Pre-Trade Suggestions...Start by Benching Crisp and Lugo IMMEDIATELY...then..

[seabeachfred]

fred' date=' where the hell would you put Teixeira?[/quote']

 

BoSox, if the question was this year, you would have me cold. I wouldn't be able to say anything but "we'd have to find someplace to play him." Since the chances of getting him this year seem small at the present time I was thinking about next year. Though there is no definitive proof most people on this board are convinced that Lowell is a gone goose after this season. If that's the case, Tex plays first and Youk is moved to third. If somehow we swing a trade for the guy, Francona can play roulette the rest of the season with his roster, but be advised Teixiera would be in that lineup 90% of the time. Just my opinion.

[seabeachfred]

Metrocowboy is right. No need to rent him for half a season, because there is no way he returns with the money borassssss demands at the end of the year.[/quote

 

Yes, Cowboy is right on that one, but my impression was that Tiexiera was not a free agent until the end of the 2008 season. Can somebody out there in the know check that out. My take is that if we traded for the guy we would lock him up with a four or five year contract and it would cost money because he has the biggest prick in the world as his agent.

[schillingouttheks]

From http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html

 

Mark Teixeira 1b

2 years/$15.4M (2006-07)

 

He's a FA after this season.

[seabeachfred]

...Coco Crisp has been the best hitter on this team over the past two weeks. His defense has won us some games and if he keeps hitting like this he won't be a problem.

 

As far as filling a hole goes...yeah, Teixeira would. I would only deal for him if they intended on giving him a big, lengthy contract though. Of course, we could have already had him if Duke didn't have terrible people skills (I realize he did a lot of other good things, so let's stay clear of this thread turning into a pro-Duke vs. anti-Duke debate....kthx). Anyway, you know that Lowell is going to hit that inevitable regression at some point in the season. His contract also expires at the end of the year. If they nabbed Teixeira and moved Youk to third (obviously you lose a little defense at third, but Youk can play a hell of a third base if given the spot...and obviously Teixeira is very smooth defensively), then I would expect that they planned on extending him for what they would have to give up to get him.

 

That said, the Rangers seem to get ripped off in most of their trades, especially young guys. I would part with Bard and his high heat and Moss/Murphy to grab Teixeira. Maybe they could be convinced that Bard can be a SP? His fastball is quite tempting, even though his control is a bit of a concern. If you were dealing with any other front office you'd probably have to part with Lester/Buchholz/Bowden and some others to get him, but thank God we're dealing with the Rangers I don't know if that would actually get it done, but it's a thought....

 

I'm afraid I cannot be objective about Teixiera; I just love the guy the way he plays and what he brings to a team. I know this: He said he wants to play for a winner, and I think we are a winning team. Switch hitting power hitter who can hit for a decent average. I rechecked his record and must admit I didn't know he struck out as much as he did (MC filled me in) but a good professional hitter who can hit for both power and average can adjust and mature with experience to cut down his strikeouts. It's been done countless times before.

[seabeachfred]

From http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html

 

 

 

He's a FA after this season.

 

Thank you sir. THEN BY ALL MEANS GO AFTER HIM WITH ALL DUE SPEED.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm afraid I cannot be objective about Teixiera; I just love the guy the way he plays and what he brings to a team. I know this: He said he wants to play for a winner' date=' and I think we are a winning team. Switch hitting power hitter who can hit for a decent average. I rechecked his record and must admit I didn't know he struck out as much as he did (MC filled me in) but a good professional hitter who can hit for both power and average can adjust and mature with experience to cut down his strikeouts. It's been done countless times before.[/quote']

 

Really?

 

Name a few.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm afraid I cannot be objective about Teixiera; I just love the guy the way he plays and what he brings to a team. I know this: He said he wants to play for a winner' date=' and I think we are a winning team. Switch hitting power hitter who can hit for a decent average. I rechecked his record and must admit I didn't know he struck out as much as he did (MC filled me in) but a good professional hitter who can hit for both power and average can adjust and mature with experience to cut down his strikeouts. It's been done countless times before.[/quote']

 

I really don't care if he strikes out a lot. With the numbers he can put up, his strikeouts are the least of my concerns. Besides, a strikeout is no different from a routine fly out or groundout. In certain circumstances it's better than a groundball...it avoids the doubleplay.

 

I also don't know of many people who have cut down strikeouts. Who has?

[seabeachfred]

I really don't care if he strikes out a lot. With the numbers he can put up, his strikeouts are the least of my concerns. Besides, a strikeout is no different from a routine fly out or groundout. In certain circumstances it's better than a groundball...it avoids the doubleplay.

 

I also don't know of many people who have cut down strikeouts. Who has?

 

Schill, remember that I am an old war horse and go back to my New York days. Try Duke Snider, Gil Hodges and Roy Campanella, all sluggers who had high strikeout totals but with maturity and experience cut down on them significanatly. Hell in ST, 1948 they had Snider stand up with a bat in his hand next to a plate with strings behind denoting balls and strikes and he had to guess what was a ball and what was a strike. He was that bad. Now he's a Hall of Famer who if they knew as much about knee operations then as they do now he would have hit a helluva lot more than 407 lifetime homers; probably 150 more in a career that was cut short because of it.

[CrespoBlows]

Schill' date=' remember that I am an old war horse and go back to my New York days. Try Duke Snider, Gil Hodges and Roy Campanella, all sluggers who had high strikeout totals but with maturity and experience cut down on them significanatly. Hell in ST, 1948 they had Snider stand up with a bat in his hand next to a plate with strings behind denoting balls and strikes and he had to guess what was a ball and what was a strike. He was that bad. Now he's a Hall of Famer who if they knew as much about knee operations then as they do now he would have hit a helluva lot more than 407 lifetime homers; probably 150 more in a career that was cut short because of it.[/quote']

 

Duke Snider averaged 100 strikeouts a year. The only reason they went down is because he didn't exceed 370 AB's for his last 7 years, otherwise he would have easily gone past the 100 K plateau.

 

Gil Hodges never exceeded 100 strikeouts in a year. You can't compare him to Teixeira. He didn't even cut down on his strikeouts. His lowest were 73 in his age 26 season. He exceeded that number, every year he had at least 500 AB's.

 

Your last example is the most laughable of them all. Roy Campanella highest strikeout total was 61, and that was later in his career.

 

Not only are you totally wrong, but you use examples from a different era in baseball, and ones that aren't even comparable to Teixeira.

[schillingouttheks]

In '49 and '50, the first two seasons that Hodges played more than 150 games, he had 64 and 73 strikeouts, respectively. As he got more experience (but playing the same amount of times) his strikeout totals increased. From '51 - '59 his strikeout totals remained relatively constant, fluctuating between 84 and 92 in any given year. In '60, he played in 101 games and struck out 37 times, but this was the beginning of the end of his career. He had a .198 avg with a .291 OBP despite those 37 strikeouts. Even though he cut down, he was not that great of a player from there on out. I don't see the great "cut down" that you seem to see.

 

Duke Snider did cut down on most of his strikeouts, but it's quite possible that it was a result of the fewer ABs he had during those years.

 

Roy Campanella never struck out more than 61 times in a season.

 

These aren't great examples of players who have "cut down" their strikeouts significantly.

[schillingouttheks]

Duke Snider averaged 100 strikeouts a year. The only reason they went down is because he didn't exceed 370 AB's for his last 7 years, otherwise he would have easily gone past the 100 K plateau.

 

Gil Hodges never exceeded 100 strikeouts in a year. You can't compare him to Teixeira. He didn't even cut down on his strikeouts. His lowest were 73 in his age 26 season. He exceeded that number, every year he had at least 500 AB's.

 

Your last example is the most laughable of them all. Roy Campanella highest strikeout total was 61, and that was later in his career.

 

Not only are you totally wrong, but you use examples from a different era in baseball, and ones that aren't even comparable to Teixeira.

 

Beat me to it, but same idea.

[CrespoBlows]

In '49 and '50, the first two seasons that Hodges played more than 150 games, he had 64 and 73 strikeouts, respectively. As he got more experience (but playing the same amount of times) his strikeout totals increased. From '51 - '59 his strikeout totals remained relatively constant, fluctuating between 84 and 92 in any given year. In '60, he played in 101 games and struck out 37 times, but this was the beginning of the end of his career. He had a .198 avg with a .291 OBP despite those 37 strikeouts. Even though he cut down, he was not that great of a player from there on out. I don't see the great "cut down" that you seem to see.

 

Baseball-reference has Snider at 54 strikeouts in 1960, in only 235 AB's.

 

If you give him 600 AB's, Snider would have struck out 137 times in 1960.

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah, I used the same site. Agreed on Snider.

[seabeachfred]

Yeah' date=' I used the same site. Agreed on Snider.[/quote']

 

Well Schill, I think this time I should have consulted a baseball book on Hodges and Campy. It sure seemed to me they struck out a helluva lot more than they did, but I guess stats don't lie. Of course, they did become better hitters as their career blossomed. Campy hit over 300 three of his ten years with Brooklyn, Hodges two, and Snider five times. Thanks for the info and heads up.

[redsticknation]

Griffey is staying put. He is the only reason people go to see the Reds in Cincinnati.

Plus it would create a defensive liability in our outfield.

 

 

The Sox should not trade for Teixeira. He would not fill a hole in our offense (1B or 3B ) and would cost one' date=' two or maybe even three of our top prospects. Trading for Griffey would help the offense [b']A LOT[/b] more because 1) CF is a hole and 2) Teixeira is preforming about the same as Lowell and Youk.

 

Drew

Pedroia

Papi

Manny

Griffey

Youk

Lowell

Tek

Lugo

 

Minor League system: subtract Bowden?

 

or...

 

Drew

Pedroia

Papi

Manny

Teixeira

Youk/ Lowell

Tek

Crisp

Lugo

 

Minor League system: subtract Bowden/ Buc/ Lester + others...

 

I'd much rather have the former.

[seabeachfred]

I just thought of something since we are on the subject of trades. We just got through with a series with the Atlanta Braves and Coco Crisp had to impress that team with his hitting, speed and defense, right? Since they are most likely to led Andreu Jones take a hike this winter anyone think of a big trade between our two clubs where we might be able to package Coco and a prospect, player or a combo for Jarrod Salatamachhia, and maybe a young infielder?????? The Braves are going to need a CF next year and they have no speed that I know of, not do they need JS since they tied up McCann to a long term contract just recently. The guy is projected to be a solid ML catcher, has a strong arm and some say he is a 25 homer man. As much as some of you seem to like the one we got from SD last summer, George Kotteras, he is doing nothing down at Pawtucket, either with average or power, and I was a little taken back at how the Padres just seemed to hand him over for an over-the-hill 40 plus year old pitcher who said he was retiring at the end of the season but didn't.

[BoSox21]

if they need a CF next year, why would they be trading for Coco?

[seabeachfred]

if they need a CF next year' date=' why would they be trading for Coco?[/quote']

 

Coco is a centerfielder because we traded for him and put him there. I don't know of any other CF's available in the fall FA market except for Jones and Hunter and from what I hear Hunter in an interview wants to go back home near his family in Texas and Jones wants too much money for the Braves' good. Besides, he sure looked good in the series and perhaps they were impressed.. Who knows???? Just throwing out some ideas.

[schillingouttheks]

I have a feeling they'd want Ellsbury instead of Coco if they're going to trade Saltalamacchia.

 

And I may just do that.

[NomahsHammSammich]

I have a feeling they'd want Ellsbury instead of Coco if they're going to trade Saltalamacchia.

 

And I may just do that.

 

 

I am not too keen on any trade involving Clay or Jacoby.... that being said..I would move Jacoby before Clay and if it were for a catcher of Salty's skillset..I may just do it.

[schillingouttheks]

I am not too keen on any trade involving Clay or Jacoby.... that being said..I would move Jacoby before Clay and if it were for a catcher of Salty's skillset..I may just do it.

 

It would be difficult to part with Ellsbury, but to have 25 homers out of your catcher is a very, very nice asset. His value as a catcher skyrockets. As a 1B...not so much (the Braves were thinking about converting him to a 1B). I'd rather have him as a C. Besides, they're trying to find takers since Thorman will be at 1B for awhile.

[SCM33]

I have a feeling they'd want Ellsbury instead of Coco if they're going to trade Saltalamacchia.

 

And I may just do that.

 

I think I would too...easier to find an OF than a C who can hit.

[seabeachfred]

I have a feeling they'd want Ellsbury instead of Coco if they're going to trade Saltalamacchia.

 

And I may just do that.

You might? Not me. Ellsbury is the type of player that can ignite an offense and I think from what I saw of him at Oregon State that he can be an even better player than Pedroia. BTW, they played against each other in the Pac-10. No, let's try and get them to take Crisp; no doubt after what we've seen this year we are going to need a leadoff man next year and for a long time.

 

Signing off now. Getting ready for my trip to San Diego tomorrow and that big three game series. If there is anything of significance I will send a missive if the hotel I'm staying at has a computer in the lobby and if I can get on it if they do.

 

Let's not have any letdown now. We have regained some ground; let's keep it.

[CrespoBlows]

You might? Not me. Ellsbury is the type of player that can ignite an offense and I think from what I saw of him at Oregon State that he can be an even better player than Pedroia. BTW' date=' they played against each other in the Pac-10. No, let's try and get them to take Crisp; no doubt after what we've seen this year we are going to need a leadoff man next year and for a long time.[/quote']

 

Do you have any idea how rare a 25 HR catcher is? We can plug Pedroia in at leadoff, and go find another CF.

 

You cannot possibly find another 25 HR power catcher.

 

Signing off now. Getting ready for my trip to San Diego tomorrow and that big three game series.

 

http://www.backdrops.net/images/108%20Celebration%2010%20x%2010.JPG

 

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If there is anything of significance I will send a missive if the hotel I'm staying at has a computer in the lobby and if I can get on it if they do.

 

I'll pay anyone $500 to cut the power in San Diego.

[seabeachfred]

Ha!!! Someone just sent a me a private post that the little s*** Crespo will pay some money for turning off the power in San Diego if I want to send you guys a message. Two things wrong with that. First he can't read and, second, the little s*** probably has never seen the hundred or so dollars that he says he will pay. See, you little sawed off runt, there are people here who know what an ******* you are. Try rooting for the Dodgers. You've got the persona for it----a real loser.

[CrespoBlows]

First he can't read

 

Oh, really? I'm responding to this statement. Is this supposed to be a joke? Save it for the people who actually have some wit.

 

 

 

and, second, the little s*** probably has never seen the hundred or so dollars that he says he will pay.

 

I don't like to brag, so I won't go into this.

 

See, you little sawed off runt, there are people here who know what an ******* you are. Try rooting for the Dodgers. You've got the persona for it----a real loser.

 

 

You used to be a Dodgers fan, what does that make you?

[Mr Crunchy]

i hate the dodgers and would welcome some of their crew here

it would be like beating an invalid without the punishment or the moral outrage

 

the dodgers fan base is still stronger in brooklyn than in la county

the only weaker minded fan base is in wrigley and i havent seen too many cubbie fans since they were busing balls over the nomar trade back in july 04

that lasted about a week and they disappeared like dried up dog s***

 

sad to see j schmidt lost for the season eh??

here was a guy i coveted for years because of his durability and power

4 starts in dodger blue and hes toast

that must be a drag for the dodger crew

[hoke3182]

I think it was six startsin dodger blue,but who gives a s***.