The Yankee Thread

[schillingouttheks]

Why can't we all just say that we'd be happy with either guy at bat in a clutch situation? I know I would...

 

Debating about who's better in a "clutch" situation will never cease, considering some people don't even believe "clutch" exists.

[riverside sluggers]

Jeter w/ RISP- .387/1.082

Jeter w/ RISP, 2 out- .381/1.106

 

Ortiz w/ RISP- .286/.964

Ortiz w/ RISP, 2 out- .277/.932

 

do those stats factor in walkoff hits & game tying or go-ahead RBIs (Ortiz leads again in that category)?

[Jon_Papelboner]

Let's remember, you're the first one that bitched about this whole thing in the first place.

 

So, using your own logic, why did you bother complaining?

 

I complained about a poorly timed comment which is justified. I don't find complaining about something done for years and years justified.

[schillingouttheks]

Poorly timed? The Yankees lost, and he used the call that you love so much to say that they lost. Big deal.

 

I think you have your panties in a bunch because the call that Yankee fans love is suddenly being twisted and mocked and used against them whenever they lose.

[Jon_Papelboner]

Poorly timed? The Yankees lost, and he used the call that you love so much to say that they lost. Big deal.

 

I think you have your panties in a bunch because the call that Yankee fans love is suddenly being twisted and mocked and used against them whenever they lose.

 

I'm talking about when he made the sly comment after we clinched which I consider poorly timed since well, we just clinched.

[ARod2212]

Why can't we all just say that we'd be happy with either guy at bat in a clutch situation? I know I would...

 

Debating about who's better in a "clutch" situation will never cease, considering some people don't even believe "clutch" exists.

Pff, what's the fun in arguing that?

 

 

I think there's way too much arguing over whether Yankee fans are allowed to have an opinion, or God forbid, celebrate the team's success. The Yankee thread is there for Yankee discussion. That includes the Yankees winning the division. Why would you get all upset about it? By being bitchy, is it going to change anything? From what I've seen the Yankee fans have not been going out of their way to be obnoxious about it.

 

It's a Sox message board. BFD. That doesn't mean is reasonable to start sensoring Yankee fans.

[ARod2212]

do those stats factor in walkoff hits & game tying or go-ahead RBIs (Ortiz leads again in that category)?

Who cares? The RISP numbers aren't even close. Jeter has been way more productive with RISP this year than Ortiz.

[Jon_Papelboner]

Pff, what's the fun in arguing that?

 

 

I think there's way too much arguing over whether Yankee fans are allowed to have an opinion, or God forbid, celebrate the team's success. The Yankee thread is there for Yankee discussion. That includes the Yankees winning the division. Why would you get all upset about it? By being bitchy, is it going to change anything? From what I've seen the Yankee fans have not been going out of their way to be obnoxious about it.

 

It's a Sox message board. BFD. That doesn't mean is reasonable to start sensoring Yankee fans.

 

Seriously, it's not like there's yankee talk all over the place. It's confined to one sub forum which nobody has forced you to enter. And even so, it's not like there's blatant sox bashing all over the place either.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Jeter w/ RISP- .387/1.082

Jeter w/ RISP, 2 out- .381/1.106

 

Ortiz w/ RISP- .286/.964

Ortiz w/ RISP, 2 out- .277/.932

 

a700hitter.justgotowned.com

[ORS]

I think there's way too much arguing over whether Yankee fans are allowed to have an opinion, or God forbid, celebrate the team's success. The Yankee thread is there for Yankee discussion. That includes the Yankees winning the division. Why would you get all upset about it? By being bitchy, is it going to change anything? From what I've seen the Yankee fans have not been going out of their way to be obnoxious about it.

 

It's a Sox message board. BFD. That doesn't mean is reasonable to start sensoring Yankee fans.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, nor am I saying you can't celebrate your victories here. I am saying that you can't expect to do those things here free from retort.

 

You don't understand? Everyone of the face of the planet knows that it's obnoxious for the victor to gloat over their accomplishment in the face of the foe. That's basic sportsmanship. If you guys are going to bust balls, it's going to come back, even if we have no leg to stand on.

[26 to 6]

Now' date=' you know how non-Yankees fans feel when John Sterling howls his trademark call after every Yankee victory, even the meaningless 16-1 victories over Tampa Bay.[/quote']

They don't have to listen. He's the Yankees radio announcer on the Yankees flagship station. Nobody forces you to listen to it.

 

And I'm not going to stop my signature post when the Yankees lose.

Nobody's telling you to stop it, I just find it ironic how you're here complaining about us being obnoxious when your "signature post" is as obnoxious as it gets.

 

And, we have done no harm to anyone. You guys, whether you are aware of it or not, are stirring the pot when you make cracks about the Sox and its fans and when you celebrate Yankee success here. It's a rivalry for a reason, you know? And, don't act like you are above being sensitive to the issue. You went on a tirade over the naming of the Yankee forum, and you obviously get bent out of shape when 700 celebrates a Yankee loss. And, this is important, this is when you are reading content on a Sox board. I can't imagine how upset you get when you are on Yankee board.

You're absolutely right, I am guilty of those things. But there's a double standard here. As for 700 celebrating YAnkee losses; if us celebrating our Division championship gets you guys bent out of shape, how about not celebrating and rubbing things in our faces. It's as if it's ok for you guys to do it, but not us.

 

Like i've said many times, the reason i'm even on this board is because there aren't any quality Yankee boards. So I dont get pset when i'm on a Yankee board, because I rarely visit them.

[a700hitter]

You're absolutely right' date=' I am guilty of those things. But there's a double standard here. As for 700 celebrating YAnkee losses; if us celebrating our Division championship gets you guys bent out of shape, how about not celebrating and rubbing things in our faces. It's as if it's ok for you guys to do it, but not us.[/quote']That's right it is not okay for Yankee fans. You are here at the pleasure of Red Sox fans for our amusement and objects of scorn and ridicule. You get some leeway in return, but if any of you get too obnoxious...:banned:

[a700hitter]

a700hitter.justgotowned.com

How is that? My argument was based on who pitchers fear more. Poll the pitchers and then get back to me. If Jeter was so feared, he wouldn't be your # 2 hitter.

[JeterWifey213]

a700hitter.justgotowned.com

 

Ok that was hilarious

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

700 your argument was actually:

 

Sorry' date=' he's not.[/quote']

 

That's why you got owned.

[a700hitter]

There probably isn't one pitcher that wouldn't rather face Jeter than Ortiz in a game-winning situation. That's the best measure of clutch that I could think of.

No, this was my argument. Read a few posts earlier.

[a700hitter]

do those stats factor in walkoff hits & game tying or go-ahead RBIs (Ortiz leads again in that category)?

 

Ortiz

 

Category           AB R  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   OBP SLG  AVG  TB
LATE INNING PRESS  70 16 24 4 0  9  22  15  .459 .786 .343 55 

 

Jeter

 

Category           AB R  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   OBP SLG  AVG  TB
LATE INNING PRESS  67 7  23 1 0  2  15  12  .463 .448 .343 30

 

Ortiz is right there with Jeter in Avg. and OBP, but he kills Jeter in the other categories. No pitcher fears anyone more than Ortiz with the game on the line.

[a700hitter]

I complained about a poorly timed comment which is justified. I don't find complaining about something done for years and years justified.

It was a perfectly timed comment. That's why you got pissed.

[ORS]

You're absolutely right, I am guilty of those things. But there's a double standard here. As for 700 celebrating YAnkee losses; if us celebrating our Division championship gets you guys bent out of shape, how about not celebrating and rubbing things in our faces. It's as if it's ok for you guys to do it, but not us.

Of course there's a double standard, and it's because it boils down to motive. Sox fans trashing the Yankees on a Sox site aren't going out of their way to piss people off, and if Yankee fans are here, reading it, and getting upset, then they have no one to blame other than themselves. If you are a conservative, listening to Air America is only going to piss you off, so don't blame them when you do listen and get mad. Yankee fans trashing the Sox on a Sox board is an example of people seeking out a specific audience with the intent of pissing them off. Motive matters, thus the double standard.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Ortiz

 

Category           AB R  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   OBP SLG  AVG  TB
LATE INNING PRESS  70 16 24 4 0  9  22  15  .459 .786 .343 55 

 

Jeter

 

Category           AB R  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   OBP SLG  AVG  TB
LATE INNING PRESS  67 7  23 1 0  2  15  12  .463 .448 .343 30

 

Ortiz is right there with Jeter in Avg. and OBP, but he kills Jeter in the other categories. No pitcher fears anyone more than Ortiz with the game on the line.

 

 

Those stats are just for late innings right? Nothing to do with the situation of the game?

[a700hitter]

Those stats are just for late innings right? Nothing to do with the situation of the game?

The category is "Late Inning Pressure" not just "Late Inning."

[a700hitter]

They don't have to listen. He's the Yankees radio announcer on the Yankees flagship station. Nobody forces you to listen to it.

As a Red Sox fan living in NY, what other radio station can I listen to in my car other than the Yankee Broadcast if I want to hear a Red Sox-Yankee game? You know fans of the other team listen to these broadcasts if they are in NY. I also listen to a number of Yankee games just because I am a fan and interested in the competition's game. Announcers are supposed to be somewhat objective, because they are the only voice of the game in a city or region, and not all the listeners are rooting for the home team. I don't listen to the game to hear Sterling's opinions. I listen to hear the game. That is very different than the reason why Yankee fans come to this site. You come here to read the opinions of Red Sox fans. It's much more acceptable for a fan on message boards for his/her team to be an obnoxious homer than for someone on the airwaves whose job it is to call the game and inform the listener. Can you grasp that?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Announcers are supposed to be somewhat objective' date=' because they are the only voice of the game in a city or region, and not all the listeners are rooting for the home team. I don't listen to the game to hear Sterling's opinions. I listen to hear the game. [/quote']

 

So, a guy who works for the NEW YORK YANKEES RADIO NETWORK should be objective?

 

That's like saying a writer for The Socialist should be objective.

[ARod2212]

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, nor am I saying you can't celebrate your victories here. I am saying that you can't expect to do those things here free from retort.

 

You don't understand? Everyone of the face of the planet knows that it's obnoxious for the victor to gloat over their accomplishment in the face of the foe. That's basic sportsmanship. If you guys are going to bust balls, it's going to come back, even if we have no leg to stand on.

As long as we're clear that it's pretty childish behavior, then it's cool by me. As long as it isn't made out to be one side is right and the other is wrong, then it's fine.

 

RISP and RISP 2 outs is a pretty fair assessment of "when it counts" and Jeter not only steps up his game in those situations, he goes above and beyond even what Ortiz does, who is no slouch in those spots.

[a700hitter]

So, a guy who works for the NEW YORK YANKEES RADIO NETWORK should be objective?

 

That's like saying a writer for The Socialist should be objective.

Home team announcers are never completely objective, but they should not be obnoxious homers either. A listener should be able to believe that the announcers are accurately giving the facts of what is going on in the game. With Sterling, sometimes the call is more fiction than fact, and screaching his signature call in a 16-1 win that has no implications in the standings is just obnoxious homerism. There was nothing at all exciting or suspenseful about the win.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Home team announcers are never completely objective' date=' but they should not be obnoxious homers either. A listener should be able to believe that the announcers are accurately giving the facts of what is going on in the game. With Sterling, sometimes the call is more fiction than fact, and screaching his signature call in a 16-1 win that has no implications in the standings is just obnoxious homerism. There was nothing at all exciting or suspenseful about the win.[/quote']

 

While he may get excited, its not fair to say that Sterling is sometimes not factual. It's not like he yells "Yankees win!" after they lost. You just don't like the tone of his voice when hes announcing the facts of the game, it's a little different.

[a700hitter]

While he may get excited' date=' its not fair to say that Sterling is sometimes not factual. It's not like he yells "Yankees win!" after they lost. You just don't like the tone of his voice when hes announcing the facts of the game, it's a little different.[/quote']No, frequently he leaves out important facts. It's hard to tell if it is the result of coscious or subconscious homerism or if it is just incompetence.

[ORS]

No' date=' frequently he leaves out important facts. It's hard to tell if it is the result of coscious or subconscious homerism or if it is just incompetence.[/quote']

I don't think it's either. I think the most important thing to him during the game is getting a chance to do his schtick, it's certainly not calling the game. That's ego, not homerism or incompetence.

 

Incidentally, anyone else find it funny that he says "Jorge (pronounced Georgie) Juiced One" in todays PED environment with 2 "former" users on the team? I think the fact that he still uses it helps prove my point. There's certainly innuendo in that call, but Johnny Boy won't change it because, well, that's his call, and he won't drop his schtick.

[CrespoBlows]

"HOW BOUT VILLONE NWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The Rivernator

 

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[Optimist]

I'd be shocked if he makes it to the playoff roster. I'd much rather take a Bruney or Rasner now.