2006 Pitching Rotation

[yankeessuck013]

Schilling - will never quit and go out into the sunset after a season like this. He will be trying like mad to get into shape and at least have one more good season. He's staying for the full amount.

 

AJ Burnett - beloved by John Henry, and I think we'll find a way to get him here. Even though his ERA and K totals aren't eyepopping, he's got a good WHIP and low OBA so since he doesn't give up a lot of hits to begin with the AL transition should be a little smoother. He's the classic case of a guy needing a change of scenery AND a manager like Tito Francona (who I believe will be re-signed)

 

Jon Papelbon- earned a spot in the rotation. The only changes he needs to make are small refinements that can be done during the offseason, AAA or the bullpen would be absolute wastes of his time, and our resources. I think we can count on him for 15 wins and a 3.00 ish ERA.

 

Tim Wakefield -deserved better this season, that last start on 3 days rest ruined an ERA that should have been below 4 for the first time since 2002. In any case Wakefield is a very consistent pitcher (year in an year out) who can beat the good teams as well as the bad. Excellent 4th starter.

 

Matt Clement- just as Wakefield is a great 4th starter, Clement is a great 5th starter. The type of guy that COULD be great, or could be average... Just the X-Factor you need as a 5th starter. He'd also be pitching agains the #5 from other teams and rack up quite a few wins. I think he'll be back to post a

 

BULLPEN- Obviously a big problem with the Red Sox this season... right?

 

I'm not so sure... bear with me.

 

Guys like Mantei, Halama, Gonzalez, etc. brought the bullpen down. But look at who we have on hand.

 

Timlin, Bradford, Myers, hansen, DiNardo, Delcarmen... look into farnsworth and todd jones also, and another lefty

 

So say Chad Bradford for around 2 million, Mantei for another incentive based deal, and Myers for about 500K-1M...

[User Name]

How is Papelbon when staying in longer? We didn't really see him staying in for more than 3 innings that much.

[yankeessuck013]

one more thing, on BJ Ryan, he's already expressly stated that he wants to play for a winner, so he knows he would not be used as a closer.

 

He said he wants to play for Boston or New York, so obviously he has no problems setting up.

[Boogie]

one more thing, on BJ Ryan, he's already expressly stated that he wants to play for a winner, so he knows he would not be used as a closer.

 

He said he wants to play for Boston or New York, so obviously he has no problems setting up.

Yea, a Red Sox/Yankee bidding war.

[riverside sluggers]

Yea, a Red Sox/Yankee bidding war.

 

thats a tradition each offseason

 

Red Sox get the better deal last year, when they were outbid by yankees for pavano

[example1]

Get Ryan. Also try to get Burnett, but I doubt we'll be able to land him.

 

Schilling

Burnett

Wakefield

Clement

Papelbon

 

What happens to Wells? Arroyo? Miller?

 

I think Miller could be pretty good if he has surgery and recovers fully. I'm not totally willing to give up on him yet, especially at only 1.5 million or so.

[Soxfan1]

Ryan would be fantastic. He is a great closer and his hair is wild. I see paplebon as a long relief man and wells will be back.

[yankeessuck013]

I'd rather have wagner over ryan, but they will both cost a butt-load of $$$

[example1]

Yeah, Wagner is clearly the better pitcher (that .84 WHIP is impressive, as is the 87 K in 77 IP) but at 9.0 million that's a LOT of money to pay. He is a proven successful closer though, so it might be worth it... could they get him for like 3 years, 26 million or so?

[Mannys Tokin Buddy]

Yeah, Wagner is clearly the better pitcher (that .84 WHIP is impressive, as is the 87 K in 77 IP) but at 9.0 million that's a LOT of money to pay. He is a proven successful closer though, so it might be worth it... could they get him for like 3 years, 26 million or so?

 

I disagree that Wagner is the better pitcher. First off, he will be 35 in the middle of next season. Plus he has a history of injuries. I don't want to sign someone to be a closer that may not be healthy. Plus, over the past five years, Ryan has better peripheral numbers...11.17 k per 9 IP vs 10.71 k per 9 IP & 0.62 HR per 9 IP vs 0.79 HR per 9 IP. Plus he will be 30 at the end of the year.

 

Both pitchers are going to be expensive, but if I had to chose one....I want Ryan over Wagner in a heartbeat.

[yankeessuck013]

I disagree that Wagner is the better pitcher. First off, he will be 35 in the middle of next season. Plus he has a history of injuries. I don't want to sign someone to be a closer that may not be healthy. Plus, over the past five years, Ryan has better peripheral numbers...11.17 k per 9 IP vs 10.71 k per 9 IP & 0.62 HR per 9 IP vs 0.79 HR per 9 IP. Plus he will be 30 at the end of the year.

 

Both pitchers are going to be expensive, but if I had to chose one....I want Ryan over Wagner in a heartbeat.

 

:what:

[schillingouttheks]

Hahaha, I think you just made yankeessuck a bit dumber.

[Mannys Tokin Buddy]

How is Papelbon when staying in longer? We didn't really see him staying in for more than 3 innings that much.

 

Papelbon pitched between 5 and 6 innings in each of his three starts in the middle of the season (July and August) The thing that was noticable in those starts were the walks. He had 10 walks in 15.2 IP. Most likely, this was due to nerves from pitching in the bigs for the first few times. Once he got to September, he only had 4 walks in 14.2 IP.

 

IMO, I think he will start the year as the long man, pretty much regardless of what happens this offseason. He will be a starter by May or June though

[yankeessuck013]

lol....my head does feel a bit lighter

[schillingouttheks]

Haha, the expression you used with that smiley, if that's what you were intending to look like, was right on the money. LOL! Yeah, I was scratching my head after I read his post too.

[Mannys Tokin Buddy]

Hahaha, I think you just made yankeessuck a bit dumber.

 

Sorry about that guys....I definitely think my post was confusing. Basically, my point is that for the last five years, BJ Ryan has had better peripheral numbers than Wagner, plus he is 5 years younger....sorry bout the confusion

[schillingouttheks]

Lol, the confusion was a good thing. Looks like we got someone here who knows how to use their numbers!! I like it!

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

Sorry about that guys....I definitely think my post was confusing. Basically' date=' my point is that for the last five years, BJ Ryan has had better peripheral numbers than Wagner, plus he is 5 years younger....sorry bout the confusion [/quote']

I agree that BJ is younger with better peripherals etc, but I can't deny that I want to see Wagner's MPH heat at the end of the game.

[Mannys Tokin Buddy]

Three other guys I wouldnt mind seeing on our pitching staff next year....

 

1. Scott Eyre -- this guy is lights out against lefties. Unlike Myers, he has the ability to use the strikeout to get lefties out. He has a 6.84 k per 9 IP for his career. His downside is that he walks a few, only 1.49 k per bb for his career. He held lefties to a .182 ba this past season....which would look great in a Sox uniform for the Matsui's, Crawford's, etc. that give us trouble.

 

2. Kyle Farnsworth -- Now this guy has an arm. He has a 9.08 k per 9 IP for his career, but the past three years, it is 10.86 k per 9 IP. He also has a better than 2:1 k:bb rate for his career. He held batters to a .181 BA with runners on (way better than Timlin) Righties only hit .165 off of him and lefties hit .197. This guy might be expensive, but he is 29, coming into his prime and would be look amazing with Hansen, Foulke and whoever else is in the pen.

 

3. Octavio Dotel (on a heavily loaded 2 year contract with incentives) -- He is injured. But before he got hurt, he threw gas. One of the things that I look for in bullpen pitching is guys that strike people out. Unlike someone like Timlin, who struggled everytime they came in with runners on base, this guy, and the two above, can actually get outs without the ball being put in play.

 

I think these three guys are under the radar a little bit, maybe not as much with farnsworth. But they could all be great additions to our pen for 06 and beyond.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

One thing thats tough is knowing all of our pitching staff is returning. We also needs to come to grips that the pitching staff is not good enough. Some of these guys need to move to different roles. I think Wakefield and Arroyo need to go to the bullpen as much as I like them. Most of the answers are on our team but I think we should sign a strong lefty.

 

Keith Foulke

BJ Ryan (my choice over Wagner)

Craig Hansen

Manny Delcarmen

Lenny DiNardo

Tim Wakefield

Bronson Arroyo (might be traded)

 

If this team is going to trade Manny Ramirez then we need to seriously upgrade our rotation:

 

Curt Schilling

AJ Burnett

Jonathan Papelbon

David Wells

Matt Clement

 

....Wade Miller can play a part somewhere in the mix cause like last year you can assume there will be injuries and Matt Clement can possibly be used less so not to tire. Wells will prolly get hurt and Schilling/Burnett are risks...you can never have enough pitching. So basically I'm saying sign Burnett and Ryan.

 

Now here is a twist. It is possible to move Manny Ramirez and someone like Bronson Arroyo to a team for a top pitcher. I hear rumors that the Blue Jays could be interested. I have no idea where they would get the money but if they were interested (and I hear they want Burnett too) perhaps they would be interested in moving Halladay (they might be tired of his injuries). If healthy I would do anything for a pitcher like Roy Halladay.

[RedSoxRooter]

The Sox will not trade Manny to any team in the AL East.

[ksushi]

Why has only one person really mentioned hansen?

 

My pitching rotation

 

Schilling - Going to have a better season, what people forget is that he was basically having his spring training in august, and that accounted for a lot of his bad starts. He never got a chance to get into a groove but when we asked him to dig deep and come up with a good start, he did. He'll be good. And he won't be thrown in the bullpen at all next year, which i'm sure can mess with a guy whose trying to come back from an injury like that and be a starter. He's fine.

 

Burnett - I think theo needs to come up with a big signing and remember when we were going to try and trade for him at the deadline? John Henry said we wouldn't need a window to resign him because he was willing to expand his payroll to pay him whatever he wanted. I think we will land him.

 

Miller - Wade had surgery a couple weeks ago, i haven't heard how it went, but when matt morris had the same problem and elected to go without surgery, he had a bad 2004, after surgery he had a very nice 2005 and miller has better stuff then him to begin with. Miller has the potential to be scary.

 

Papelbon - In 3 starts this season he really impressed me, and he got a lot of expierence this year in the post season, this kid is special, and he will be special for a long time to come.

 

Clement - I think that this spot is a toss up between clement and wake, but I think when it comes down to it, clement will get the nod. Wake is willing to go to the bullpen anyways, and he would be a great long relief/middle relief guy. I don't think its that clement is better, I think its that wake would be more valubale in the bullpen then clement and clement still has some upside as a starter, hes a good pitcher.

 

Pen -

 

Delcarmen

Dinardo

Hansen

BJ Ryan - I'd take ryan over wagner anyday, wagner would be more $$ and would want to close, I think hansen will close next year and i think he should close, theres no reason to pay someone else big bucks to close for the next couple of years when you have a guy like hansen. Ryan understand he could be a bridge, and he'd be great for it.

Arroyo if he isn't traded

Wake

Mantei - He throws gas, and our bullpen would have been formittable if he stayed healthy.

 

I think Jon Lester will be next years papelbon, I think that about midway through the year or earlier he will be put in the pen or given some spot starts. I think he will impress and stay in the ML.

 

I don't think that the sox will trade manny, I think they want to, but I don't think they can. He's just too expensive and you will never get enough in return. Why break up the best 3-4 combo in the game if you can't match that production? It all comes down to production, you want to free up the money, to use that money to get more production, I don't think thats possible, not this year. They'll wait out the contract.

 

I think arroyo will be traded, I think he'll be traded to tampa for huff. I think Arroyo and Shoppach could land us huff this offseason.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wells

Clement.

 

Bullpen:

 

Myers

Bradford

Timlin

Delcarmen

Foulke

Hansen

 

 

 

That seems pretty cheap and formidable to me. If all those guys perform at there best, that would be SICK.

[riverside sluggers]

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wells

Clement.

 

Bullpen:

 

Myers

Bradford

Timlin

Delcarmen

Foulke

Hansen

 

 

 

That seems pretty cheap and formidable to me. If all those guys perform at there best, that would be SICK.

 

true... but you're missing our ace of 2005, Wakefield

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Oh yeah, how could i forget him? lol. Put him in 5th, trade clement for something.

[jimmycarter05]

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wells

Clement.

 

Bullpen:

 

Myers

Bradford

Timlin

Delcarmen

Foulke

Hansen

 

 

 

That seems pretty cheap and formidable to me. If all those guys perform at there best, that would be SICK.

 

 

 

thats a BIG if too....where's arroyo? :thumbdown

[Boogie]

You do realize that B.J. Ryan will be heavily pursued by the Yankees and it is a well known fact that Steinbrenner and Cashman have coveted him for years, so I doubt they will spare any expense.

[MANNYHOF24]

Heres my rotation

 

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wake

Washburn

 

Bullpen

Myers

Bradford

Delcarmen

Hansen

Wagner

Foulke

This is if Wells retires and Arroyo is traded

[jimmycarter05]

Heres my rotation

 

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wake

Washburn

 

Bullpen

Myers

Bradford

Delcarmen

Hansen

Wagner

Foulke

This is if Wells retires and Arroyo is traded

 

i like matt morris better than burnett

[BoSox21]

Rotation:

Schilling

Burnett

Papelbon

Wakefield

Clement

 

Bullpen:

Myers

Bradford

Mantei

Hansen

Delcarmen

Foulke

Ryan/Wagner

DiNardo

 

on paper, doesn't look too shabby at all.