Boras to speak tonight on Matsuzaka issue

[TheKilo]

Jacksonian, what's the point of people signing contracts at all if they don't want to honor them?

 

Matsuzaka is under contract with Seibu. Through the posting system, he has been given an oppurtunity to work here in the US.

 

Boars said last night the final decision will be Daisuke's. Not some beat writer saying that, not a Gordon Edes or a Ken Rosenthal, but BORAS himself.

 

If Matsuzaka chooses to not sign, that is his decision and nothing illegal has taken place.

 

Boras is negotiatig to get a bigger offer from the Red Sox. If he gets some more money than the initial offer he has done his job. It is ultimately Matsuzaka's decision.

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yes' date=' they can. Mac Suzuki did but then hurt his arm.[/quote']

 

 

So, Matsuzaka is bound by his contract in Japan then, right? By the same rules that a teacher is under contract, or Manny Ramirez is under contract? Could Manny go play in Seibu if he wanted?

[jacksonianmarch]

It has been widely reported by many in the media that Matsuzaka may be the pawn that Boras uses to undo the posting system. I have no idea how he would do it, but one avenue was the anti-trust exemption. Aside from that, I can only speculate.

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It has been widely reported by many in the media that Matsuzaka may be the pawn that Boras uses to undo the posting system. I have no idea how he would do it' date=' but one avenue was the anti-trust exemption. Aside from that, I can only speculate.[/quote']

 

The only way to do this would be to get the MLB and Japanese League to get so pissed off at the system that they change it. That's how. By Matsuzaka not coming to the United States because Boras thinks he's Roy Oswalt rather than Brandon Webb, both leagues could get pissed off. Certainly the Red Sox will and I imagine a lot of FO's out there are ready to re-do the system. That's my guess.

[a700hitter]

So' date=' Matsuzaka is bound by his contract in Japan then, right? By the same rules that a teacher is under contract, or Manny Ramirez is under contract? Could Manny go play in Seibu if he wanted?[/quote']It depends on the terms of the contract, but I am sure that this type of situation is covered by the CBA or by a contract between the Japanese league and MLB that is incorporated by reference in the individual player's contracts.

[CrespoBlows]

Couldn't someone sue the Japanese league for only allowing a certain number of non-Japanese players on each team?

 

You'd have a case here, but probably not in Japan.

[TheKilo]

It has been widely reported by many in the media that Matsuzaka may be the pawn that Boras uses to undo the posting system. I have no idea how he would do it' date=' but one avenue was the anti-trust exemption. Aside from that, I can only speculate.[/quote']

 

Boras is trying to create leverage. it's what he does.

 

If he gets more money than the initial offer from the Red Sox he has done his job.

[Beckett95]

Herald reporting the same as boston.com

 

Hey, all of you interested Sox fans (and 10 p.m. TV sports guys), it doesn’t appear that things are going well out in Southern California regarding Matsuzaka. Larry Lucchino and Theo Epstein took a late lunch break (no word on whether or not they went to Bluth’s Frozen Banana Stand) but they plan to return to Scott Boras’ office in Newport Beach for another session. In fact, they may have already returned.

 

Even though Boras said on ESPN2’s Cold Pizza this morning that Daisuke Matsuzaka would be “readily available to respond to any offers and such”, the pitcher was NOT on hand for the first session today.

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Herald reporting the same as boston.com

 

what the hell is this crap?

[Beckett95]

what the hell is this crap?

 

shows how s***** the herald is these days.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lucchino: Hey herald, would you like to have up to date spins to help us?

 

Herald: No, f*** no, f*** NO.

 

Lucchino: Fine, you can continue to be the red headed stepchild in Boston.

 

Herald: Ugh, okay, what do I need to do.

 

Lucchino: Bob the knob beyotch.

 

Herald: Ugh...slurp slurp slurp

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shows how s***** the herald is these days.

 

Was that published? I don't even understand the format... "Hey, Red Sox fans..." and then its nothing new. This is madness I tell you! Madness!

[mosox]

So' date=' Matsuzaka is bound by his contract in Japan then, right? By the same rules that a teacher is under contract, or Manny Ramirez is under contract? Could Manny go play in Seibu if he wanted?[/quote']

 

Manny could go an play only if the Sox allow him to go, and most likely they would want to be compensated.

[Beckett95]

Was that published? I don't even understand the format... "Hey' date=' Red Sox fans..." and then its nothing new. This is madness I tell you! Madness! [/quote']

 

it was writen by Jeff Horrigan?? in their Sox blog

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But, even if Manny's agent wanted him to go, really really bad, he couldn't just leave? It's not his "legal right" to leave a contract without compensation by, say, trying to argue that his right to work had been limited because he couldn't just leave his contract whenever he wanted to?

 

I mean, its almost as if contracts are used rather than sheer opinion to ensure that a player will be around for awhile. I mean, I guess that because of contracts we know that Varitek and Beckett will go to spring training this season, rather than suing the MLB for keeping them from going to Japan.

 

Long story short, Jacksonian's theory doesn't make sense. There could be some lawsuit hiding in there someplace, but I don't think its that people can't break their contracts to get more money elsewhere.

[mosox]

But, even if Manny's agent wanted him to go, really really bad, he couldn't just leave? It's not his "legal right" to leave a contract without compensation by, say, trying to argue that his right to work had been limited because he couldn't just leave his contract whenever he wanted to?

 

I mean, its almost as if contracts are used rather than sheer opinion to ensure that a player will be around for awhile. I mean, I guess that because of contracts we know that Varitek and Beckett will go to spring training this season, rather than suing the MLB for keeping them from going to Japan.

 

Long story short, Jacksonian's theory doesn't make sense. There could be some lawsuit hiding in there someplace, but I don't think its that people can't break their contracts to get more money elsewhere.

 

The stumbling block is that MLB and the Japan League have agreed to recognize each other's contracts. The Sox had a problem with this a few years ago when they got Millar who had already signed a deal in Japan, The Sox ended up paying the Japanese team.

[CrespoBlows]

But, even if Manny's agent wanted him to go, really really bad, he couldn't just leave? It's not his "legal right" to leave a contract without compensation by, say, trying to argue that his right to work had been limited because he couldn't just leave his contract whenever he wanted to?

 

I mean, its almost as if contracts are used rather than sheer opinion to ensure that a player will be around for awhile. I mean, I guess that because of contracts we know that Varitek and Beckett will go to spring training this season, rather than suing the MLB for keeping them from going to Japan.

 

Long story short, Jacksonian's theory doesn't make sense. There could be some lawsuit hiding in there someplace, but I don't think its that people can't break their contracts to get more money elsewhere.

 

I'm sure he could just leave, but Ramirez would lose over $40 million dollars, and he isn't guaranteed a job in Japan. I don't know if Japan would honor a signing such as Ramirez. Would it be worth the irrepairable damage between the two leagues? :dunno:

 

He probably could play in China.

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The negotiations continue??? translators involved? hmmm

 

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/redSox/?p=792

[jacksonianmarch]

and you had to post that at 11:21 pm. DICK!!! just kidding. Now I am gonna be up at 630 seeing what the hell happened.

[jacksonianmarch]

2 days left. Which really means something like 12-15 hours left as the sox will be leaving in the am to go back east. Tick tick tick.

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and you had to post that at 11:21 pm. DICK!!! just kidding. Now I am gonna be up at 630 seeing what the hell happened.

 

West Coast time baby! Gotta love it. Greatest sports timezone by far.

[mosox]

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

According to a source with direct knowledge of negotiations, an evening meeting between the Sox and agent Scott Boras has already broken up, suggesting that an impasse remains between the sides.

The evening session lasted just 40 minutes. At around 11:40 p.m., Epstein told a crowd of reporters as he left that the Sox officials were headed for dinner and might not return. "Everything is up to Matsuzaka,'' Epstein told the reporters there.

About 35 minutes later, Boras, who was accompanied by a Japanese interpreter, left his offices. "Maybe I'll have something to tell you later today,'' he said before leaving in a Cadillac Escalade.

 

That's it. Now it's up to D-Mat. I just hope Theo's plane leaves on time regardless of what happens.

[mosox]

Has there been any official word about Drew's physical? Theo may have timed this out brilliantly and worked a little more leverage for the Sox. I can only hope he hinted to Boras as he left that there may be a problem with Drew's physical, and he'll have to fly back to Boston to get an update.

[TedWilliams101]

Where is Matsuzaka in all this? Supposedly it's been his dream to play in the majors, yet we haven't seen him active at all during this process. If he were really that set on playing in the MLB, why have we heard almost nothing from him in the last few weeks?

[RedSoxRooter]

"Dialogue continues"

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

Just after midnight on the West Coast, and a source with direct ties to negotiations said that "dialgoue continues" between the two sides. That would appear to leave open the possibility that a deal could still be struck before the Sox make their scheduled departure this morning, but nothing appeared imminent, as just a short time earlier, another source had said there was "no chance" of a deal being made tonight.

 

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I give up

[BSN07]

I'm 6 hours ahead of you guys, so I figured I'd post this for you morning pleasures.

 

 

Matsuzaka wants $11M per year; Sox offering $8M

Posted by Michael Silverman at 4:03 am

 

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Pessimism from both sides of these Daisuke Matsuzaka talks rules the day, or early morning, but talks are not dead and the deadline is still not until Thursday (in case you hadn’t heard).

 

No one wants to go on the record as of yet but here’s the latest info, according to plugged-in sources: The Red Sox’ latest offer to Matsuzaka is six years for $8 million. Matsuzaka has counter-offered with six years for $11 million and that is the deal the Red Sox are weighing heading into the early hours of Wednesday morning.

The Red Sox are saying that if Matsuzaka is not on John Henry’s plane that heads back to Boston this morning, there is no chance of the deal getting done because he will not have time to have a physical. Matsuzaka’s camp is not concerned with the Red Sox’ timeline on private jets and physicals.

 

Basically, both sides are becoming more adamant about how they are willing to walk away from this deal, and this is after the Red Sox got their face to face meeting, however brief, with Matsuzaka Tuesday night. The Red Sox are shaking their heads, wondering how Matsuzaka and his agent Scott Boras can overlook the $51.11 million that they will send to the Seibu Lions if Matsuzka signs, meaning a total commitment of more than $99 million. Meanwhile Matsuzaka and Boras are wondering if the Red Sox think Daisuke Matsuzaka is Japanese for “Gil Meche'’ or “Randy Wolf.'’

 

How does $9.5 million a year for six years sound? Anyone? Anyone?

 

 

I said I wouldn't comment on this until after the deadline, but if they don't seriously consider siging this guy for 11M a year I will place full blame on the Sox FO. This is stupid, I was with them when it was said Boras wanted like 16-20M a season, but 11M it completely reasonable at this point in time. Boras is an ******* and I hate him, but this seems like a nice deal at 6 years 11M a seasson(if it is true).

 

SIDENOTE: 6 years, 11M a season, thats 6y 66M, 666 I knew Boras was the devil!LOL:o

[Bud]

just get this f***ing s*** done with already!

[BSN07]

If 11M is on the table they better take it is all I have to say. After the splurges they have made so far this offseason, if they get petty over 3M for a decent pitcher, I'm not going to be a happy camper.

 

If Boras has come down from 15-20M a year to 11M a year for 6 years, its well with in reason and is not an outrageous contract demand.

 

I guess we will know by tomorrow:thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

wow, the sox are f***ing cheap. 6yrs 48 mil? After dishing out 5 yrs 70 on Nancy Drew? You gotta be kididng me.

[BoSox21]

11mil is definitely reasonable considering the market today. they'd be fools not to take it