Would you trade Manny for A-ROD?

[schillingouttheks]

Who wants Lugo.Gonzo is excellent defensively.Lugo has clay hands.Defense is going to win us mre games.Why not pick up Kip Wells instead?We need a #5 more than we need another bat.

He was kidding.

 

Can you put spaces between sentences or do you only do it between words within a sentence? It's very annoying. And also, please, that humongous motion emoticon in your sig is quite annoying.

[Cocos Disciples]

No, he has already set his place in Red Sox history as a key member of the choke squad. He would never be welcome here anyway. Even by the players. How awkward...Varitek and ARod.

[redsox71490]

If the Red Sox FO made this move there would be the biggest riot in Boston since the Revolution. Seriously, people would die.

[SoxFan25]

my answer:

 

:laughs: nah good with manny.

[CrespoBlows]

I understand your position, but you really think it would help those mental aspects to play in Boston? Please, we would be all over him if he didn't do 100% of what would be expected of him. He would know that if he came here and had something go wrong, there would be a bounty on his head for coming to Boston from New York and not producing and living up to expectations. Besides, I'd much rather pay Manny $20 million who has proven his success in Boston year in and year out, than pay A-Rod's salary and hold my breath.

 

The example I'm trying to put out there is the Manny Ramirez situation. Remember when Ramirez started slow last year? Hell, even this year. The fans were supportive of him, and no one really worried whether he would pick it up. In New York, they booed Derek Jeter when he was batting .162. I believe that New York's fan base is much harsher then that of Boston's. A move to Fenway would probably help Rodriguez. It's easy to say that right now, you'd boo Alex Rodriguez if he was a Red Sox, but honestly, I don't think I'd do that until he showed us that he can't play up to an elite level. Right now, Rodriguez has 21 HR's which probably goes up to 25 or 26 HR's in Boston. I don't think any would have a problem with that kind of production. The clutch argument has to go as well. Last year, Rodriguez was the tougher out in the late situation then Ortiz was. Besides, Ortiz isn't going anywhere. He'd be able to pick up for Rodriguez.

 

Obviously I would take Carlos Lee and A-Rod, but who's to say a Carlos Lee would replace Manny? There are too many other paths that the Red Sox could follow. I'd rather have Manny leading the AL in assists and putting up those power numbers we all know and love than watching A-Rod try to survive in Boston.

 

Ramirez value in the outfield is a bit overblown. He gets a lot of assists mainly because he plays a deep shortstop rather then a left field. I'm guessing Lee would probably come close to matching Ramriez, defensively. (Not saying Ramirez hasn't been better in left, but the guy isn't a gold glover)

 

By the way, taking your side doesn't warrant getting blasted. You put forth a sensible argument, and I can see why you'd take him.

 

By the way, I'm assuming he would play SS here, correct?

 

Thank you sir, as do you.

 

Oh, and yes. Rodriguez would play SS.

[CrespoBlows]

If he can't Handle Skankee Stadium,he certainly can't handle the baseball universe of the world.

 

Skankee Stadium?

 

wow thats liek soooooo orginal.... :dance:

[26 to 6]

BTW, I'd just like to say thank you to whoever put the kibosh on that three-way trade between the Red Sox, White Sox and Rangers a couple of years ago. Remember that? It would've been A-Rod to my Sox, Ordonez to your Sox and Manny to the Rangers.

No, it was Nomar to your Sox, A-Rod and Magglio to their Sox, and Manny to the Rangers.

 

As a Yankee fan I wouldnt do this. A-Rod, despite his troubles here in New York is the BEST ALL AROUND PLAYER IN BASEBALL. Because of his troubles off the field particularily, and his occasional troubles on the field, that fact seems to be overlooked quite a bit. This guy will end his career as the Home Run champion and as arguably the best player in the history of Baseball. He is just determined to win right now and that's what he has on the frontburner right now. And with that big pot on the front burner you're bound to get burned a little bit from time to time. But nevertheless, he is the most talneted player in baseball right now.

[RedSoxRooter]

He's like Barbaro. Great athlete, but a winner? No.

[26 to 6]

I imagine A-Rod would spit in Cashman's face (he'd probably miss though) if he asked him to waive the no trade clause for this.

I can't see him doing that. Though I can see him crying.

 

Obviously this wont happen and I pray it doesnt, but what about the possibility of Arod moving to LF. He is the worst fielding 3rd baseman in baseball and i think it might be tough for him to go back to SS.

What are you, stupid? A-Rod is defintely not the worst fieldiong third baseman in baseball. Granted, he has obviously struggled (understatement) this year, but in 2004 and 2005, his first two years as a third baseman, he would have won two gold gloves had it not been for Eric Chavez. As for him not being able to move back to shortstop, what the f*** are you talking about? What would give you the sense that he wouldnt be able to move back to shortstop? Give him a spring training to get settled in again and he'll be fine.

[a700hitter]

What would give you the sense that he wouldnt be able to move back to shortstop?

SS is his natural position. He has played there his entire life. It's like second nature for him. If he went back to SS, he would n't be obsessing about his footwork and arm angle, because he could just rely on the muscle memory that he developed over 20+ years of palying the position since childhood. It might allow him to clear his mind and just perform.

[DirtDog]

I would rather have A-rod.

[Teddyballgame10]

A-rod is already hated in Boston why are people even talking about this how would we ever accept him. Earse this thread

[CrespoBlows]

A-rod is already hated in Boston why are people even talking about this how would we ever accept him. Earse this thread

 

Why do you hate him? If A-Rod were to play for the Boston Red Sox tommorow, he'd have me as a fan, because he is a Red Sox. That's more then good enough reason to me.

 

Just for the record, when did A-Rod become Whitey Bulger?

[DirtDog]

Why do you hate him? If A-Rod were to play for the Boston Red Sox tommorow, he'd have me as a fan, because he is a Red Sox. That's more then good enough reason to me.

 

Just for the record, when did A-Rod become Whitey Bulger?

 

You're right. You'd have to be an idiot to not want A-Rod on your team.

[Teddyballgame10]

We dont need someone who cant hit under pressure and makes that much money. He wouldnt be able to hack it in Boston just like in NY. Did you completly forget about that brawl when Arroyo hit him on the ELBOW pad and he had a little s*** fit come on.

[DirtDog]

We dont need someone who cant hit under pressure and makes that much money. He wouldnt be able to hack it in Boston just like in NY. Did you completly forget about that brawl when Arroyo hit him on the ELBOW pad and he had a little s*** fit come on.

 

If A-Rod came to Boston in 2004, he would be an icon here. Manny does not always hit in the clutch either. So what? The Yankees are only paying him a little more than we are playing Matt Clement for God's sake. You can't say he would wilt under the pressure in Boston. He won an MVP Award last year in New York. Although maybe not having as good of a year this year, he was player of the month in May. How exactly is he wilting?

[Mr Crunchy]

ted

this guy led baseball in game winning hits last year i believe

 

some of them had to be under pressure i would think

[CrespoBlows]

We dont need someone who cant hit under pressure and makes that much money. He wouldnt be able to hack it in Boston just like in NY. Did you completly forget about that brawl when Arroyo hit him on the ELBOW pad and he had a little s*** fit come on.

 

Statistics show that Rodriguez is the tougher out in the postseason, and was a tougher out in the clutch in 2005 then David Ortiz. Besides, Ortiz isn't going anywhere. He'd be able to pick up for Rodriguez. Also, Ortiz is a good teammate, and a buddy of Rodriguez. If Ortiz was a Yankee, he probably wouldn't sit back and let Rodriguez take this. That's why I don't get the love obsession with Jeter. Where has he been this year? Rudy G, is a better teammate then Jeter is.

 

Anyway, the salary difference between Rodriguez and Ramirez is not that much. In fact, Ramirez makes more then Rodriguez if you count the money that goes toward the Texas Rangers.

 

I remember the "brawl" and the "slap", but I've forgotten about that. It happened two years ago. In fact, I'm more disappointed at the Red Sox fans for inventing, Gay-Rod, Slappy McBlueLips, and A-Fraud. <_>

 

Look at it this way, you got a chance to acquire the best SS in baseball. Why would you turn that down? I love Manny, but c'mon, Carlos Lee and Rodriguez, or Ramirez and Lugo/Gonzalez?

[SCM33]

If A-Rod came to Boston in 2004, he would be an icon here. Manny does not always hit in the clutch either. So what? The Yankees are only paying him a little more than we are playing Matt Clement for God's sake. You can't say he would wilt under the pressure in Boston. He won an MVP Award last year in New York. Although maybe not having as good of a year this year, he was player of the month in May. How exactly is he wilting?

 

 

Ahhh, actually Manny Ramirez is one of the best run producers EVER to walk on the field. I believe hitting with runners in scoring position is a clutch situation. Manny is one of the top RBI men to ever wear a uniform.

[DirtDog]

Statistics show that Rodriguez is the tougher out in the postseason, and was a tougher out in the clutch in 2005 then David Ortiz. Besides, Ortiz isn't going anywhere. He'd be able to pick up for Rodriguez. Also, Ortiz is a good teammate, and a buddy of Rodriguez. If Ortiz was a Yankee, he probably wouldn't sit back and let Rodriguez take this. That's why I don't get the love obsession with Jeter. Where has he been this year? Rudy G, is a better teammate then Jeter is.

 

Anyway, the salary difference between Rodriguez and Ramirez is not that much. In fact, Ramirez makes more then Rodriguez if you count the money that goes toward the Texas Rangers.

 

I remember the "brawl" and the "slap", but I've forgotten about that. It happened two years ago. In fact, I'm more disappointed at the Red Sox fans for inventing, Gay-Rod, Slappy McBlueLips, and A-Fraud. <_>

 

Look at it this way, you got a chance to acquire the best SS in baseball. Why would you turn that down? I love Manny, but c'mon, Carlos Lee and Rodriguez, or Ramirez and Lugo/Gonzalez?

 

I think the deal was with Maggs Ordonez not Carlos Lee, but all great points. In some ways Jeter's refusal to pick up A-rod is kind of puzzling. He states to the media that he wouldn't comment on something like that. The only person that's been behind A-rod is Brian Cashman.

[DirtDog]

Ahhh, actually Manny Ramirez is one of the best run producers EVER to walk on the field. I believe hitting with runners in scoring position is a clutch situation. Manny is one of the top RBI men to ever wear a uniform.

 

My point isn't about run-producing, it's about being clutch. When was the last time you remember Manny hitting a homer after the 7th inning? How's Manny's glove working out for us, too?

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Manny, but I think A-rod is the logical choice.

[CrespoBlows]

Ahhh, actually Manny Ramirez is one of the best run producers EVER to walk on the field. I believe hitting with runners in scoring position is a clutch situation. Manny is one of the top RBI men to ever wear a uniform.

 

Ramirez played on some pretty good Cleveland Indian offenses. That's probably why he drove in some many runs. Driving in Vizquel and Alomar when they're getting on 40% of time is easier then driving in Young, and Everett when they're getting on 30% of the time.

[ORS]

I'd take ARod over Manny, but only because of what position he can play. Those numbers out of a SS are freakish. Manny is the better and more complete (and consistent) hitter.

[CrespoBlows]

I'd take ARod over Manny, but only because of what position he can play. Those numbers out of a SS are freakish. Manny is the better and more complete (and consistent) hitter.

 

Bingo.

[SCM33]

I agreee on that.

[gosox920]

no because manny has been a better player than A-Rod overall

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd trade Manny Ramirez for A-Rod then turn around and trade A-Rod for Albert Pujols

[Red Sox Rulz]

Rumor has it,miguel cabrera is available. If this is true,and we could swing a deal,and it was allowed.........Man!!!!

[rician blast]

I'd trade Manny Ramirez for A-Rod then turn around and trade A-Rod for Albert Pujols

 

too bad St Louis wouldn't do it

[yeszir]

I love the typo in the first post. Maybe + Baby (ARod) = Baybe.