Best CF Option?

[Plumpamania]

DaVannon is a better person to man CF right now than Stern, Harris or Murphy. Of course we'd love to see Jeremy Reed or CoCo Crisp, but they would both cost to much in terms of prospects for us.

[elsrbueno]

DaVannon is a better person to man CF right now than Stern, Harris or Murphy. Of course we'd love to see Jeremy Reed or CoCo Crisp, but they would both cost to much in terms of prospects for us.

 

He's got a point. Davanon had OBPs of .347 and .372 the last two years-- albeit in limited playing time, but he also stole 29 bases combined.

 

Is he Johnny Damon? No-- but if was in Boston he'd be a legitimate leadoff candidate.

 

Mark Loretta's OBPs (last two years): .360 and .390

[jsinger121]

i was always liked jeff davanon because he can play multiple outfield positions and has a solid bat. i would not be against bringing him in to play center that is if we can't get reed or crisp.

[Plumpamania]

I just can't think of a better option that doesn't involve dealing away Marte/Papelbon/Lester. That trio is not moving.

[Plumpamania]

How about Bronson Arroyo for Ryan Church? DC has basically sat Church down after he tore up everything in his debut til he got injured. I'd like to see Church possibly more than Reed.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/21/sox_hope_to_work_indians_to_a_crisp/

 

This Crisp trade talks are moving along. It has now advanced to a 6 player trade. No coincidence that once Theo was officially back, the engine would be on and reving up and not just sitting in the garage collecting dust.

 

Boston- Coco Crisp, 2 players/prospects (maybe along the lines of a 4th outfielder and relief pitcher)

 

Cleveland- Andy Marte, Guillermo Mota, prospect

[Cityofchampions33]

I'm excited to know what the other two playes are, the Guardians have A LOT of young talent. Think we can kill two birds with one stone and get Brandon Phillips outta this?

[MANNYHOF24]

Wow, I would love this trade. Coco Crisp has had 2 good seasons, and could easily fill both CF and the leadoff spot.

[riverside sluggers]

Coco Crisp would also be with the Sox guaranteed thru 2009 which is when free agency will hit for him, so it wouldnt just be a short term fix. He gives us back another switch hitter after the departure of Mueller, and also importantly the speed that was lost when Johnny switched sides.

 

Rotoworld is indicating the relief pitcher could most likely be David Riske. Hell yea to that, solid setup man and even more assurance than going with Mota into the 06 season. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6309/career;_ylt=AndKODE0dunebdOSnMRUrFeFCLcF

 

As for the other player, Sox should take a look at the Guardians' prospect outfielder Brad Snyder. He was just ranked in the top 100 outfield prospects of 2005

 

#28 Brad Snyder (22) -- Cleveland Guardians

Lake County (Low-A) 79 Games .280 10HR 54RBI

Kinston (High-A) 29 Games .355 6HR 21RBI

 

http://www.topprospectalert.com/top-100-outfielders.htm

 

stats are from 2004

[MANNYHOF24]

If this deal happens I will feel 100% better about this offseason. If it goes down I also think we should sign Alex Gonzo for 1-2 years. He is a great defensive SS. The lineup would look like this

 

Crisp

Lorreta

Ortiz

Manny

Varitek

Nixon

Lowell

Youk/Snow

Gonzales

 

that is an excellent lineup if you ask me

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Ugh. I really hope we don't trade Marte.

[riverside sluggers]

eh, id still gladly take this over Seattle asking for Lester or Papelbon in return for Reed.

[a700hitter]

Lots of you think that letting Damon go was a) smart financially, and a future-looking move. While I am not going to get into a discussion of Damon's FMV, I have been concerned that it would take top prospects to fill the CF hole, thus sacrificing the future somewhat and certainly not building or preserving the future. Let's hope they don't part with two prospects. If they do, letting Damon walk was a big mistake. They should have kept the overpaid but proven Boston star until the fram kids were ready. That's when they would have enjoyed the financial savings with a seemless transition in CF. Now, we have no one in CF, and worse yet, every team knows we have no one thus driving up their price. The Red Sox are a premier franchise with a ton of expensive ML talent, so they are not going into 2006 with Stern or Harris in CF. They've got a roster that can make the playoffs, so they will not throw away the opportunity by putting a non-entity in CF. However, it is going to cost them to fill the whole. It's going to cost part of the future.

[riverside sluggers]

Oh give it a rest. No one was talking about Damon or the loss of him in this thread. If they were to deal Marte and a mid level prospect, it deosnt affect the team of having a bright future. The 2nd prospect wont be along the lines of Papelbon or Hansen, but moreso of Edgar Martinez or Luis Soto according to WEEI.

 

The Sox will continue to scout well and will have 7 picks in the first 100 of this year's draft, so all is not lost whatsoever.

[ORS]

Lots of you think that letting Damon go was a) smart financially, and a future-looking move. While I am not going to get into a discussion of Damon's FMV, I have been concerned that it would take top prospects to fill the CF hole, thus sacrificing the future somewhat and certainly not building or preserving the future. Let's hope they don't part with two prospects. If they do, letting Damon walk was a big mistake. They should have kept the overpaid but proven Boston star until the fram kids were ready. That's when they would have enjoyed the financial savings with a seemless transition in CF. Now, we have no one in CF, and worse yet, every team knows we have no one thus driving up their price. The Red Sox are a premier franchise with a ton of expensive ML talent, so they are not going into 2006 with Stern or Harris in CF. They've got a roster that can make the playoffs, so they will not throw away the opportunity by putting a non-entity in CF. However, it is going to cost them to fill the whole. It's going to cost part of the future.

This argument holds no water in this case, just as it didn't in the Beckett trade. In both cases they are giving up youth for youth, so the future club is largely unaffected. I, personally, don't like this trade because I feel CF is a position of depth on the farm (it's just 1-2 years away) and corner IF power is lacking.

[riverside sluggers]

Maybe 1 or 2 of the young outfield prospects could transition to the corners. Trot Nixon in the minors was originally a center fielder but made the change to right field.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This argument holds no water in this case, just as it didn't in the Beckett trade. In both cases they are giving up youth for youth, so the future club is largely unaffected. I, personally, don't like this trade because I feel CF is a position of depth on the farm (it's just 1-2 years away) and corner IF power is lacking.

 

It may still be 1-2 years away. When Ellsbury is ready he can take CF and move into the leadoff spot for us. In which time Coco Crisp could move to the #2 hole in the lineup and retake his position in the OF since there is a good chance either Manny or Nixon will move on at some point.

[ORS]

Sorry, I meant CIF power, not COF, which is why I editted the post. But, yeah, Murphy and Moss look like their are starting to develop some power and could fill a COF role.

 

EDIT: The more I think about this possible trade, the closer I get to coming around and actually liking it. Crisp is a young (26) MLB proven talent. The Sox would control him for 4 years. During that time, a CF prospect will become ready, Manny and Trot will finish their time in Boston (either earlier via trade, or their contracts will terminate), so Crisp will be useful to the club at several OF positions. The farm does lack CIF power, but it is deep in other areas and trades could be made, or hopefully, Andrew Pinckney follows up his breakout year in Greenville with another strong season in Portland.

[jsinger121]

I would rather not give up marte as finding corner infielder with 40 homer potential are harder to find than centerfielders. all the red sox need is a stop to hold the fort for a season or two until jacoby ellsbury is ready.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I would rather not give up marte as finding corner infielder with 40 homer potential are harder to find than centerfielders. all the red sox need is a stop to hold the fort for a season or two until jacoby ellsbury is ready.

 

I might have to disagree on the corner infielders not having 40 HR potential.

 

Teixiera, Lee, Pujols, Sexson, Konerko, Helton, Delgado, Berkman, Giambi, A-Rod, Beltre, Glaus, Chavez, Chipper, etc etc etc......corner infielders tend to have power...what is rare are middle position players who have power but thats not what you want anyways. If I was to build a baseball team I want my best defenders at SS, 2B, and CF. I want my power hitters at the corners and that tends to be the case in MLB. The more athletic players play the middle positions.

 

As much as I like Andy Marte we can find another player like that in coming years. Unfortunatly it may come through future free agency. I don't agree or disagree with this move until I see all the players involved.

[jsinger121]

teams tend to lock players like andy marte up before they reach free agency if they develop as they should or there is a massive bidding war for him. i would rather have a 40 homer potential guy as part of my future than trade him for coco crisp who is a fine player but nothing worth trading a blue chip top 10 prospect in baseball for. unless we are getting adam miller in a deal with crisp then I wouldn't do it.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

teams tend to lock players like andy marte up before they reach free agency if they develop as they should or there is a massive bidding war for him. i would rather have a 40 homer potential guy as part of my future than trade him for coco crisp who is a fine player but nothing worth trading a blue chip top 10 prospect in baseball for. unless we are getting adam miller in a deal with crisp then I wouldn't do it.

 

Yes that is true. We don't know what we are getting. Because of that I can't judge the trade since we don't know what kind of players are coming in return. Some players are locked up but in the case of Giambi, Delgado, Sexson, Beltre......they aren't always locked up. Luckily when it comes to bidding wars the Red Sox can be major players if they wanted to.

[a700hitter]

This argument holds no water in this case, just as it didn't in the Beckett trade. In both cases they are giving up youth for youth, so the future club is largely unaffected. I, personally, don't like this trade because I feel CF is a position of depth on the farm (it's just 1-2 years away) and corner IF power is lacking.

So, you agree with me. They would be sacrificing the future, i.e., Marte, for Crisp , who is young, but he would be a stop gap until the farm yields a crop for CF.

[ORS]

So, you agree with me. They would be sacrificing the future, i.e., Marte, for Crisp , who is young, but he would be a stop gap until the farm crop produces a yield for CF.

No, I don't think this would hurt the future, nor do I think he useful only as a stopgap. Crisp could be moved to a COF spot when a young CF is ready, preferably LF when Manny is gone since his arm isn't what one would want in RF, which is where he played to make room for Sizemore. His bat is a little weak for what you'd want from a COF, but his defense there is quite good. But, then they'd have to find a CIF with power.

[jsinger121]

CIF with power a much more difficult position to find than centerfielder's like crisp.

[a700hitter]

No, I don't think this would hurt the future, nor do I think he useful only as a stopgap. Crisp could be moved to a COF spot when a young CF is ready, preferably LF when Manny is gone since his arm isn't what one would want in RF, which is where he played to make room for Sizemore. His bat is a little weak for what you'd want from a COF, but his defense there is quite good. But, then they'd have to find a CIF with power.

By your own words, Crisp is a stop gap for CF, and you would be sacrificing Marte's potential as an offensive force for a weak hitting corne OF. Is it so important for you to disagree with me that you will even disagree with yourself. lol!

[ORS]

CIF with power a much more difficult position to find than centerfielder's like crisp.

True, but CIFs with power that have proved nothing yet aren't. Marte could be very good, but he isn't yet, and Crisp is a young proven commodity that plays a position of need. If he were some 30 y/o stopgap, like Lugo would be for SS, then I'd have reservations, but that description doesn't apply to Crisp.

[jsinger121]

crisp is a nice player but for the mere fact we would be trading a potential 40 homer corner infielder along with mota and i think someone else I would expect to get Adam Miller back in this deal or I wouldn't even talk to the Guardians anymore

[a700hitter]

crisp is a nice player but for the mere fact we would be trading a potential 40 homer corner infielder along with mota and i think someone else I would expect to get Adam Miller back in this deal or I wouldn't even talk to the Guardians anymore

...and who would be your CF option?

[ORS]

By your own words, Crisp is a stop gap for CF, and you would be sacrificing Marte's potential as an offensive force for a weak hitting corne OF. Is it so important for you to disagree with me that you will even disagree with yourself. lol!

Where do I disagree with myself? Just because he would be moved to a COF spot in order to clear room for a prospect doesn't mean he's a stopgap. Stopgaps are acquired to be on the team only for the time it takes to find their replacement. Crisp would still be vaulable to the team at another position, so he's not a stopgap. It's good thing that you laugh at your own jokes there, funny guy, because no one else does.