Who would you take Part II? Cano or Pedroia?

[yankees228]

Beckett got shelled last year, and he's a Cy Young candidate this year.

 

Rivera blew the lead tonight, and almost blew it last night. He had a horrible start to the season. You're not giving up on him, right? Why? Track record.

 

Overall, Gagne gave up a big homerun to Miguel Tejada (not the first to do that) and gave up runs to a streaking Balitmore team... a la Mariano Rivera tonight. I just don't think it is that big a deal. s*** happens and he's having a hard time finding his role and his groove. he will.

 

I completely agree with almost everything you said, but you would have to admit, the runs that Gagne gave up were in a completely different fashion than the run Mo gave up.

[Gom]

You have sex with fat girls? GIRLS? I understand one' date=' but why keep it up, unless you're into that sort of thing?? sorry, couldn't help it.[/quote']

 

It's a cult thing. You wouldn't understand. Zero sum game.

[jacksonianmarch]

Beckett got shelled last year, and he's a Cy Young candidate this year.

 

Rivera blew the lead tonight, and almost blew it last night. He had a horrible start to the season. You're not giving up on him, right? Why? Track record.

 

Overall, Gagne gave up a big homerun to Miguel Tejada (not the first to do that) and gave up runs to a streaking Balitmore team... a la Mariano Rivera tonight. I just don't think it is that big a deal. s*** happens and he's having a hard time finding his role and his groove. he will.

 

Rivera gave up bloop hits that fell in. Gagne gave up missile after missile. Then came in the next game and gave up a missile over the fence. You have a guy with a loss of his arsenal per se and most likely come tired arm component.

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Rivera gave up bloop hits that fell in. Gagne gave up missile after missile. Then came in the next game and gave up a missile over the fence. You have a guy with a loss of his arsenal per se and most likely come tired arm component.

 

Gameday says he gave up 3 hits in the inning. Are you saying he only gave up a bloop single and blew the lead? Nice try.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gameday says he gave up 3 hits in the inning. Are you saying he only gave up a bloop single and blew the lead? Nice try.

 

there was a bloop single to Cabrera that he fielded and threw out the runner at home, and then the bloop single to Abreu. So yes, I am saying he wasnt hit hard, just bloopers.

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there was a bloop single to Cabrera that he fielded and threw out the runner at home' date=' and then the bloop single to Abreu. So yes, I am saying he wasnt hit hard, just bloopers.[/quote']

 

The point is that, given ANY small sample size, a pitcher can look good or bad. He's not the Sox closer, he was a mid-season acquisition and needs time to adjust to the new team, park, role, etc.,

[jacksonianmarch]

The point is that' date=' given ANY small sample size, a pitcher can look good or bad. He's not the Sox closer, he was a mid-season acquisition and needs time to adjust to the new team, park, role, etc.,[/quote']

 

That is true. But this "small sample size" goes back 9 outings where he has this line...

 

8IP 16H 10ER 2HR 2BB 8K

 

And in his last 2 outings, every single ball was a laser. Rivera has given up one hard hit ball over his last 2 outing (the double to Gutierrez) while Gagne gave up the lasers to Patterson, Markakis, Huff, and Tejada in back to back appearances.

[jacksonianmarch]

you want to chalk it up to adjustments? The guy is a 3 month rental, he has no time to "adjust". If he needs an adjustment period then you might as well relegate him to mopup duty and not use him.

[rician blast]

It's a cult thing. You wouldn't understand. Zero sum game.

 

I remember Andrew Dice Clay doing his stand-up, talking about picking up girls.

 

He said he goes for the big ones...and thinks "no one has even THOUGHT of fkng that...I'm gonna make her mine," as he lures her back to his place with promises of bon-bons and chocolate kisses, greases her hips to get her through the door, etc.

 

How could someone not see the appeal?

[ORS]

My best friend in HS had a theory. He called it GUE. Go Ugly Early. The premise was that guys essentially blocked each other out when going after the hot girl at a party, and only went after the ugly ones after all other options were gone, and the ugly girls knew it, so they weren't interested either. So, he went after the ugly ones from the get go. Gotta say, it worked well for him.

[Gom]

Your friend and I are of the same cult. Turn the lights off, they all look the same. Since I don't intend her to be there when the sun comes up, it makes little difference to me.

[VA Sox Fan]

My best friend in HS had a theory. He called it GUE. Go Ugly Early. The premise was that guys essentially blocked each other out when going after the hot girl at a party' date=' and only went after the ugly ones after all other options were gone, and the ugly girls knew it, so they weren't interested either. So, he went after the ugly ones from the get go. Gotta say, it worked well for him.[/quote']

 

John Nash (Russell Crowe) did that in A Beautiful Mind

[soxfan51]

I'll take Dustin ...for two reasons

1) Sometimes Cano seems to lose focus and not care.

2) I'm a homer.

[ksushi]

Pedroia swings and misses only 8% of the time. Every AB is a GREAT AB. He wears a pitcher down and hits the cover off the ball. I'll take Dustin, but I like Robbie.

[TheKilo]

That is true. But this "small sample size" goes back 9 outings where he has this line...

 

8IP 16H 10ER 2HR 2BB 8K

 

And in his last 2 outings, every single ball was a laser. Rivera has given up one hard hit ball over his last 2 outing (the double to Gutierrez) while Gagne gave up the lasers to Patterson, Markakis, Huff, and Tejada in back to back appearances.

 

lol that part about Rivera changed a bit didn't it.

 

FIRE TORRE

[jacksonianmarch]

lol that part about Rivera changed a bit didn't it.

 

FIRE TORRE

 

yeah it has.

[Gom]

Pedroia swings and misses only 8% of the time. Every AB is a GREAT AB. He wears a pitcher down and hits the cover off the ball. I'll take Dustin' date=' but I like Robbie.[/quote']

 

To be honest, Pedroia gets the most out of his talent, which isn't all that much. Cano has barely scratched the surface of his, and is still better in the field and at the plate. If he puts it together, he may have a HOF career.

[jacksonianmarch]

To be honest' date=' Pedroia gets the most out of his talent, which isn't all that much. Cano has barely scratched the surface of his, and is still better in the field and at the plate. If he puts it together, he may have a HOF career.[/quote']

 

Cano will be our #3 hitter eventually. He is not even 25 and he has already had 3 seasons under his belt with a .316 career BA. He hits for power, for doubles and for average. And an encouraging sign is that he has doubled his IsoPatience from last season, showing a bit more restraint at the plate. And especially recently with 2 3 walk games in the past month. I think Pedroia will be a wonderful #2 hitter a la Loretta in his prime, but Cano has the frame and the track record to think he'll keep swinging and add some more power. He'll be a big time, long term sign when he gets closer to FA.

[TheKilo]

2008 stats:

 

[table]Player|AVG.|OBP|SLG|OPS|HR|RBI|WS|RC

Cano|.264|.303|.395|.698|10|54|9|45

Pedroia|.319|.363|.457|.820|10|55|15|72[/table]

 

EQA:

Pedroia - .278

Cano - .233

 

VORP:

Pedroia - 36.4

Cano - 2.8

 

WARP1/WARP2/WARP3:

 

Pedroia: 5.8/7.7/9.5

Cano: 2.9/4.5/5.5

 

When do we revisit this discussion?

[Mr Crunchy]

jesus christ mj,every time you predict these insane visions of grandeur on your guys they turn to s***.

your # 3 hitter is being cruciified and after watching him play yesterday i dont think hes worth s***,certainly not along the level of our guy

[YAZMAN]

jesus christ mj,every time you predict these insane visions of grandeur on your guys they turn to s***.

your # 3 hitter is being cruciified and after watching him play yesterday i dont think hes worth s***,certainly not along the level of our guy

 

He is the KISS OF DEATH incarnate.

[Mr Crunchy]

remember the predictions of 2005?

randy johnson would win 30

pavano 25

jarrett wright 18 etc...my god what f***ing madness and futility

[TheKilo]

WARP1 says Pedroia is twice the player Cano is this season.

 

Think about that.

[a700hitter]

WARP1 says Pedroia is twice the player Cano is this season.

 

Think about that.

But Bobby Meacham declared on national TV that Robinson Cano was the "best second baseman in baseball, bar none." I wonder if he was only taking into account active players?

[Gom]

Cano sucks. He regressed big time this year.

 

Guys, let Jacko off the hook with you "Kiss of Death" routine. He just doesn't know enough about baseball. He does the best he can with the time he has when he's not at the hospital. All he has is time to read what the Yankees front office tells him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Since May 1

 

.300/.333/.446

 

SLG is a bit low. The IsoP is right where it usually is. It is just that his abysmal april was so bad that it skews his numbers.

 

So no, Gom, he doesnt suck. You do

[Gom]

WARP1 says Pedroia is twice the player Cano is this season.

 

Think about that.

Kilo makes the point about the season....

Since May 1

 

.300/.333/.446

 

SLG is a bit low. The IsoP is right where it usually is. It is just that his abysmal april was so bad that it skews his numbers.

...Jacko tells him that April is not considered part of the season.

 

You decide.

[TheKilo]

Since May 1:

 

.325/.369/.471

 

Cano was helped by interleague as well.

 

Cano's interleague stats:

 

.317/.348/.483

[jacksonianmarch]

Again, your comments are laughable for someone who considers himself a yankee fan. Thing is, YOU DONT KNOW s*** ABOUT THE PLAYERS YOU SUPPOSEDLY ROOT FOR. As always, f***ing dumbass.

 

Baseball is a game of streaks and consistency. And while players go into good and bad stretches, all players have at least one horrendous streak during their careers that skew a season from the norm. Jeter had his in 2004, when he hit .292 (second lowest of his career until this yr) but rebounded to hit .309 then .343 the next 2 yrs. You cannot evaluate a player based upon their streaks. Some good (see Xavier Nady) and some bad (like Cano). That being said, Cano is fitting more and more into the mold of a player who will be an all field hitter with gap power. My main concern is that he isnt developing the power I thought he would. The BA will be there as it has been since April. That being said, Pedroia IS developing and right now he is the better player. If Cano's game grows into his body, then it wont be close. We'll see how he develops. Right now, Cano is a lot more raw than Pedroia, who at 25 is looking like a finished product.

[Mr Crunchy]

mj

the kid turned into a f***ing giabrone once they payed him

he has the dance routine down with cabrerra but the fact is he isnt hustling, he doenst play the field well and his power #s are identical to our 170lb 2bman who would eat your guys lunch while ass f***ing his wife...

cano has regressed and acts as if hes accomplished something proffesionally,its too bad because the talent is there