Wily Mo Pena

[CrespoBlows]

WMP SUCKS 0-3 3 strikouts and a walk what a scrub

 

2 strikeouts.

[ORS]

2 strikeouts.

o yah, wut did he do other tiem?? pop up....wilymo popup wilymo popup wilymo popup PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER!!!

[TedWilliams101]

Why can't all of you see that WMP is useless. HE DOESN"T HAVE A GOOD EYE. PERIOD. He has a HUGE hole in his swing. He has no sense of pitch selection and swings at the worst junk. He is never going to be a great player. Ever. Yes, he has raw power, but that is the ONLY thing going for him. He can't hit anything but a fastball and has no fielding skills.

 

Again, the reason why he did well last season is because opposing pitchers didn't know how to pitch to him. Now they do. Everyone in the AL now knows just to throw him offspeed pitches and get him to chase fastballs out of the strike zone.

 

Does anyone really think that Arroyo is actually as good as his numbers reflected last season? NO, it was the first time the NL central faced him and they didn't know him. Expect him to come back down to Earth this year now that they have seen him and know him. Same goes for WMP. The league nows how to get him out. He stands no chance.

 

How can anyone, after watching this game today, say WMP has a future as even a decent player? Do you see his 2 strike outs? He was swinging at balls in the dirt.

[CrespoBlows]

 

Again, the reason why he did well last season is because opposing pitchers didn't know how to pitch to him. Now they do. Everyone in the AL now knows just to throw him offspeed pitches and get him to chase fastballs out of the strike zone.

 

 

This is the worst point, ever.

 

Everyone has known the Wily Mo Pena is undisciplined, do you think they just found that out? Or are you really that stupid?

 

Also, IT'S BEEN 7 f***ING AT-BATS

[castigs850]

plain and simple they both (coco and WMP) suck, i'd rather see wily mo in there cause he hasnt had the chance that crisp has had, plus WMP will hit some HR's and that puts at least some type of threat into the bottom of our lineup.

[TheKilo]

This is the worst point, ever.

 

Everyone has known the Wily Mo Pena is undisciplined, do you think they just found that out? Or are you really that stupid?

 

Also, IT'S BEEN 7 f***ING AT-BATS

 

I agree, and you can thank adam for almost getting you fired.

[schillingouttheks]

WMP hit .300 in 250 ABs last year. Why does everyone have such a short f***ing leash? CHILL OUT AND LET HIM HAVE SOME CONSISTENT PLAYING TIME. HE NEVER f***ING PLAYS. EVER. WAIT.

[MANNYHOF24]

Some people on this board are just plain stupid. If Willy Mo has consistent playing time he will hit 30 Hrs and drive in 90-100 runs. Give him a chance people; most people who have comented on how bad he is are just ignorant.

[schillingouttheks]

Adam just needs to get off of his damn soapbox. If I hear him say "wily mo pop up suxorz luts tred coco crispy an whiffin wily mo for yohen suntunuh" one more time, I'm going to stab everyone within earshot.

[jacksonianmarch]

guys, let adam have his meltdowns. It is funny what an angry, partially illiterate kid can try and type when the juices are flowin.

 

BTW, all you new yorkers do suck....LOL.

 

And the point about the pitchers not knowing how to pitch him is laughable. The pitcher ALWAYS has the advantage because the hitter doesnt have the experience facing the pitcher. What is easier, throwing a 95 mph fastball by a guy or hitting a perfectly located one? My point exactly. Wily Mo was on his way to establishing himself as a pretty ood OFer until he hurt his wrist. He just hasnt been the same, and I am sure that losing your spot in the offseason when your position opens is a bit disheartening. As I have said before, the sox are waiting for him to go on a hot streak and then ship him when his stock is high. He is a terrible 4th OFer as he is a poor defender and he isnt much of a pinch hit threat right now because he is so easy to K. The sox are a better team with Murphy as the 4th OFer simply because of his speed and defense. Unfortunately, they are stuck with WMP in the majors cause of his contract.

[TedWilliams101]

Did you watch the game? Can you honestly say that WMP looked fine? He looked TERRIBLE! Are we really watching the same games here? Because just about every time I have seen WMP at the plate, he has been terrible.

[schillingouttheks]

Well, I know that I watched WMP's FIRST FULL GAME/START of the year...

[TheKilo]

Did you watch the game? Can you honestly say that WMP looked fine? He looked TERRIBLE! Are we really watching the same games here? Because just about every time I have seen WMP at the plate' date=' he has been terrible.[/quote']

 

Manny Ramirez has looked bad in ten games (.200 avg, no homers)

 

Man, small sample sizes are great!

[TedWilliams101]

But look at Manny's stats, and you see he always has a slow start. However, look at WMP stats... Oh, .260 career BA, 382 strike outs to 75 walks... those don't suggest a good player off to a slow start.

 

Yes, he's young, but he is TRASH especially right now. Sure, he might develope into someone who can hit 30, maybe even 40 homers a year. But thats not a given. We haven't ever seen it. And there is really not much suggesting he will ever have any sense of pitch selection or plate disipline. Those are the FACTS.

 

The point is, RIGHT NOW he is trash. We don't really have a place for him either. I expect coco to come around, if he doesn't, Ellsbury is the future CF, Drew is in RF for a while, and if Manny were to leave, there are TONS of big free agent OFs' this offseason. Sure he might have a future as a decent hitter, but not in the next year or 2. The sox simply don't have the team to wait and let him develop in the majors.

[schillingouttheks]

If Wily Mo Pena turns into a good power-hitting player, you are not allowed to root for him. Fair deal? You can have your rants.

[castigs850]

both pena and crisp need playing time if either will turn it around no doubt about that, but as of now crisp at least gives you some pretty damn good OF defense were as Pena is a bit sketchy. If crisp doesnt have everything figured out in a couple weeks i'd like to see a bit more even distribution of playing time. But even with that i dont know how good i feel about that big bastard running around center trying to track down flys. i just dont think either of these guys are a good fit for boston right now

[adam123]

Well today did not help him at all . I really wana like the guy hes a sox but he just cant hit that offspeed s***. I dont think he ever will

[ANiMAL]

2 K's for Pena today, that-a-boy Pena.

[TedWilliams101]

Thats my point... I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he's all that great. He has absolutely no plate discipline. You can't produce if all you can hit is a fastball... Now, saying this, I hope that I am wrong and that he does somehow take a complete 180 and learn how to hit..., but that doesn't really happen very often. You either have the potential, or you don't. I really don't think WMP has the potential to develope even good plate discipline, simply, I don't think he will ever learn how to really hit. I'm not hoping he never improves, I just don't think it will happen. Don't get me wrong. I root for the guy, I hope he improves, I'd love to see him develope into a great hitter... I just don't think it's going to happen, I think its a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking to believe he will develope into a good hitter. It's just a matter of opinion. There isn't a right answer, no one really knows whether he can develope into anything good or not. I agree he will need playing time to develope, there just isn't space for him on this team. I would be happy to see him traded to a team where he can be an everday player. Great. But it won't happen on this team. We already have Pedroia the rookie. Boston can't afford to have another bat in the lineup trying to develope, especially when he is a liability in OF. Don't confuse my opinion and beliefs for simply "hating the guy" or anything of that sort. I'm just trying to be realistic. From what I have seen in the past and what I see now, there really isn't anything pointing towards him significantly improving. And sure, there are players who have turned into monsters (Papi) when a lot of people didn't think highly of them, but again, thats extremely rare (a diamond in the rough, so to say). Anything could happen, I just don't think its Likely. Thats the key. Likely.

[adam123]

Thats my point... I don't hate the guy. I just don't think he's all that great. He has absolutely no plate discipline. You can't produce if all you can hit is a fastball... Now' date=' saying this, I hope that I am wrong and that he does somehow take a complete 180 and learn how to hit..., but that doesn't really happen very often. You either have the potential, or you don't. I really don't think WMP has the potential to develope even good plate discipline, simply, I don't think he will ever learn how to really hit. I'm not hoping he never improves, I just don't think it will happen. Don't get me wrong. I root for the guy, I hope he improves, I'd love to see him develope into a great hitter... I just don't think it's going to happen, I think its a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking to believe he will develope into a good hitter. It's just a matter of opinion. There isn't a right answer, no one really knows whether he can develope into anything good or not. I agree he will need playing time to develope, there just isn't space for him on this team. I would be happy to see him traded to a team where he can be an everday player. Great. But it won't happen on this team. We already have Pedroia the rookie. Boston can't afford to have another bat in the lineup trying to develope, especially when he is a liability in OF. Don't confuse my opinion and beliefs for simply "hating the guy" or anything of that sort. I'm just trying to be realistic. From what I have seen in the past and what I see now, there really isn't anything pointing towards him significantly improving. And sure, there are players who have turned into monsters (Papi) when a lot of people didn't think highly of them, but again, thats extremely rare (a diamond in the rough, so to say). Anything could happen, I just don't think its Likely. Thats the key. Likely.[/quote']

 

 

 

exactly well put man finally someone who understands . I am so tierd of hearing about up side on this guy .. either learns how to hit or not ..

[schillingouttheks]

No. You don't understand the fact that HE CAN'T LEARN IF HE DOESN'T PLAY.

[TedWilliams101]

Yes I do. He does need the playing time, just not here. He's a project. And right now in Boston, we don't have place to try and see what he can do on our team. Thats what the minors are for. I don't want to sound like the Yankees, but our team is built for the future AND for NOW. There is simply no space for someone who isn't worthy of a starting spot NOW. WMP would do perfectly on almost any other team where they can use him and let him play. He doesn't have that option here.

[seabeachfred]

seabeach' date=' you can try as you might, but you dont have the backing for this season to say anything about Wily Mo. WMP has a track record of serious power with tons of potential and a huge all or nothing swing. He could be an asset to any team as his skill set is rare to say the least. But he is as raw a ball player I have ever seen and his contract porked him. He would be much better off if he were dealt to the Pirates and played every day.[/quote']

 

Jackson, not everyone on this board is a WMP fan. You really have to see this guy try to hit in person to understand that power potential or not the pitchers now know this guy inside out and he is never going to be productive for us. Maybe it was his agent's fault with that contract he originally signed but that shouldn't be a yoke around our necks. The guy simply cannot hit a curve, cannot play adequate defense and the only reason I would even give him a chance is because he cannot be any worse that Crisp has been so far this season. OTOH, Crisp has played good defense. Pena? Defense? Oxymoron is there ever was one.

[seabeachfred]

Why can't all of you see that WMP is useless. HE DOESN"T HAVE A GOOD EYE. PERIOD. He has a HUGE hole in his swing. He has no sense of pitch selection and swings at the worst junk. He is never going to be a great player. Ever. Yes, he has raw power, but that is the ONLY thing going for him. He can't hit anything but a fastball and has no fielding skills.

 

Again, the reason why he did well last season is because opposing pitchers didn't know how to pitch to him. Now they do. Everyone in the AL now knows just to throw him offspeed pitches and get him to chase fastballs out of the strike zone.

 

Does anyone really think that Arroyo is actually as good as his numbers reflected last season? NO, it was the first time the NL central faced him and they didn't know him. Expect him to come back down to Earth this year now that they have seen him and know him. Same goes for WMP. The league nows how to get him out. He stands no chance.

 

How can anyone, after watching this game today, say WMP has a future as even a decent player? Do you see his 2 strike outs? He was swinging at balls in the dirt.

 

Ted, read my posts, read ORS's post, read Animal's posts. There are plenty of us who see Pena for the waste of time that he is. Sorry to say that since the guy is a pretty good joe but we are in this to win and he isn't going to help us much. Now if Crisp would finally get off his collective ass and start making some contributions with the bat we wouldn't have to have these exchanges. As it is, we will probably see both of them alternating into the forseeable a future with each one trying to outdo the other in the art of f***ing up.

[example1]

This issue doesn't have to be black/white. WMP has assets that other reserves don't have: power. He lacks things that other reserves don't: plate vision, good contact.

 

If it comes down to have Alex Cora or WMP hitting in the 7th inning down by 2 with a runner on first against a mediocre reliever I'm taking WMP. If it comes down to needing a quality AB against Mariano Rivera I'm taking Hinske.

 

If there were a good offer on the table for WMP I would take it, or include him as part of a deal. I get the sense that Drew will do everythign in his power to stay healthy and that he likes playing in Boston. With Ellsbury coming up eventually there will be an overabundance of OFs (including more well-rounded players like Murphy).

[Mr Crunchy]

hinske has batted 8xs

5 hits 2bbs

he can play 7 different positions and has decent plate discipline

 

why are we still debating this?

pena's future on this team was decided when they went out and signed drew to a 4yr deal

theres no way he gets 300abs on this team without someone injured

[BSN07]

Even with his lack of D, I would much rather see Pedro Cerrano(WMP) get the AB´s over f***ing Coco, Coco looks like he has forgot how to hit the ball, hes hit a couple hard ones the last couple games but I think its more mental for him, I think Boston is getting to him...

[Mr Crunchy]

cant argue with you there sox 07.

crisp should be healed physically

however his mental health may have left the building

[BSN07]

Might as well give Cerrano the next ccouple of series to see if he can make contact with the bat , after that if neither can do it we will have to think about maybe someone new, if Hinske could play OF a little better then I say give him a shot because he seems to be hitting the ball well and atleast getting on base...

[ORS]

Hinske does have the hot bat, and I've always felt you ride 'em till they buck. How about Drew in CF and Hinske in RF? Isn't the best defensive combination, but it would have the most punch right now.