Ortiz a Shoo-In for MVP

[CrespoBlows]

A-Rod wins it IF they make the playoffs. It's quite simply really on why he does.

 

1. Manny and Ortiz split the vote. Manny gets 30-50% of the votes Ortiz would have got, had the two not of played together.

 

2. Statsically, A-Rod is better, and if his team makes the playoffs, shouldn't he win it? I mean, he did win it over Manny Ramirez in '03 when he was with the Rangers.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Don't give me that bull about he doesn't play D!!!!! The MVP is about helping your team win. And nobody helps his team more than Big Papi. Where would the Yanks be without Arod? Probably where they are now! Where would the Sox be? 4th without Ortiz . The guy's so good in the clutch, he should have his own award!!!!!!!!!

 

We'll call it the "Mr. LIH Award"

Late Inning Heroics

The bottomline is if Ortiz played 1B on an everyday basis he would get his nickes and he would also tire. As a result the bat may not be as quick and that affects the hitting. DH is a major advantage. Put A-Rod at DH everyday and he might hit 50 HR's.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

A classic example is Sheffield. If Sheffield played DH all year last year maybe he wouldnt have hurt his shoulder as bad as he did and maybe he puts up better numbers and in turn wins the MVP. If Sheffield played full time DH this year he wouldnt have a knee problem and he wouldnt be out currently.

[CrespoBlows]

Please, anyone who says defense isn't big, never watched the 2004 Red Sox. What did Orlando Caberra, Doug Mientcawitz, and Dave Roberts have that Nomar didn't? They all could play good defense.

 

If you take away A-Rod from the Yankees and give them back Soriano, their probably 10 to 15 games worse than what they are right now. A-Rod is a better hitter, plain and simple. If you took away Ortiz it's probably not as bad. Maybe 10-12 games, that's because the Red Sox offense is amply better than the Yankees offense.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Please, anyone who says defense isn't big, never watched the 2004 Red Sox. What did Orlando Caberra, Doug Mientcawitz, and Dave Roberts have that Nomar didn't? They all could play good defense.

 

If you take away A-Rod from the Yankees and give them back Soriano, their probably 10 to 15 games worse than what they are right now. A-Rod is a better hitter, plain and simple. If you took away Ortiz it's probably not as bad. Maybe 10-12 games, that's because the Red Sox offense is amply better than the Yankees offense.

I agree 100%

[ARod2212]

Why do Yankee fans continually make the erroneous claim that Ortiz CAN'T play 1B? He can play the field just fine, and has. Francona has to put a DH in the lineup every game and Ortiz is very productive as a DH. It's a no-brainer. Some players need to play D to get "into the game" ...i'm sure if that were the case, he'd be out there and Millar would be DH.

 

If being MVP were important to Ortiz, he might actually demand to play defense so voters couldn't use this against him. Of course, Papi is perfectly happy to do what is best for the team, and he takes great pride in doing as much as he can with his bat for that reason. THAT is what the MVP is supposed to be about. Ortiz is so much more the MVP than Arod it's laughable. Arod is all about Arod and it has always been so. He doesn't elevate anyone or anything...the fact that his teams never wins make that fairly obvious.

This is what we call a conclusion without any real facts behind it.

 

It doesn't matter if he can or can't play first base, the fact is he doesn't. If he can cure cancer, but doesn't exactly how many people does that save? He does not play defense, and has produced ZERO DEFENSIVE VALUE.

 

Clone David Ortiz 8 times, and throw him in the field and what do you get? Clone Rodriguez 8 times and throw him in the field and what do you get? I will take the Rodriguez team 10 times out of 10.

 

You make this crap up about Ortiz being 'happy to switch for the team'. Your damn right he's happy to switch, because he sucks in the field. I'm sure Rodriguez would be happy to switch too, if they didn't need him because he's a Gold Glover.

 

 

Unless of course, the MVP needs to start considering Ortiz' INTANGIBLES! Oh wait, but in the case of Derek Jeter they are useless and make him overrated.

[riverside sluggers]

i want you to go back in data for the times for the red sox david ortiz has made errors while playing 1st base, world series and regular season games at national league parks combined. dont think theres been that much errors. do you even know of him picking off a cardinal player who was leaning off of 3rd base in the world series? plus playing 1st this season in june he was picking clean double plays, but since he's their best bat, he's the DH. back up your "Facts" with actual data that says he sucks on the field

[yankeessuck013]

 

Clone David Ortiz 8 times, and throw him in the field and what do you get? Clone Rodriguez 8 times and throw him in the field and what do you get? I will take the Rodriguez team 10 times out of 10.

 

even in a 2-2 tie in the 11th inning in game 7 of the ALCS???? I highly doubt that.

[ARod2212]

i want you to go back in data for the times for the red sox david ortiz has made errors while playing 1st base, world series and regular season games at national league parks combined. dont think theres been that much errors. do you even know of him picking off a cardinal player who was leaning off of 3rd base in the world series? plus playing 1st this season in june he was picking clean double plays, but since he's their best bat, he's the DH. back up your "Facts" with actual data that says he sucks on the field

You find the facts to make your own argument, I'm not doing your work. I'll leave you with this simple question. If he is a good defender, why isn't he out there?

[ARod2212]

even in a 2-2 tie in the 11th inning in game 7 of the ALCS???? I highly doubt that.

Umm, It won't get to that point because the Rodriguez' would sweep the Ortiz team rather easily. Unless you are that convinced that say 45/100 defensive ability and 95/100 offensive ability will beat 90/100 defensive ability and 90/100 offensive ability. (and that is being generous, since Rodriguez leads the AL in OPS and Ortiz doesn't)

[CrespoBlows]

even in a 2-2 tie in the 11th inning in game 7 of the ALCS???? I highly doubt that.

 

David Ortiz is a clutch hitter, no doubt about it. But, right now A-Rod leads him in average, and HR's, he's statsically better, and that's half of what people vote on. If the Yankees don't make the playoffs, then A-Rod doesn't win MVP. It's that simple.

 

Playoff Berth- MVP

 

No Playoff Berth- No MVP

[yankeessuck013]

Umm, It won't get to that point because the Rodriguez' would sweep the Ortiz team rather easily. Unless you are that convinced that say 45/100 defensive ability and 95/100 offensive ability will beat 90/100 defensive ability and 90/100 offensive ability. (and that is being generous, since Rodriguez leads the AL in OPS and Ortiz doesn't)

 

you really have no idea what you are talking about, stop talking out of your ass which you tend to do a lot. Rodriguez would sweep ortiz, huh? Just like last year...?

[ARod2212]

you really have no idea what you are talking about, stop talking out of your ass which you tend to do a lot. Rodriguez would sweep ortiz, huh? Just like last year...?

FUNNY I THOUGHT THERE WERE 24 OTHER GUYS ON EACH TEAM THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE END RESULT.

 

You dumb f***.

[CrespoBlows]

you really have no idea what you are talking about, stop talking out of your ass which you tend to do a lot. Rodriguez would sweep ortiz, huh? Just like last year...?

 

You're making yourself look like a dumbass.

 

He said if an all A-Rod team was played an all Ortiz team, then the all A-Rod team would win. He's saying that defense is a major part of the game, and he's correct.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

you really have no idea what you are talking about, stop talking out of your ass which you tend to do a lot. Rodriguez would sweep ortiz, huh? Just like last year...?

i didnt know an all Rodriguez team played an all Ortiz team last year. I must have missed that series.

[yankeessuck013]

the point is rodriguez showed up for game 1-3 and 4-7 was no where to be found, except crying in the dugout after game 7.

 

It just seems silly to hold it against him that the team has other good hitters on it. Vlad is a good candidate...way up there with Papi, and A-rod. I just think that Papi's "clutchness' stands above the rest. And his numbers are pretty darn good also. If anything...the whole DH argument is weak IMO. But that is the position he plays...

[BronxBomber61]

If anything...the whole DH argument is weak IMO. But that is the position he plays...

 

It’s silly to think that a player being a DH doesn’t factor in to MPV voting. Since some adjustments made early in the season A-Rod’s defense has been gold glove caliber. I can think of several plays that saved games for the Yankees, one was a throw over the base runner to cut him down at the plate against you guys in the ninth inning. He also can do so much more on the base paths then Ortiz.

 

David Ortiz is a great player and not getting him was one of Cashman’s biggest mistakes but A-Rod has done so much more as a complete player this year. If both players continue on the same pace A-Rod should win hands down.

[riverside sluggers]

with Papi's homerun last night he is now tied with A-Rod for the lead in Homeruns in the American League. Papi is set for 50 +/- HRs by seasons end, and now has 127 RBIs which should end out the season with 140 +/- RBIs

[ARod2212]

with Papi's homerun last night he is now tied with A-Rod for the lead in Homeruns in the American League. Papi is set for 50 +/- HRs by seasons end, and now has 127 RBIs which should end out the season with 140 +/- RBIs

I would definitely bet on Ortiz leading the league in homers. However, that still won't make him the MVP.

[yankeessuck013]

I would definitely bet on Ortiz leading the league in homers. However, that still won't make him the MVP.

 

of course not...never....not to a yankee fan

[ARod2212]

of course not...never....not to a yankee fan

I suppose we should award the MVP to the homer run leader every year!

 

Hell, it would get rid of all the pesky voters too!

[HOFer51]

I suppose we should award the MVP to the homer run leader every year!

 

Hell, it would get rid of all the pesky voters too!

Yeah, the only player with a chance for a batting title and an OPS over 1.000 in the AL doesnt have a chance at MVP

[See Red]

Would anyone arguing for A-Rod care to take a look at his stats with runners in scoring position? Particularly with 2 outs?

[Optimist]

Would anyone arguing for A-Rod care to take a look at his stats with runners in scoring position? Particularly with 2 outs?

 

Would anyone arguing for Ortiz care to take a look at how he's done in his last 11 games this season playing in the field? Oh...wait...

 

MVP stands for 'Most Valubale Player'...not 'Most Perfect Player.'

[Sox Fan on Cape]

There's an astute comment ! Obviously, he's a DH extroidenaire. What is your point ?

[See Red]

Would anyone arguing for Ortiz care to take a look at how he's done in his last 11 games this season playing in the field? Oh...wait...

 

MVP stands for 'Most Valubale Player'...not 'Most Perfect Player.'

 

Give me a player who takes his break while his teams in the field over a man that takes a break when he needs to get a big hit or there's runners in scoring position anyday.

[Optimist]

Give me a player who takes his break while his teams in the field over a man that takes a break when he needs to get a big hit or there's runners in scoring position anyday.

 

At some points, indeed alot of points, defense is more important than offense. You can score all you want, but it's not going to help if runs are being given up in the field. A Rod may not be 100% 'clutch' at the plate, but he is 'clutch' in the field...on more than one occasion saving the game with a gold glove play.

[26 to 6]

It’s silly to think that a player being a DH doesn’t factor in to MPV voting. Since some adjustments made early in the season A-Rod’s defense has been gold glove caliber. I can think of several plays that saved games for the Yankees, one was a throw over the base runner to cut him down at the plate against you guys in the ninth inning. He also can do so much more on the base paths then Ortiz.

 

David Ortiz is a great player and not getting him was one of Cashman’s biggest mistakes but A-Rod has done so much more as a complete player this year. If both players continue on the same pace A-Rod should win hands down.

you cant blame Cashman, we had 2 first basemen/DH's at the time. What did you want him to do??

 

of course not...never....not to a yankee fan

And A-Rod being MVP?? Of coarse not, never, not to a Boston fan

[Sox Fan on Cape]

A-Rod, let me see how many teams has he led to WS championships.... Zero.

[Optimist]

A-Rod, let me see how many teams has he led to WS championships.... Zero.

 

...that has what to do with the 2005 MVP race?