The Yankee Thread

[riverside sluggers]

For the sox' date=' they have a ton to do, which I highlighted in my sox to do list. The closer I wanted is now gone (Cordero re-upped with the brew crew). Wickman is gone too (re-upped with the Braves). Closer by committee is scary IMHO and having Hansen there would be even worse.[/quote']

 

With how Keith Foulke finished up the year after coming off of the diabled list... The best option for the Sox right now is to exercise his 3.5 million team option and give him another chance at being what he was pre-2005

[Mr Crunchy]

abreaus pricey

he's what??

19M per?

or

about what they'll be eating in arod salary when they send him to cincinatti kc or pittsburg

 

abreau gave them a good 3 months and was the catalyst while matsui and sheff were healing

but considering how well melky cabrerra played and the fact that theyve got damon and matsui already along with some other young talent im not so sure they keep abreau knowing how much they need pitching

 

2002,03,04,05 and now 06 the yanks had such amazing streaks of hitting futility

im not so sure this group will ever win anything again as is

 

the yanks of 96-2000 were hard not to like

how can you not like bernie tito jimmy key rivera pettite ect....

they played baseball,they were a team,they played an nl style baseball and were committed to this team thing sort of like the patriots were

then they got greedy

[Mr Crunchy]

With how Keith Foulke finished up the year after coming off of the diabled list... The best option for the Sox right now is to exercise his 3.5 million team option and give him another chance at being what he was pre-2005

 

foulkes option is 7 i think

his buyout was 3.5 but i agree

why not give him a pop

he was solid after the allstar break and we'll be eating a ton of his salary anyways

of course theres also matt clement

:lol: :lol:

[Papelbon58]

Keith Foulke p

3 years/$20.25M (2004-06), plus 2007 option

 

$1.5M signing bonus

04:$3M, 05:$7M, 06:$7.25M, 07:$7.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) or $3.75M player option

 

2007 option vests at $7.5M with 45 GF each 04-06 or total of 95 GF 05-06

2007 option vests at $7.75M with 53 GF in 2006

2007 option becomes $7.75M player option if Foulke finishes in top 5 in Cy Young balloting in any of the contract's first 3 years (2004, 2005 or 2006)

 

agent: Dan Horwitz, Beverly Hills Sports Council

ML service: 8.094

 

courtesy Cot's Baseball Contracts

[ARod2212]

Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching.

 

The offense is fine, but they need to take pressure off of it. It is tough to win when you're depending upon a 3 run homer, especially in the playoffs. Seriously explore Zito, Matsuzaka, Schmidt and Pettitte. We need a big game pitcher, not Jaret Wright.

[Mr Crunchy]

didnt jarett wright as an 18 year old throw a 1-0 shutout in yankee stadium to win the pennant in a game 7??

does it get any bigger than that

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

didnt jarett wright as an 18 year old throw a 1-0 shutout in yankee stadium to win the pennant in a game 7??

does it get any bigger than that

 

No, no he didn't.

[Mr Crunchy]

October 6, 1997 at Jacobs Field (Cleveland Guardians)

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

- - - - - - - - - - - -

New York Yankees 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 3 12 0

Cleveland Guardians 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 X 4 7 2

 

PITCHERS: NYY - Pettitte, Nelson (7), Stanton (8)

CLE - Wright, Jackson (6), Assenmacher (7), Mesa (8)

 

apologies

alds and it wasnt a shutout just a simple mugging

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

October 6, 1997 at Jacobs Field (Cleveland Guardians)

 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

- - - - - - - - - - - -

New York Yankees 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 3 12 0

Cleveland Guardians 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 X 4 7 2

 

PITCHERS: NYY - Pettitte, Nelson (7), Stanton (8)

CLE - Wright, Jackson (6), Assenmacher (7), Mesa (8)

 

apologies

alds and it wasnt a shutout just a simple mugging

 

....and he wasn't 18. And it was a game 5, not a game 7. And it was the ALDS, not the ALCS. And he gave up 3 runs in 5.1 innings. So yes, it DOES get bigger than that.

[Mr Crunchy]

thats why i posted the box score you copied and apologized before hand

he had 2 wins that series

he hasnt been the same since he drilled dlew

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

thats why i posted the box score you copied and apologized before hand

he had 2 wins that series

he hasnt been the same since he drilled dlew

 

reminds me of another young successful playoff pitcher who hasn't been the same since...

 

Regardless, Wright is not the answer in the playoffs. We need a serious big game pitcher, and not a guy who did it five years ago like Randy..

[Optimist]

Torre is going to be back next year. Boo

 

Hopefully this just means Steinbrenner is saving his full fury for A-Rod

[Mr Crunchy]

It was late August when Johnny Damon took a long, hard look around the clubhouse and was appalled at what he saw.

 

"Let's go [bleep-bleepers], wake up," Damon shouted. The center fielder had had enough of the Yankees' listlessness; it was so disturbingly different from the crazy energy he once shared with the Red Sox at Fenway. But instead of rallying the Yankees, Damon was met with silence.

 

That, and a cold stare across the room from Randy Johnson. Damon was so unnerved by the apathy, he later asked a team official, "Did I do something wrong?"

 

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMDMwNzImeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

 

i almost feel bad for johnny damon

[Optimist]

One sentence later:

 

Sadly, that incident serves as a microcosm of the 2006 Yankees, and is why George Steinbrenner will soon fire Joe Torre.

 

Yeah...

[riverside sluggers]

reminds me of another young successful playoff pitcher who hasn't been the same since...

 

Yes because one bad season means Beckett is going to be a hack compared to Jaret Wright

 

Continue living in your dream, Yankee fans

[Mr Crunchy]

becks still throws 97 and can go deep into games

jarret wright hasnt had a complete game since the clintons were in power and the yanks continue to use the same""jarret give us 5 innings"" mindset with phil hughes

[Jon_Papelboner]

Yes because one bad season means Beckett is going to be a hack compared to Jaret Wright

 

Continue living in your dream, Yankee fans

 

Josh Clement?

[a700hitter]

reminds me of another young successful playoff pitcher who hasn't been the same since...

JAret Wright 10 seasons 68 wins 5.07 ERA. Beckett 6 seasons 57 wins 3.82 ERA Beckett achieved career highs in wins over the last two years. How many times has Wright won 15 or more games?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

becks still throws 97 and can go deep into games

 

I think you mean people go deep on him in games.

 

700, give it time. If he were in the AL his first 6 years like Wright was, their numbers wouldn't be all that different. A few years with the sox should even that out.

[ORS]

Busting balls, or are you really that full of it? Sure, they share early postseason success, but the similarity stops there.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Busting balls' date=' or are you really that full of it? Sure, they share early postseason success, but the similarity stops there.[/quote']

 

For the most part just busting balls. But I do think that if Beckett were in the AL his first 6 years his numbers would be closer to Wright's (although probably still a little better).

[ORS]

Of course they'd be closer since the AL is the better offensive league. But, I don't think they'd be anywhere near what Wrights career numbers are. Beckett's periphs did about what you'd expect moving from the NL to the AL. About 10% more H's, 15-20% less K's, and 10% more BB's per 9 innings, which is right in line with the league differences. What killed him was a flukey high HR/9 rate. I'm not trying to absolve him of guilt there, but I'll be shocked if that rate keeps up given his other peripheral numbers.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Of course they'd be closer since the AL is the better offensive league. But' date=' I don't think they'd be anywhere near what Wrights career numbers are. Beckett's periphs did about what you'd expect moving from the NL to the AL. About 10% more H's, 15-20% less K's, and 10% more BB's per 9 innings, which is right in line with the league differences. What killed him was a flukey high HR/9 rate. I'm not trying to absolve him of guilt there, but I'll be shocked if that rate keeps up given his other peripheral numbers.[/quote']

 

Just for the hell of it, I calculated the ERA for Wright and Beckett for the first 6 years of their careers:

 

Wright - 5.49

Beckett - 3.85

 

I think it's safe to say that Beckett's ERA would probably be about a run worse if he were in the AL, maybe even worse. If it was just a run worse, it would be 4.85, which isn't much better than Wright's. That's all I'm sayin.

[riverside sluggers]

Right Beckett & Wright are the exact same type of pitcher. I'll just keep soaking in how Yankee fans triely believe Beckett's career will continue to look like this past season

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Only time will tell. All I know is that the Yankees certainly aren't going to worry when they see him on the mound next year..

[ORS]

Just for the hell of it, I calculated the ERA for Wright and Beckett for the first 6 years of their careers:

 

Wright - 5.49

Beckett - 3.85

 

I think it's safe to say that Beckett's ERA would probably be about a run worse if he were in the AL, maybe even worse. If it was just a run worse, it would be 4.85, which isn't much better than Wright's. That's all I'm sayin.

Where does this run arbitrarily come from? Everyone seems to think that a move to the AL is automatically +1 to the ERA. The NL ERA average over the last 6 years was about 4.30. His 3.85 is .45 runs better than league average. The AL average has been about 4.50 during that time. He's a low 4's ERA pitcher in the AL based on what he did in the NL. He didn't do that this year, obviously, but outside of a freakish HR rate, his periphs are right where you'd expect them to be for that type of pitcher.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Where does this run arbitrarily come from? Everyone seems to think that a move to the AL is automatically +1 to the ERA. The NL ERA average over the last 6 years was about 4.30. His 3.85 is .45 runs better than league average. The AL average has been about 4.50 during that time. He's a low 4's ERA pitcher in the AL based on what he did in the NL. He didn't do that this year' date=' obviously, but outside of a freakish HR rate, his periphs are right where you'd expect them to be for that type of pitcher.[/quote']

 

It comes from tons of case studies that have set a pretty consistent precedent. Lots of pitchers have made the transition and seen their ERA rise at least 1 run. It's probably closer to 1.5 runs in the AL East. Few pitchers have proven they are immune to this increase.

 

Just to name a few off the top of my head:

 

Matt Clement

Carl Pavano

Randy Johnson (although age obviously is a factor too)

Josh Beckett

 

It goes the other way too. Guys like Bronson Arroyo, Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens both had their ERA go down a run after going to the NL. Even David Wells pitched like a champ once he got to SD this year (4.98 in boston, 3.49 in SD).

 

There are tons more of examples, but I'm sure you've already heard all of this somewhere before.

[ORS]

Link? Show me an article with statistical analysis that shows the league adjustment is a full run. Off the top of my head I looked a few of the recent NL to AL transfers. Some were over a run (Loaiza - 1.20, Beckett - 1.50), most were less than a half a run (Schilling, Burnett, Vazquez), and a couple even lowered their ERA (Millwood, Haren).

 

That figure is public perception, and that's where you likely got it from.

[riverside sluggers]

Where does this run arbitrarily come from? Everyone seems to think that a move to the AL is automatically +1 to the ERA. The NL ERA average over the last 6 years was about 4.30. His 3.85 is .45 runs better than league average. The AL average has been about 4.50 during that time. He's a low 4's ERA pitcher in the AL based on what he did in the NL. He didn't do that this year' date=' obviously, but outside of a freakish HR rate, his periphs are right where you'd expect them to be for that type of pitcher.[/quote']

 

The first 6 years for Beckett includes his first season in Boston. 5 years in the NL, his ERA was at 3.46

[riverside sluggers]

Only time will tell. All I know is that the Yankees certainly aren't going to worry when they see him on the mound next year..

 

Yeah because he's such the Jaret Wright 5th starter for us

 

Its a toss up when he faces the Yankees in the future. 2 bad starts, 2 quality starts while notching a W