed with some of the comments Rivera has made since the end of the season. Why is he so hung up on not getting a deal done in spring training? This is the same team that has made him how much money? This team has given him millions and millions of dollars and he feels "disrespected" because the Yankees didnt get a deal done in Spring Training? He sounds like a little baby. I wish I was that disrespected.

[jacksonianmarch]

hey, we can take the small drop in production going from Rivera to F. Cordero while moving up in the draft order and getting a supplemental in the process. SWEET. I hope some team gives Mo all he wants and more. The guy was out of this world and I love the guy, but if he wants out then so be it.