2007 Yankee Game Thread

[ORS]

Right, and the Sox offense won't score 1 or less 33% of the time. You act like your team is the only one that isn't performing up to normal levels of expected performance.

[Gom]

I can certainly disagree with the notion that the Yankees will win this thing running away.

 

The Yankee pitching won't be as bad as it is now for the whole season, but the offense won't be as good.

 

The Sox pitching won't have 4 starters maintain an ERA under 3 all year, but the offense won't score 1 run or less 33% of the time all year either.

 

Barring injury, this goes down to the wire.

 

Should be fun. See you in October.

[TheKilo]

Right' date=' and the Sox offense won't score 1 or less 33% of the time. You act like your team is the only one that isn't performing up to normal levels of expected performance.[/quote']

 

Quiet. Logic or rational thought have no place in this forum.

[jacksonianmarch]

Right' date=' and the Sox offense won't score 1 or less 33% of the time. You act like your team is the only one that isn't performing up to normal levels of expected performance.[/quote']

 

ORS, it is about consistency. If you want to see consistency, then you load your lineup with guys who can take their share of pitches and work pitchers. That adds inning to the other teams pens and adds runs and baserunners to your totals. The sox worked the s*** out of anaheim but since or before havent worked anyone. And with the black hole at the bottom, it negates Drew's OBP capability. Your offense will pick up, but their inconsistency will continue so long as they rely on 2 players to drive in the runs and a huge black hole at the bottom just passing out free outs like they are nothing.

[jacksonianmarch]

Quiet. Logic or rational thought have no place in this forum.

 

Kilo, I wont pull a fred and throw you under the bus, but your rational logic is showing some cracks this am.

[Gom]

That's why they play the games. I think the Yankees have been bit pretty hard with the injury bug, and are sitting at 6-6. Pavano is a lost cause, but when Wang and Moose come back, the Yankees can make a nice little run.

[TheKilo]

Should be fun' date=' then. If what you are saying is true, see you in October.[/quote']

 

You quoted the same post twice.

[ORS]

ORS' date=' it is about consistency. If you want to see consistency, then you load your lineup with guys who can take their share of pitches and work pitchers. That adds inning to the other teams pens and adds runs and baserunners to your totals. The sox worked the s*** out of anaheim but since or before havent worked anyone. And with the black hole at the bottom, it negates Drew's OBP capability. Your offense will pick up, but their inconsistency will continue so long as they rely on 2 players to drive in the runs and a huge black hole at the bottom just passing out free outs like they are nothing.[/quote']

Right, it is about consistency. The thing is everyone save Lugo, Drew, and Ortiz have started the year off slow, and only one of them is playing above what you'd expect, Drew. Do you really think these numbers will hold up through the year:

 

Manny - .205/.300/.227

Youk - .262/.354/.381

Lowell - .261/.295/.391

Varitek - .212/.289/.273

Crisp - .150/.209/.225

 

I mean, seriously? There's no way those numbers hold up, just like there's no way the Yankee rotation struggles all year like it has thus far. If you continue to tell us to wait it out with your rotation but think this will hold up, then it's not even worth discussing the game with you because you won't put your pom poms down.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think your team will be that poor ORS, like I said, your offense will improve. But as I said before, your lineup has holes in it, something it did not have previously and those holes will cost in run production.

[ORS]

I dont think your team will be that poor ORS' date=' like I said, your offense will improve. But as I said before, your lineup has holes in it, something it did not have previously and those holes will cost in run production.[/quote']

Sure, but there are two sides to the game. Run scoring and run prevention. This team will be better at the latter than previous editions. And, to be honest with you, that is better than previous constructions. A +100 run differential has greater impact as the RA amount goes down in the Pythagorean record. In other words, if you are trading off scoring runs for preventing them, the likelihood that it will result in more wins is greater.

 

You keep ignoring the other side of the coin with your "run away with it" predictions. But, keep at it. It'll just make fall harder and your misery greater when it doesn't come true.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sure, but there are two sides to the game. Run scoring and run prevention. This team will be better at the latter than previous editions. And, to be honest with you, that is better than previous constructions. A +100 run differential has greater impact as the RA amount goes down in the Pythagorean record. In other words, if you are trading off scoring runs for preventing them, the likelihood that it will result in more wins is greater.

 

You keep ignoring the other side of the coin with your "run away with it" predictions. But, keep at it. It'll just make fall harder and your misery greater when it doesn't come true.

 

Yeah, they are certainly allowing fewer runs, right now. I have a feeling that 2 of your suddenly teflon troika will fall on hard times by the time the yr is through.

[ORS]

I'd be shocked if you didn't have that hope. Your season depends on it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hope isnt the word ORS. They are throwing like monsters right now and we are still one back with 4 starting pitchers on the DL and our starting left fielder.

[ORS]

Hope is the word. It's very possible that all three of them are aces this year. You need to hope they aren't, because if they are, regardless of who is on your DL, we will bury you.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Hope isnt the word ORS. They are throwing like monsters right now and we are still one back with 4 starting pitchers on the DL and our starting left fielder.

 

Quoted for truth.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Right, it is about consistency. The thing is everyone save Lugo, Drew, and Ortiz have started the year off slow, and only one of them is playing above what you'd expect, Drew. Do you really think these numbers will hold up through the year:

 

Manny - .205/.300/.227

Youk - .262/.354/.381

Lowell - .261/.295/.391

Varitek - .212/.289/.273

Crisp - .150/.209/.225

 

I mean, seriously? There's no way those numbers hold up, just like there's no way the Yankee rotation struggles all year like it has thus far. If you continue to tell us to wait it out with your rotation but think this will hold up, then it's not even worth discussing the game with you because you won't put your pom poms down.

 

Just how much do you expect Varitek's numbers to go up? There's no way he hits better than .250 this year.

[TheKilo]

Just how much do you expect Varitek's numbers to go up? There's no way he hits better than .250 this year.

 

I think he's banking on more production from Manny and Crisp before Varitek.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hope is the word. It's very possible that all three of them are aces this year. You need to hope they aren't' date=' because if they are, regardless of who is on your DL, we will bury you.[/quote']

 

right, and there is a chance that I'll win the lottery this yr. And even so, IF they all become AL aces, we are talking low to mid 3 ERA's. Right now, DMats is sub 3, Schill sub 3 and Beckett sub 2. All 3 will have some sort of stepoff even if they all become aces.

 

And btw, Andy Pettitte has pitched just as well as Beckett has. I'm not thinking he will end the season as an ace.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he's banking on more production from Manny and Crisp before Varitek.

 

If Crisp stays this bad, he may set a record. I'll say Manny will certainly be better. Crisp has to get better marginally, but he isnt very good anymore. He has Renteria written all over him. You'll deal him away for nothing and he'll fall back to his previous.

[TheKilo]

Hope isnt the word ORS. They are throwing like monsters right now and we are still one back with 4 starting pitchers on the DL and our starting left fielder.

 

They've only played twelve games. With your offense, did you really expect to be out of many games?

 

Hell, if the Sox play one game up on the Yankees for every twelve games, they'll end up with a 13 game lead in the division. I'll certainly take that.

[jacksonianmarch]

They've only played twelve games. With your offense, did you really expect to be out of many games?

 

Hell, if the Sox play one game up on the Yankees for every twelve games, they'll end up with a 13 game lead in the division. I'll certainly take that.

 

what are the chances that we are .500 at the end of the yr and what are the chances that the yanks rotation has 4 pitchers on the DL? With the s*** luck we have had so far and with the gross schedule you guys have had thus far, you should be in double digits in wins.

[TheKilo]

what are the chances that we are .500 at the end of the yr and what are the chances that the yanks rotation has 4 pitchers on the DL? With the s*** luck we have had so far and with the gross schedule you guys have had thus far' date=' you should be in double digits in wins.[/quote']

 

Woulda coulda shoulda.

 

If your offense ever has an off night you'll probably lose the game. That's a lot of pressure on an offense.

 

Like ORS said, we'll be better at preventing runs than you do. Teams can't win if they can't score.

 

Besides, "crap" schedule? You've played TB, BAL, Minnesota (without facing Santana), and a light hitting A's team.

 

We've played the two worst teams in the league, yes, but swept the favorites to win the AL West. Your schedule isn't leaps and bounds ahead of ours.

[jacksonianmarch]

Woulda coulda shoulda.

 

If your offense ever has an off night you'll probably lose the game. That's a lot of pressure on an offense.

Like ORS said, we'll be better at preventing runs than you do. Teams can't win if they can't score.

 

Besides, "crap" schedule? You've played TB, BAL, Minnesota (without facing Santana), and a light hitting A's team.

 

We've played the two worst teams in the league, yes, but swept the favorites to win the AL West. Your schedule isn't leaps and bounds ahead of ours.

 

right now the bolded statement is correct. Once our rotation comes back and gets into the swing of things, it wont be.

[TheKilo]

right now the bolded statement is correct. Once our rotation comes back and gets into the swing of things' date=' it wont be.[/quote']

 

1. Answer my question in the other thread. Don't avoid it.

 

2. Your rotation will be good. I'd go as far as to say as better than league average. Fact is, the differences between the Sox's rotation/offense and the Yankee's rotation/offense are not as great as you'd like to believe. And while you have the better bullpen, moving Papelbon back there evens things out a bit as well.

 

I just think it's funny that you guys think you're going to run away with this. It took freak injuries for the Sox to be out of it like they were last year. Why do you think, IF THE TEAMS STAY HEALTHY, it's going to be much of the same this year?

 

Take off the pinstriped glasses and put down the pom poms, like ORS said. It's going to be a race all year. Your offense won't be as good all year just like our pitching won't be as good. Your pitching will improve just like our offense will improve.

 

edit - Good job avoiding the other points in my post too.

[ORS]

What point is being defended here? I'll remind everyone.

 

That the Yankees will run away with the division. Say that again, run away with it. None of us are saying the Sox will lock this thing up by Sept 1, just that this thing should be a dogfight. It's folly to think a team with as many pitching questions as the Yankees will run away with anything. Yeah, yeah, wait till they get back. But what about when they are back? Which Mussina do you get? '04/'05? Better hope not. Will Wang's leg affect his mechanics? Better hope not with the arm injury history, and that doesn't even address the fact that history suggests his carriage of success is about to turn pumpkin given his peripheral pitching stats.

 

No. Nobody is running away with this. Although, if you truly do believe this Jacko, it's really going to sting if it doesn't happen. I'll enjoy the rant, and the ribbing afterward.

[jacksonianmarch]

no ranting or ribbing needed. Just a matter of opinion is all. That is why they play the games.

[yankees228]

I can certainly disagree with the notion that the Yankees will win this thing running away.

 

The Yankee pitching won't be as bad as it is now for the whole season, but the offense won't be as good.

 

The Sox pitching won't have 4 starters maintain an ERA under 3 all year, but the offense won't score 1 run or less 33% of the time all year either.

 

Barring injury, this goes down to the wire.

 

With the way the Red Sox rotation looks at this point in the season, it's hard to believe that it won't come down to the wire. Once the Yankees rotation gets a bit healthier, and both teams reach their potential (to some degree) it's going to be one hell of a race. Last year was really unbelievable in a lot of different ways. Everything went wrong that could go wrong for the Red Sox down the stretch (mainly injuries), but that's something that just doesn't usually happen two years in a row. Unless one team gets really ravaged by injuries down the stretch, this could be 2005 all over again.

[yankees228]

Woulda coulda shoulda.

 

If your offense ever has an off night you'll probably lose the game. That's a lot of pressure on an offense.

 

Like ORS said, we'll be better at preventing runs than you do. Teams can't win if they can't score.

 

Besides, "crap" schedule? You've played TB, BAL, Minnesota (without facing Santana), and a light hitting A's team.

 

We've played the two worst teams in the league, yes, but swept the favorites to win the AL West. Your schedule isn't leaps and bounds ahead of ours.

 

I think the first part is a bit unfair. Pettitte is very capable of pitching a really good game everytime out, even if he doesn't have his best stuff (see last Sunday, even though they didn't win), Mussina (when healthy) is also a pitcher who can pitch a good game everytime out, as is a healthy Wang. To say that they'll probably lose if the offense has an off night is stretching it. But that also depends on your definition of 'probably'. The way I see it, you're saying there's a 75% chance they lose without a good offensive showing. I disagree. It's not like the Yankee's staff, when healthy, is one of the worst in the league.

[yankees228]

1. Answer my question in the other thread. Don't avoid it.

 

2. Your rotation will be good. I'd go as far as to say as better than league average. Fact is, the differences between the Sox's rotation/offense and the Yankee's rotation/offense are not as great as you'd like to believe. And while you have the better bullpen, moving Papelbon back there evens things out a bit as well.

 

I just think it's funny that you guys think you're going to run away with this. It took freak injuries for the Sox to be out of it like they were last year. Why do you think, IF THE TEAMS STAY HEALTHY, it's going to be much of the same this year?

 

Take off the pinstriped glasses and put down the pom poms, like ORS said. It's going to be a race all year. Your offense won't be as good all year just like our pitching won't be as good. Your pitching will improve just like our offense will improve.

 

edit - Good job avoiding the other points in my post too.

 

Good post. I agree with your points. After looking at your number two, I'm not sure what you meant in the post that I quoted before.

[Optimist]

The wind is already playing a role in today's game.