Pre-Trade Suggestions...Start by Benching Crisp and Lugo IMMEDIATELY...then..

[CrespoBlows]

Try Bowden and Baker to Texas. That would make the most sense. Texas got a fair amount of pitching in the draft this yr. Add to that the prospects of Bowden and Baker and they could make a run at it in about 2-3 yrs.

 

This would make more sense.

[SCM33]

So next year.....are we going to have yet ANOTHER starting SS on opening day? Say what you want about Renteria, or the "weak" hitting Alex Gonzalez.......but I would take either of those players back in a heartbeat.......especially since Lugo has been awful at the plate, and IMO subpar in the field. Stats aside, everytime he fields the ball im expecting him to throw it away....dont know why, just a feeling I get.

 

As far as Coco Crisp......honestly, he looks like he doesnt belong in professional baseball at this point, and im completely serious. 90 MPH fastballs down the heart of the plate eat him up.....hes late and pops it up. He looks like a highschool kid facing a bige leaguer just trying to make contact. His ABs are painful to watch and I think it is clear that whatever ability he once had......is gone. I cant believe this guy put up good numbers in Cleveland bc he is absolutely lost at the plate. In my time watching the redsox, i cant think of a worse all around hitter in an everyday lineup for the redsox. Even Darren Lewis could hit at least .240..plus play GG OF.

 

Help me out guys...is there anyone worse than Coco Crisp who has been a regular for the BoSox over the last 10 years? Keep in mind the total package too.....power, eye, contact, strike zone judgement and overall stats. I really cant think of one.

[NomahsHammSammich]

So next year.....are we going to have yet ANOTHER starting SS on opening day? Say what you want about Renteria, or the "weak" hitting Alex Gonzalez.......but I would take either of those players back in a heartbeat.......especially since Lugo has been awful at the plate, and IMO subpar in the field. Stats aside, everytime he fields the ball im expecting him to throw it away....dont know why, just a feeling I get.

 

As far as Coco Crisp......honestly, he looks like he doesnt belong in professional baseball at this point, and im completely serious. 90 MPH fastballs down the heart of the plate eat him up.....hes late and pops it up. He looks like a highschool kid facing a bige leaguer just trying to make contact. His ABs are painful to watch and I think it is clear that whatever ability he once had......is gone. I cant believe this guy put up good numbers in Cleveland bc he is absolutely lost at the plate. In my time watching the redsox, i cant think of a worse all around hitter in an everyday lineup for the redsox. Even Darren Lewis could hit at least .240..plus play GG OF.

 

Help me out guys...is there anyone worse than Coco Crisp who has been a regular for the BoSox over the last 10 years? Keep in mind the total package too.....power, eye, contact, strike zone judgement and overall stats. I really cant think of one.

 

 

Lugo.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Well....I think Drew may just turn out to be a good leadoff hitter. Takes the pressure of having to be a POWER guy off him.. He could turn into a Brady Anderson type leadoff guy(minus the juice).. Drew has BIG-TIME power..especially to Right Center..that ball he hit last night was absolutely CRUSHED. I would have liked to see him knock in some more runs..but I think he could be a great table setter, along with Pedroia. Now we need to find a #5 hitter..lol.. I feel like we are the little boy trying to plug the dike..

 

I love the Texeira idea, ...he should have been ours anyhow.

[Gom]

I don't follow the Sox all that closely except for the standings..but why not lead off with Pedroia?

[adam123]

I think a Youk Pedoria top 2 would be great.

[schillingouttheks]

I don't follow the Sox all that closely except for the standings..but why not lead off with Pedroia?

 

It's working for them right now, lol.

 

They led off with Pedroia when they beat the Rockies before they lost the next two. I don't know why they changed it. It was Pedroia - Youk for the 1 - 2.

 

But we're winning more than losing with Drew at the top and he's doing a great job so far. I love Lowell but if his hand/wrist is causing too much of a problem than we're to need to try to make a move for Teixeira or Helton and plug him in the 5 hole. Lowell should be hitting fifth now anyway, but he's in a slump recently.

[seabeachfred]

Well....I think Drew may just turn out to be a good leadoff hitter. Takes the pressure of having to be a POWER guy off him.. He could turn into a Brady Anderson type leadoff guy(minus the juice).. Drew has BIG-TIME power..especially to Right Center..that ball he hit last night was absolutely CRUSHED. I would have liked to see him knock in some more runs..but I think he could be a great table setter, along with Pedroia. Now we need to find a #5 hitter..lol.. I feel like we are the little boy trying to plug the dike..

 

I love the Texeira idea, ...he should have been ours anyhow.

 

Most of us would Tiexiera but the Rangers don't seem anxious to trade him. I wish we could re-plug Drew in the fifth spot and put Pedroia and Youk one-two. That would give us two good hitters at the top and three run producers in the heart of our lineup where the power should be. Be that as is may, I would accept any lineup that results in us getting more wins.

[Anuj09]

Francona said that Youk isnt comfortable in the lead-off spot. i think i was reading this in a mailbag thing at redsox.com

[Gom]

You are going to win more than lose with Ortiz leading off. That's because you are a good team. I just think you are more efficient with Pedroia leading off.

[schillingouttheks]

You are going to win more than lose with Ortiz leading off. That's because you are a good team. I just think you are more efficient with Pedroia leading off.

 

Fair enough. I personally think Drew is this team's fifth hitter and I would put Pedroia and Youk as the 1-2 before Ortiz-Manny-Drew, but I can also see why they want to use Drew there. Despite his average, he has gotten on base a lot and he actually does have some wheels to complement that. So, we'll see.

 

Beware: If Coco continues to mash like he has been recently, maybe we'll see a change at the top of lineup. I don't want that to happen because I think he needs to stay just where he is (he's not hurting anyone when he's hitting that well down at the bottom of the lineup), but we may see it.

[schillingouttheks]

Most of us would Tiexiera but the Rangers don't seem anxious to trade him.

 

From espn.com's "Scouts Inc. Briefing Room" :

 

News:

Jun. 19

 

General manager Jon Daniels will consider trading Teixeira if the proposed deal is compelling enough, reports the Star-Telegram. 3:26 PM

 

I think the Sox would be able to compel him.

[A Fast Ball Called Fear]

Seems to me like the Sox will need additional pitching to put em over the top. With Schilling sucking it hard and Wakefield not putting up as many quality starts latley it seems like the Sox are gonna wait for Manny and Ortiz to pick up their power numbers and wait on Drew, Lugo, and Crisp to come around. I don't know what the Jon Lester situation is but it seems like the Sox going after Andruw Jones and Ken Griffey Jr are no-brainers.

[BSN07]

Nommah you are the biggest fair weather fan on this board. Look at your post ripping Drew, then he turns it around and starts hitting like alot of us said he would. Now your talking as if you never thought he sucked. All the sudden he has big time power and can be a great leadoff hitter.... Your a Joke...

[jacksonianmarch]

From espn.com's "Scouts Inc. Briefing Room" :

 

 

 

I think the Sox would be able to compel him.

 

they are saying the yankees might enter the fray. Something I wouldnt be opposed to, but since we really dont need hitting at this juncture, I'd assume the price would have to be right. They were suggesting a Melky, Kennedy, and mid level pitching prospect for Tex. I'd do that so long as Chamberlain, Hughes, Betances and the other power prospects are left alone. I'd still miss Kennedy, but he is the most dealable chip at this moment.

[riverside sluggers]

I can see you dont want Chamberlain to go Jacko. Because I saw them mention:

Melky Cabrera, Kennedy or Chamberlain, and a lower level prospect

[seabeachfred]

From espn.com's "Scouts Inc. Briefing Room" :

 

 

 

I think the Sox would be able to compel him.

 

I would be the first one to say I was glad to be wrong if we could land a player like Teixiera. A switch hitter who can hit for both average and power, with more emphasis on the fact that he can his consistently and is not a strikeout threat like some other power hitters in the league. Of course, are you ready to empty part of the bank to get him? I know who the Rangers will ask for; check that, I think I know who they will ask for and so do you. Would it be worth trading Bucholz and Ellsbury for the guy? If it wasn't those two I would go for it in two shakes of Crespo's alleged brain.

[CrespoBlows]

I would be the first one to say I was glad to be wrong if we could land a player like Teixiera. A switch hitter who can hit for both average and power, with more emphasis on the fact that he can his consistently and is not a strikeout threat like some other power hitters in the league. Of course, are you ready to empty part of the bank to get him? I know who the Rangers will ask for; check that, I think I know who they will ask for and so do you. Would it be worth trading Bucholz and Ellsbury for the guy? If it wasn't those two I would go for it in two shakes of Crespo's alleged brain.

 

Fred, you really need to start doing some research. Again, you completely miss on your facts.

 

Teixeira, whose name you misspell, averages 130 strikeouts per year. He's lucky he got hurt, or he'd be in the top five in strikeouts in 2007.

 

You're as bright as the sun is as, at 3:00 AM.

[BoSox21]

fred, where the hell would you put Teixeira?

[schillingouttheks]

fred' date=' where the hell would you put Teixeira?[/quote']

 

If you have a guy like Teixeira, you make room for him. If they were to move Teixeira they probably would already have plans for Lowell while moving Youk to third.

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

I would be the first one to say I was glad to be wrong if we could land a player like Teixiera. A switch hitter who can hit for both average and power' date=' with more emphasis on the fact that he can his consistently and is not a strikeout threat like some other power hitters in the league. Of course, are you ready to empty part of the bank to get him? I know who the Rangers will ask for; check that, I think I know who they will ask for and so do you. Would it be worth trading Bucholz and Ellsbury for the guy? If it wasn't those two I would go for it in two shakes of Crespo's alleged brain.[/quote']

 

The guy averages 120 Ks a year, and he is a Boras client. Last I checked you need to empty out your bank to sign any Boras client, and he will test the FA market so you can forget about him signing an extension after the trade. Lastly, I am sure the Rangers do not want any talent in return for an All-Star infielder. Tell me do you think the Red Sox would show some interest in trading a bag of used baseballs for A-Rod?

[SCM33]

If you have a guy like Teixeira' date=' you make room for him. If they were to move Teixeira they probably would already have plans for Lowell while moving Youk to third.[/quote']

 

Metrocowboy is right. No need to rent him for half a season, because there is no way he returns with the money borassssss demands at the end of the year.

[schillingouttheks]

Metrocowboy is right. No need to rent him for half a season' date=' because there is no way he returns with the money borassssss demands at the end of the year.[/quote']

 

I don't think they'd rent him, I was just saying what I expect to happen if they do indeed end up with him.

[Beckett95]

Anyone else starting to notice Drew and Crisp may be heating up??

 

Crisp has his average up to .250 now, and has hit .308 in June with 3 HR

 

Drew's average is up to .243 and he's hitting .291 in June with 4 HR. His OBP is only at .344 this month but his SLG% has gone up to .582 during June.

 

 

 

Lugo on the otherhand, is just continuing to get worse. He's batting .109 in June with a .183 OBP and .172 SLG%. Has only 2 extra base hits in june in 64 AB's. And his RBI totals are way down from last month, only 4 in June. Hitting .201 on the season, he needs to go and we need to find an MLB SS.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Lugo's hitting the ball, but he can't buy a hit. Ex: last night, Varitek forced at third

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

The Sox should not trade for Teixeira. He would not fill a hole in our offense (1B or 3B ) and would cost one, two or maybe even three of our top prospects. Trading for Griffey would help the offense A LOT more because 1) CF is a hole and 2) Teixeira is preforming about the same as Lowell and Youk.

 

Drew

Pedroia

Papi

Manny

Griffey

Youk

Lowell

Tek

Lugo

 

Minor League system: subtract Bowden?

 

or...

 

Drew

Pedroia

Papi

Manny

Teixeira

Youk/ Lowell

Tek

Crisp

Lugo

 

Minor League system: subtract Bowden/ Buc/ Lester + others...

 

I'd much rather have the former.

[Beckett95]

can Griffey still play CF??

[schillingouttheks]

...Coco Crisp has been the best hitter on this team over the past two weeks. His defense has won us some games and if he keeps hitting like this he won't be a problem.

 

As far as filling a hole goes...yeah, Teixeira would. I would only deal for him if they intended on giving him a big, lengthy contract though. Of course, we could have already had him if Duke didn't have terrible people skills (I realize he did a lot of other good things, so let's stay clear of this thread turning into a pro-Duke vs. anti-Duke debate....kthx). Anyway, you know that Lowell is going to hit that inevitable regression at some point in the season. His contract also expires at the end of the year. If they nabbed Teixeira and moved Youk to third (obviously you lose a little defense at third, but Youk can play a hell of a third base if given the spot...and obviously Teixeira is very smooth defensively), then I would expect that they planned on extending him for what they would have to give up to get him.

 

That said, the Rangers seem to get ripped off in most of their trades, especially young guys. I would part with Bard and his high heat and Moss/Murphy to grab Teixeira. Maybe they could be convinced that Bard can be a SP? His fastball is quite tempting, even though his control is a bit of a concern. If you were dealing with any other front office you'd probably have to part with Lester/Buchholz/Bowden and some others to get him, but thank God we're dealing with the Rangers I don't know if that would actually get it done, but it's a thought....

[schillingouttheks]

can Griffey still play CF??

 

Psh, not better than Crisp. Griffey can say he can still play all he wants; he can't play it that well.

 

Crisp has been the best hitter on the team for the past two weeks anyway (as I just mentioned in my previous post), so let's wait a bit on CF. He changed his swing and he's been red-hot.

[adam123]

He thinks he still can but his legs are getting old not as quick as he used to be.