Wily Mo Pena

[seabeachfred]

I actually think the Reds were very high on Pena. But' date=' when they were offered a Bronson Arroyo type pitcher (10 wins per year with around a 4.50 ERA in the AL East as a 5 starter translates to success in the NL Central), they were willing to part with him. It wasn't so much them giving up on him as it was their need for pitching and the ability to part with someone like Pena (they had Dunn/Griffey/Kearns patrolling the OF).[/quote']

 

That could be Schill. Those three men you mentioned would be more valuable to the Reds than Pena was since they all play relatively good defense and can hit. I remember when we made the trade that I was hoping we would get Austin Kearns instead. He had a real breakout year in 2003 and looked like he was h eaded for a good career but he also seems to have been sidetracked the last two, mainly due to injuries. He's with the Nats now I think.

[seabeachfred]

So let's trade away a guy like Crisp who had a fantastic year in 2004 for a guy like Eric Byrnes, based off of two ABs for Byrnes against Brad Penny.

 

Lovely.

 

You certainly love the small sample size. Tell me, does it hurt your hamstring to jump on and off the bandwagons as much as you do?

 

Kilo, I warned you and a few others to stay away from this bandwagon s*** because that was one way to set me off. I am no bandwagon jumper as you would have known if you had run into me in Fort Myers. But, then again, you weren't there to see me, were you? Or you could have met up with me in Boston last week, but I didn't catch you there either, did I? Or you could have seen me being interviewed on Channels 4 and 7 and watched me on TV, but you weren't around there either. You might catch me in San Diego in June or Oakland, I believe in July, and we can swap loyalty stories, but you won't be there either. So stop with the ******** about bandwagons. If NESN and NBC sports figures consider me loyal and devoted enough to interview that means your bandwagon crap goes out the window with you.

 

Byrnes? I have always liked the guy. He plays hard, gets his uniform dirty and is an overachiever. Since I coached baseball for 30 years I can appreciate intangibles certain players bring to the table since I look at those things as a coach would. Capice?????

 

The guy I would really like is Nick Swisher of the A's but he is not available at this time and won't be for three years. How does he stand with you? Is that better??

[seabeachfred]

Right you are Crunchy. Against certain starters (Chacin being one of them), I have just come to expect defeat. A win is a bonus. I just like to look at the positives in games like this...

 

Pena hit a dinger (it was f***ing beastly too)

Crisp got a couple hits after he felt Pena breathing down his neck

Matsuzaka had 10 Ks; gave us a great chance to win by giving up only 2 runs while pitching 6 strong

 

Like you said, Matsuzaka's outing against this Toronto lineup is a great outing. What's scary is that this is probably considered an off night for him. Imagine how dirty he can be when he's on... he should be allowed to have one shaky inning and assume that his team's going to pick him up. You'd figure that the Sox could have scored at least one more run to force the thing into extras...

 

Schill, I will tell you what a positive would be for me. That would be to snap back and win the next two in Toronto, then take care of the Yankees two out of three at Fenway. I think we need to take advantage of the good pitching we're getting.

[TheKilo]

Kilo, I warned you and a few others to stay away from this bandwagon s*** because that was one way to set me off. I am no bandwagon jumper as you would have known if you had run into me in Fort Myers. But, then again, you weren't there to see me, were you? Or you could have met up with me in Boston last week, but I didn't catch you there either, did I? Or you could have seen me being interviewed on Channels 4 and 7 and watched me on TV, but you weren't around there either. You might catch me in San Diego in June or Oakland, I believe in July, and we can swap loyalty stories, but you won't be there either. So stop with the ******** about bandwagons. If NESN and NBC sports figures consider me loyal and devoted enough to interview that means your bandwagon crap goes out the window with you.

 

Byrnes? I have always liked the guy. He plays hard, gets his uniform dirty and is an overachiever. Since I coached baseball for 30 years I can appreciate intangibles certain players bring to the table since I look at those things as a coach would. Capice?????

 

The guy I would really like is Nick Swisher of the A's but he is not available at this time and won't be for three years. How does he stand with you? Is that better??

 

That's funny, man. Did it cross your mind that I am a college student who is in the process of ending my semester and prepping for finals? Maybe some of us don't have the disposable income you do to take these expensive trips to Florida and Boston?

 

Just because you went to Fenway does not make you any more loyal than anyone else. I've never claimed to be the most loyal Sox fan, but at least I don't have as much of a wishy-washy relationship with them as you do. Seriously, after one loss, the sky is falling. It's not that big of a deal, Fred. There are more important things in life than Red Sox baseball. But you are so quick to knock this team and the players on it, even in meaningless Spring Training games. But hey, I can't argue with you. NESN and NBC think you're an awesome fan. By the way, do you have links to these interviews?

[Cocos Disciples]

I would like to see them as well.

[ANiMAL]

O s***, NESN has never interveiwed me; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner.

O s***, I don't live within 100 miles of Fenway Park and I've never been there; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner

O s***, I do not have enough money to travel everywhere to see the Red Sox; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner.

[TheKilo]

O s***, NESN has never interveiwed me; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner.

O s***, I don't live within 100 miles of Fenway Park and I've never been there; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner

O s***, I do not have enough money to travel everywhere to see the Red Sox; sorry guys I am a bandwagoner.

 

How's the pink hat treating you?

[seabeachfred]

That's funny, man. Did it cross your mind that I am a college student who is in the process of ending my semester and prepping for finals? Maybe some of us don't have the disposable income you do to take these expensive trips to Florida and Boston?

 

Just because you went to Fenway does not make you any more loyal than anyone else. I've never claimed to be the most loyal Sox fan, but at least I don't have as much of a wishy-washy relationship with them as you do. Seriously, after one loss, the sky is falling. It's not that big of a deal, Fred. There are more important things in life than Red Sox baseball. But you are so quick to knock this team and the players on it, even in meaningless Spring Training games. But hey, I can't argue with you. NESN and NBC think you're an awesome fan. By the way, do you have links to these interviews?

 

No links with them but you can check with Boston's Channel 7. The interview took place on Monday night around ten p.m. and aired around 11:15. I never saw it because I was out on Lansdowne Avenue cavorting with mainly college students like yourself who I seemed to hit it off better with than I am with you. NESN? Someone told me that was the other station, but, frankly, I am going by their word. I didn't even know who was interviewing me until someone told me. I was too busy trying not to freeze my ass off.

 

As for being a college student, no I didn't know you were but now that I do I wish you very best and best of luck in your studies. The word bandwagon jumps upsets me something awful. I am anything but. I live and die with every game and right now I'm still stewing from last night's game. My mentioning of my trips were merely to let you know that I am anything but a bandwagon fan. At any rate, enjoy your college years. They are some of the best years of your life. Since I was a teacher-coach for 35 years I am a strong supporter of education. Good luck to you. Hopefully from here on in we will have a better relationship.

[TheKilo]

No links with them but you can check with Boston's Channel 7. The interview took place on Monday night around ten p.m. and aired around 11:15. I never saw it because I was out on Lansdowne Avenue cavorting with mainly college students like yourself who I seemed to hit it off better with than I am with you. NESN? Someone told me that was the other station, but, frankly, I am going by their word. I didn't even know who was interviewing me until someone told me. I was too busy trying not to freeze my ass off.

 

As for being a college student, no I didn't know you were but now that I do I wish you very best and best of luck in your studies. The word bandwagon jumps upsets me something awful. I am anything but. I live and die with every game and right now I'm still stewing from last night's game. My mentioning of my trips were merely to let you know that I am anything but a bandwagon fan. At any rate, enjoy your college years. They are some of the best years of your life. Since I was a teacher-coach for 35 years I am a strong supporter of education. Good luck to you. Hopefully from here on in we will have a better relationship.

 

Awww Fred, you're just a big softy, aren't ya.

[ANiMAL]

Wait, I did leave school early to see the Patriot's Day game, and I am leaving early tomorrow to see the game. Am I still a bandwagoner?

[Rdsxmbnt]

ok imagine me posting your avatar with "...ya"

[seabeachfred]

Awww Fred' date=' you're just a big softy, aren't ya.[/quote']

 

I talk real tough but in reality you hit it on the head. Raising a daughter who rapped me around her finger and now a grandaughter who make me gush every time I see her---well, what did you expect? Even the players I coached saw through me after awhile. Fortunately, they were outstanding people and we had tremendous teams.

 

You did give me a guilt trip when you said you were a college student. Believe me, I remember cutting corners and managing every dime I had so I could makes ends-meet. Look at the positive end of it. You will soon have your degree, you are over 40 years younger than I am and will see quite a few more Red Sox World Titles that I will.

 

I think a win tonight will change a lot of our dispositions.

[ORS]

I think a win tonight will change a lot of our dispositions.

Stop projecting, Fred. It's your bipolar self that needs sweet kiss of baseball victory to calm the tremors. Most of us around here are pretty level headed, which is why we spend so much time talking you back from the ledge after a loss (or a strikeout, or an error, you get the point).

 

Oh, and I find it shocking that you were a teacher, and an English one to boot. Kilo never called you a bandwagon fan. The bandwagoning he was refering to was about which player is the flavor of the week in Fredville. There are other bandwagons, you know?

[seabeachfred]

Stop projecting, Fred. It's your bipolar self that needs sweet kiss of baseball victory to calm the tremors. Most of us around here are pretty level headed, which is why we spend so much time talking you back from the ledge after a loss (or a strikeout, or an error, you get the point).

 

Oh, and I find it shocking that you were a teacher, and an English one to boot. Kilo never called you a bandwagon fan. The bandwagoning he was refering to was about which player is the flavor of the week in Fredville. There are other bandwagons, you know?

 

Let me put some new colors in your paint box my friend. The word fan comes from the word fanatic. I AM a fanatic, have been in everything I've done in my life whether it was pursuing a career (history teacher, by the way), pursuing the girl of my dreams (got her---37 years this August 1. Remember to send be contratulations), baseball coach in three programs (800-145 over 30 years and 39 league league and tournament titles), and being a father and good husband. As I told you once or twice or three times, I am relatively a late comer to the Red Sox and am trying to make up for some very lost time. I wear my love to the team on my sleeve and that upsets you I would suggest you bypass my posts. There is nothing bi-polar about it. As for being shocked that I was a teacher be advised that many of my former students and ball players I coached are among my closest friends today. One even happens to be West Coast Scouting Director for the Devil Rays.

[adam123]

Fred your the man give them a kick in th arse .... i think we have a great pitcher in okijama

hes been pitching lights out . What do you guys think ? looks like hes the real deal .

[CrespoBlows]

i think we have a great pitcher in okijama

hes been pitching lights out . What do you guys think ? looks like hes the real deal .

 

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[Rdsxmbnt]

:ortiz:

[seabeachfred]

Fred your the man give them a kick in th arse .... i think we have a great pitcher in okijama

hes been pitching lights out . What do you guys think ? looks like hes the real deal .

 

A little off topic Adam, but to answer your question, Okajima and most of our bullpen have performed very well so far. Now if we can get some consistency from our hitters we might have the makings of a real good season.

[TedWilliams101]

Did anyone notice WMP went 0-3 tonight with 3, 3 strikeouts. All on offspeed pitches. In fact, I don't think he hit a SINGLE off speed pitch. THAT is why WMP shouldn't be a starter. He can't hit anything but a straight fastball and tonight again proves that. I don't mind seeing him in every now and then against a lefty, but he shouldn't be an everday guy, at least not on our team.

 

He's now hitting .143, 1HR in 14 AB, but 8 SO in only 14 AB...

[TheKilo]

Did anyone notice WMP went 0-3 tonight with 3' date=' [b']3[/b] strikeouts. All on offspeed pitches. In fact, I don't think he hit a SINGLE off speed pitch. THAT is why WMP shouldn't be a starter. He can't hit anything but a straight fastball and tonight again proves that. I don't mind seeing him in every now and then against a lefty, but he shouldn't be an everday guy, at least not on our team.

 

He's now hitting .143, 1HR in 14 AB, but 8 SO in only 14 AB...

 

OMG NO WAY

 

Go piss about this s*** somewhere else.

[TedWilliams101]

Just proving my point that WMP can't hit...

[yeszir]

OMG NO WAY

 

Go piss about this s*** somewhere else.

 

...like the Willy Mo Pena thread?

[seabeachfred]

Did anyone notice WMP went 0-3 tonight with 3' date=' [b']3[/b] strikeouts. All on offspeed pitches. In fact, I don't think he hit a SINGLE off speed pitch. THAT is why WMP shouldn't be a starter. He can't hit anything but a straight fastball and tonight again proves that. I don't mind seeing him in every now and then against a lefty, but he shouldn't be an everday guy, at least not on our team.

 

He's now hitting .143, 1HR in 14 AB, but 8 SO in only 14 AB...

 

Ted, how could anyone with a pair of eyes not notice. I think there are just a lot of Red Sox fans on this board and, in fact, on other Sox boards as well, who are in denial about this guy. When he's at bat with men on base off speed pitches is all he's going to see and the pitchers throwing them to him were no great shakes themselves yet they made him look like a chump. He will never be a threat against the Yankees for what they did to him today is what I saw last September at YS. It isn't just that he can't hit off speed pitches but he continues to chase them well out of the strike zone. He will hit a few homers for us this year but overall he is going to be one big piece of blob. His ninth year in pro ball and he still can't touch an off speed pitch on the outside corner and beyond. PATHETIC@!!!!!

[Mr Crunchy]

he sucked with the yanks

he sucked in cincinatti

he sucks

he sucks

he sucks

 

it would be nice if this tidbit of information that is proven on paper is stuffed into theo epsteins face every time this behemoth f*** bag takes the field

 

he was up against an A ball pitcher last nite and a AA bullpen

he'll be a consistant hitter when my grandmother grows a finger nail on her cock

[ryanromine]

It's really unnerving when this guy steps into the box! I like Wily Mo, but if you cant lay off of off speed pitches out of the zone, then you need to work a little harder over the off season! He did put on a show during spring training! Something needs to be done! If he doesn't step up, then I think the Sox will shop him around and see what they can get!

[jacksonianmarch]

I'll take WMP if you guys wont.

[BoSox21]

Cerrano is fine as a 4th outfielder but I still would've preferred Catalonotto

[inkman]

I thought Manny and Big Papi were going to be an influence on his plate discipline. Perhaps he is not a good student. It looks like A-Rod is...

[BoSox21]

plate discipline is something pretty difficult to teach though

[Rdsxmbnt]

Its still been 14 ABs, thats it. Granted he hasnt looked good but he isnt getting regular playing time either. Its very tough for a hitter to just walk into a game cold without playing for a while and be expected to produce. Give him time