Trading Manny

[User Name]

Sorry if this did not deserve its own thread, but I wanted to know everyone else's feelings on this matter.

 

Even though it happens annually now, the talk of Manny Ramirez being traded this year is heating up and it is looking more and more likely he will leave.

 

I, for one, am interested in the Red Sox's baseball operations, and I obviously want them to do well. I understand Manny is getting older, but:

 

Does anyone feel like they will be extremely sad if Manny Ramirez leaves?

 

I know I will, even if we get a great trade for him. I will be happy about who we recieved, but just losing Manny will kill me. I love the guy, and even though his antics are sometimes annoying, I personally find they add to the character that is Manny, and are even sometimes funny.

 

How do you guys feel?

[BSN07]

Manny is one of my all time favorite Sox players. With that said, Manny gave up on us last year. He gave up on the fans and his teammates. Yes we probaly didn't have a great shot at the playoffs or going very far in the playoffs with the rotation the way it was, but the situation could have been handled differently. I think the issue is that Manny is 35, made all the money he could ever want, has a WS ring, and is a first ballot HOF. He has nothing more to prove, but living and playing in BOS he is still scrutinized by the media, and after awhile anyone will tire of that. The media doesn't like him because he doesn't like talking to them. Manny loves baseball and will talk baseball all day everyday, but that's not what the media wants. They want to hear how much he wants to beat the NYY blah blah blah, and Manny doesn't talk about that stuff so he ignores the media and they fry him for it.

 

Yes he has his "Manny being Manny"moments, but most of us have become acustomed to them. When he gave up last summer tho he crossed a line that not many are able to return from. His biggest supporter Papi, finds himself questioning Manny if he was really too hurt to play, Lorretta also saying it was a distraction in the clubhouse. Manny has done everything we have asked of him, he's made us laugh, cry, cheer, and helped bring a long awaited WS victory to our historic franchise. So thats why it's hard for me to say it, but I do believe it is time to part ways with MR. Ramirez and look towards a new direction.

 

I'd like to see a trade with LA. One that would bring Kemp to BOS. Plus either Billinglsy/ another young arm and a third prospect not sure who tho. Kemp is the center piece of the deal tho. He is said to be a doubles and HR guy with great D in the OF. Now with Manny gone they will need an experienced bat to hit behind Papi, and Drew I don't see as the right fit although he will be a good 5 hitter for the club. If a contract extension can be reached with A. Jones in ATL then after Manny is traded send Crisp and two prospects to ATL for him. This ensures a good CF and a proven bat to back up Papi. No he's no Manny but he seems to be the best available if he even is. Of course this is all speculation, but if we trade Manny a big bat will have to be brought in. They might decide tho to wait until the Jones, Wells and Hunter become FA next year , that will leave our offense thin for the 07 season. I think a deal could get done, with Drew in RF, Jones in CF and Kemp in LF with WMP as the fourth OF they could be really fun to watch.

 

With all these trades being talked of, I'm not sure where but somewhere a young SS has to be aquired. Where are said to be fading in the Lugo sweepstakes, and we don't have one ready in the minors. So some how we need to pull one out of the hat.

 

1B Youk

2B Pedroia

SS (prospect from somewhere)

3B Lowell

RF Drew

CF Jones

LF Kemp

C Varitek

DH Papi

 

This not be a offensive juggernaut, but with our young good pitching, this could be a very young, very fun team to watch, and I for one would rather them be young and fun to watch, then a bunch of older bought names like the NYY( not trying to pick a fight but you know what I mean). I mean this team everyday player wise the oldest player would be TEK. If all this some how worked out( and I know it's a stretch no need to state this in post to come) this would be a youth movement that also benifits us now and the future.

[Gom]

Manny has to be one of my favorite all-time non-Yankees. I for one, enjoyed seeing him play. Although I won't be sad that he leaves the Sox, I will be sad to not see him anymore.

 

The funny thing, with him being from New York and all...I think New York likes him more than Boston.

[jacksonianmarch]

If anyone tries to tell you that the sox are better off without manny, you should smack them in the face. Manny is potentially the best right handed hitter since Henry Aaron. No matter who ythe sox get, they will not get equal value.

[BSN07]

Well unless you have been living under a rock or something, then yes of course you have to know you wont get back equal value on Manny. He is the best RH hitter the game has seen in along time. But when the best hitter doesn't want to play for you, and becomes a distraction then I don't see the harm and trying to get the best deal you can for him and go from there.

 

I got this from the Boston globe and thought if it was Peavy and Gonzalez then that might be about as close as a equal trade you might get. Of course I found this after I posted saying he should go to LA, but either deal is probably the best you will beable to get for him.

 

The Sox also remained deep in Manny Ramírez trade talks with the Padres, with San Diego sweetening its original offer, according to a source with direct knowledge of the talks. The Padres are offering major league players for Ramírez, a package that presumably would have to include one of two pitchers: prime setup man Scott Linebrink or ace Jake Peavy. The Sox also have coveted Adrian Gonzalez, a lefthanded-hitting first baseman who put up outstanding numbers in his first full season in 2006: .304, 24 home runs, 38 doubles, and 82 RBIs.

 

If that is the case then our rotation will be the best in the league by far, and with getting Gonzalez, Youk can be moved to 3rd and Lowell sent away for bullpen help. But it's speculation, just thought I would put it out there.

[schillingouttheks]

The Sox also remained deep in Manny Ramírez trade talks with the Padres' date=' with San Diego sweetening its original offer, according to a source with direct knowledge of the talks. The Padres are offering major league players for Ramírez, a package that presumably would have to include one of two pitchers: prime setup man Scott Linebrink or ace Jake Peavy. The Sox also have coveted Adrian Gonzalez, a lefthanded-hitting first baseman who put up outstanding numbers in his first full season in 2006: .304, 24 home runs, 38 doubles, and 82 RBIs.[/quote']

 

If I'm the Red Sox, I'm letting the Padres know that the only way they get Manny is if I get all 3 in return. Not just 1 of the 2 pitchers. If I'm the Sox, I also don't care about appearing to be crazy in San Diego's eyes because I have Manny Ramirez, and I don't NEED to trade him. In fact, I don't want to, but I better get a damn good package in return. I wouldn't settle for anything less than a packagae of Linebrink, Peavy and Gonzalez.

[riverside sluggers]

BOS: Jake Peavy

Scott Linebrink

Adrian Gonzalez

 

SD: Manny Ramirez

Mike Lowell (yes they did just trade for a 3rd baseman prospect, but Lowell would be a solid pick up for them as he could help Kouz with his defense a la what Snow did for Youk)

cash considerations

 

yes please

[rician blast]

If I'm the Red Sox' date=' I'm letting the Padres know that the only way they get Manny is if I get all 3 in return. Not just 1 of the 2 pitchers. [/quote']

 

On NESN this am it was stated that there are many teams interested in Manny and that the Sox in fact were being pretty hard-nosed about what they get in return, since this is no longer a pure salary dump in the wake of the $$$ being thrown at guys like Soriano, Lee, etc.

 

Its still quite possible, apparently, that the Sox will be looking at top prospects in return as it is unlikely they'll get equal major league talent in return.

[mosox]

I'm hoping this is all a pointless exercise to just satisfy Manny. This team cannot afford to overload it's lineup with lefthanded hitters. Manny's bat from the right side is needed and for all his faults he is among the best. I do not see the Red Sox getting better by getting rid of Manny.

[BSN07]

If the Red Sox could get all three in return, as well as sending Lowell there as well, I think would be the absolute best deal they could get. It gives them another solid arm in the rotation, a bullpen arm and a young talented 1B that has the promise of good production. Move Youk to third. The only thing left to look for is a SS and maybe a closer if your not going to use linbrink. But that's alot SD would have to give up so I won't hold my breath, but that would be a very tempting deal indeed.

 

No they won't be better "now"if they get rid of him. He is going to be 35, has knee issues and who knows what else. Yes he will produce for the next couple of seasons, but if he doesn't want to be in BOS, then get something for him now. No our lineup won't be as good but with our pitching we will still win games. With Matsuzaka,Beckett,Peavy,Papelbon, we will have the best rotation in baseball. We know pitching wins championships, load up on it when it's avaliable and then work on the offense. I for one would rather have all those arms for teams to have to get threw then Just one big hitter.

[riverside sluggers]

I'm hoping this is all a pointless exercise to just satisfy Manny. This team cannot afford to overload it's lineup with lefthanded hitters. Manny's bat from the right side is needed and for all his faults he is among the best. I do not see the Red Sox getting better by getting rid of Manny.

 

Where is it that the Sox have a lot of left-handed hitters? The bench is left handed as it stands right now: Hinske, Murphy, Cora. David Ortiz and JD Drew would be the lone starters, with Coco & Tek being switch hitters.

[riverside sluggers]

No they won't be better "now"if they get rid of him. He is going to be 35' date=' has knee issues and who knows what else. Yes he will produce for the next couple of seasons, but if he doesn't want to be in BOS, then get something for him now. No our lineup won't be as good but with our pitching we will still win games. With Matsuzaka,Beckett,Peavy,Papelbon, we will have the best rotation in baseball. We know pitching wins championships, load up on it when it's avaliable and then work on the offense. I for one would rather have all those arms for teams to have to get threw then Just one big hitter.[/quote']

 

A rotation of Schilling, Peavy, Matsuzaka, Beckett and Papelbon... damn if ever such a chance came along, I couldnt miss any of those games.

[Cocos Disciples]

Peavy in the mix?

Padres ace Jake Peavy could be included in a deal for Manny Ramirez, according to the Globe's Gordon Edes. Peavy struggled in 2006, going 11-14 with a 4.09 ERA. The righthander was lights out the previous two seasons, going 15-6 with a 2.27 ERA in 2004 and 13-7 with a 2.88 ERA in 2005. Peavy was rumored to be available last season but the Padres never pulled the trigger on a deal.

 

Per Boston.com

 

I like the Manny and Lowell for Peavy, Linebrink and Gonzalez. It's my favorite of the Manny rumors...but I still don't wanna deal him.

[BSN07]

Trust me I love Manny, but with that rotation I'll pack his bags for him:D With all those young arms in the rotation, it might make a few of our real young arms expendable, and if it was needed they might bring in a decent bat.

 

1B Gonzalez

2B Pedroia

SS ? Find a young prospect or Lugo

3B Youk

RF Drew

CF Crisp or a big bat form another trade

LF WMP

C TEK

 

1.Schilling

2.Matsuzaka

3.Peavy

4.Beckett

5. Papelbon

Even with no LH pitcher that is a scary scary rotation. With Manny gone our offense would not be as good but with that pitching it might not have to be. If this happens we could see a rotation that hasn't be seen since the 90's with ATL rotation of Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, Avery/Millwood. Like I said I love Manny, but Pitching wins in October and that is what it is all about.

[ksushi]

Trust me I love Manny, but with that rotation I'll pack his bags for him:D With all those young arms in the rotation, it might make a few of our real young arms expendable, and if it was needed they might bring in a decent bat.

 

1B Gonzalez

2B Pedroia

SS ? Find a young prospect or Lugo

3B Youk

RF Drew

CF Crisp or a big bat form another trade

LF WMP

C TEK

 

1.Schilling

2.Matsuzaka

3.Peavy

4.Beckett

5. Papelbon

Even with no LH pitcher that is a scary scary rotation. With Manny gone our offense would not be as good but with that pitching it might not have to be. If this happens we could see a rotation that hasn't be seen since the 90's with ATL rotation of Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, Avery/Millwood. Like I said I love Manny, but Pitching wins in October and that is what it is all about.

 

 

A Rotation doesn't need a lefty, a bullpen does. Especially in Fenway its probably a good idea to keep lefties out of our rotation. Don't tell that to Bill Lee and David Wells though...

[BSN07]

Well they are close to signing that LHP from Japan. So theres the LH for the pen.

[mar_022]

I'd love to see the aforementioned trade of Lowell/Manny for Linebrink/Peavy/Gonzalez, but i really doubt SD will be that desperate for manny. I'd settle for either of these:

 

Manny for Linebrink/Gonzalez/Khalil Greene

 

Manny for Peavy/Gonzalez

 

Either of these would still be great return for manny. Plus, in either, we could still send lowell somewhere for a pitcher or another need, maybe even a prospect

[adam123]

ok .. manny is great but man if we can get that deal from sd gotta take it i think thats the best or the dodgers and take those prospects and send them to alt for jones .. hopefully we get peavy hes great

[Fried Neckbones]

Manny is one of my all time favorite Sox players. With that said, Manny gave up on us last year. He gave up on the fans and his teammates. Yes we probaly didn't have a great shot at the playoffs or going very far in the playoffs with the rotation the way it was, but the situation could have been handled differently. I think the issue is that Manny is 35, made all the money he could ever want, has a WS ring, and is a first ballot HOF. He has nothing more to prove, but living and playing in BOS he is still scrutinized by the media, and after awhile anyone will tire of that. The media doesn't like him because he doesn't like talking to them. Manny loves baseball and will talk baseball all day everyday, but that's not what the media wants. They want to hear how much he wants to beat the NYY blah blah blah, and Manny doesn't talk about that stuff so he ignores the media and they fry him for it.

 

Yes he has his "Manny being Manny"moments, but most of us have become acustomed to them. When he gave up last summer tho he crossed a line that not many are able to return from. His biggest supporter Papi, finds himself questioning Manny if he was really too hurt to play, Lorretta also saying it was a distraction in the clubhouse. Manny has done everything we have asked of him, he's made us laugh, cry, cheer, and helped bring a long awaited WS victory to our historic franchise. So thats why it's hard for me to say it, but I do believe it is time to part ways with MR. Ramirez and look towards a new direction.

 

That pretty much sums up my feelings perfectly, bosoxnation. Well said.

 

There definitly seem to be a couple of good options for Manny deals out there. They both have pretty significant question marks, though. Aside from the seeming contingency of getting Drew signed (which seems to be a couple of days off at this point), both the SD deal and the LA to ATL deal have a huge issue. With the SD deal, there is the question of 1, who are we getting. I agree with other posters that the FO might as well go for broke and ask for all three players - Peavy, Linebrink, and Gonzalez. What the hell, right. And 2, is Peavy going to transition to the ALE from the anemic NLW? I think he is a tremendous pitcher, no doubt, but we could be looking at a Beckett part 2 here, especially coming off a down year. As for the LA/ATL deal, 1, is ATL even going to trade Andruw for young pitching and Coco (or whoever)? Probably yes, but we could end up with a couple of young unproven arms and another outfield/1b prospect. Not that that's a bad thing, just not to good for '07. 2, is Andruw going to sign an extension as a part of any trade. I don't want to rent a center fielder for a year and then be back in the same boat next off-season.

 

Just a couple of thoughts, not trying to be a wet blanket.

[Papelbon58]

To answer the thread's original question. While I do think it is a good baseball decision to trade Manny now, I will be sad to see him go. That goofball patrolling left field is a major clubhouse and fan loss. I will miss Manny, but the time to get value is now, and we have to move on. Just remember what he did for us.

[Bruce]

Latest rumor is Manny to LA for Kemp, Broxton, Billingsley, and Loney. Dodgers have 72 hours to work out an acceptable extension for Ramirez.

[Papelbon58]

that is kind of detailed, where did it come from?

[Beckett95]

Latest rumor is Manny to LA for Kemp' date=' Broxton, Billingsley, and Loney. Dodgers have 72 hours to work out an acceptable extension for Ramirez.[/quote']

 

Link???

 

Thats a trade BOS would have to make

 

If they do make that deal, my guess is they would also have a deal in place for A Jones or another big bat

[Bruce]

Ok, now it's apparently 2 of that group, plus "a young vet like Wilson Betemit." I don't know if that means Betemit or what.

 

This is all coming from nomaas.org, there's a guy there who usually seems to have some inside dope. Believe it if you want.

[Ray10]

Where on the page does it talk about. If it's in the discussion boards then you have to register to read it.

[Bruce]

Where on the page does it talk about. If it's in the discussion boards then you have to register to read it.

 

Yes, you do. That's why I told you what was said.

[Rdsxmbnt]

come on guys we arent getting peavy, linebrink AND gonzalez for manny and lowell, no way. We'd be lucky to get Peavy and linebrink if even that. Not that I wouldnt mind that mentioned trade but its completely unrealistic.

[TheKilo]

Ok, now it's apparently 2 of that group, plus "a young vet like Wilson Betemit." I don't know if that means Betemit or what.

 

This is all coming from nomaas.org, there's a guy there who usually seems to have some inside dope. Believe it if you want.

 

 

 

Manny for Kemp, Broxton, and Betemit is pretty solid, actually.

[mosox]

Where is it that the Sox have a lot of left-handed hitters? The bench is left handed as it stands right now: Hinske' date=' Murphy, Cora. David Ortiz and JD Drew would be the lone starters, with Coco & Tek being switch hitters.[/quote']

 

The Sox need to keep the lefty-righty-lefty mix of power hitters. It's what forces managers to make pitching changes. Coco and Tek have alot to prove. Edes is writing this afternoon that SD is offering Adrian Gonzalez, another power lefty. We'll keep piling up the lefty hitters and NY will keep signing lefty starters.

[Mr Crunchy]

jake peavy didnt exactly have a great year pitching in a great ballpark for pitchers

 

11-14 with a 4.09??

i dunno why anyone has him pencilled in for the cy young yet

linebrink is a good pitcher and has set up hoffman very well

 

the l.a guys are still debatable

kemp and loney are 2 big guys who are still blossoming

256abs and 40rbi between them last year

1b and OF types who may or may not develop and may have been rushed due to nomar being nomar and dl'd for a while last year...

you put them in the meat market here in boston as the replacement for the last world series mvp since babe ruth here and youre setting them up for failure

 

sheff wouldve been a nice fit if manny is leaving

i dont like the way this is progressing