Giambi's Mysterious Power Surge

[ARod2212]

Until somebody proves it, shut the f*** up. It is stupid to blindly speculate.

[bobby jr]

I see that Giambi hit the game winning HR in a 1-0 Yankees victory today. It really makes me sick to think that he is quite possibly back on steroids or HGH and is getting away with it again! I really wish that the commissioner had the power to order individual players in for testing.

[bobby jr]

Until somebody proves it, shut the f*** up. It is stupid to blindly speculate.

 

Right just shut up about it. Forget about it. Just look the other way like everyone did two years ago when Giambi hit two HRs in game 7 of the ALCS, which later turned out to be steorid induced.

[riverside sluggers]

Until somebody proves it, shut the f*** up. It is stupid to blindly speculate.

 

until this becomes a forum for other teams, you shut the f*** up because we have the right to say whatever we want to, what we think and feel about issues. I mean cmon even one of the greatest relievers in MLB history has called in question Giambi, so its not just us here...

[ARod2212]

until this becomes a forum for other teams, you shut the f*** up because we have the right to say whatever we want to, what we think and feel about issues. I mean cmon even one of the greatest relievers in MLB history has called in question Giambi, so its not just us here...

Yeah, its called talking out of your ass. Lots of people do it, but it doesn't make you any less stupid.

[See Red]

Yeah, its called talking out of your ass. Lots of people do it, but it doesn't make you any less stupid.

 

Yes. A lot of people do do it. In fact, you've made quite a habit of it.

 

You don't like what we talk about? That's fine. We're not forcing you to read these threads or visit these boards.

 

Once a cheater, always a cheater -- and it will be brought into question when a guy actually gets bigger during the MLB season, which is widely thought to be impossible by past players who I think would know what they're talking about. This guy was on the verge of being sent down to the Minor Leagues and within a short period of time, is now looking like an MVP -- if you don't think it's likely that he's back on steroids, then that's a strong case of denial you've got there

[ARod2212]

Yes. A lot of people do do it. In fact, you've made quite a habit of it.

 

You don't like what we talk about? That's fine. We're not forcing you to read these threads or visit these boards.

 

Once a cheater, always a cheater -- and it will be brought into question when a guy actually gets bigger during the MLB season, which is widely thought to be impossible by past players who I think would know what they're talking about. This guy was on the verge of being sent down to the Minor Leagues and within a short period of time, is now looking like an MVP -- if you don't think it's likely that he's back on steroids, then that's a strong case of denial you've got there

P R O V E I T.

 

I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Until you have proof, you sound stupid. And don't tell me about talking out of my ass. It's amazing, I use these things called stats in my arguments and keep everything pretty reasonable. If you don't like the fact I'm calling you stupid for talking out of your ass then stop doing it. Or just ignore it.

[bobby jr]

I'd say the odds are that he is back on something. It may not be steroids, it may be HGH (human growth hormone). This is illegal in MLB but it is not tested for, it can only be detected through blood tests which are not given. Only urine samples are taken. And there are stories about these being switched, etc.

 

I believe that a number of players are still on either steroids with some kind of masking agent, or HGH. This is why I hope Congress takes over the testing next year.

 

Once a hall of famer like Eckersley raises the question, it is hard to pretend that it is only a few fans who are talking about this issue. If Giambi is back on the juice, this infuriates me that he thinks he can get away with it again.

[bobby jr]

P R O V E I T.

 

I don't know how much clearer I can make it. Until you have proof, you sound stupid. And don't tell me about talking out of my ass. It's amazing, I use these things called stats in my arguments and keep everything pretty reasonable. If you don't like the fact I'm calling you stupid for talking out of your ass then stop doing it. Or just ignore it.

 

Sometimes you can make a judgement based upon circumstancial evidence. Even in court this is sometimes enough to convict.

 

The circumstancial evidence points to Giambi is back on the juice. He was a great hitter two years ago while on steroids. He turned into a total bum without them early in the season. Then in July suddenly regains his strength and size and starts blasting HR's again. Once people start raising questions, he goes into a slump in August. Then down the home stretch he turns it on again and looks like The Natural out there. I just don't buy it.

[ARod2212]

So your evidence is, he's playing the way he has in the past? You'll be laughed out of court.

 

 

 

 

I'm sick of this steroid s***. Nobody will be able to prove anything, so its all speculation. Until we have someone suspended, Palmiero style, it's useless to try and belittle players who haven't been caught.

 

I would love steroid testing to be ramped up, but until it is I find it tiring to accuse guys.

[heyabbott]

I think the fact that he had the biggest turn around in the history of baseball is all the evidence I need. Then as soon as people started talking about him using steroids again he had a slump ... then the second they stopped bringing his name up he caught fire again. Look after you do something once people will always be suspicious of you. I'm not just talking about baseball ... it's the same in all aspects of life.

 

Exactly like bobby jr. said fool me once shame on you ...

 

Just looking for proof, not speculation.

[MC Hammer]

Yeah, its called talking out of your ass. Lots of people do it, but it doesn't make you any less stupid.

It's definatly not talking out of ones ass. And it's far from blind speculation. The guy has used steroids before, and like I said before there will always be speculation because of that. Don't get mad at us because you have a cheater on your team. The last time he put up numbers like this he was on steroids, so how is it out of the question that he's using them again?

 

And, like I have said before it is impossible to add size and strength during the season and a HOF reliever backs me up on that. Giambi has gotten bigger and stronger during the season, and there are only two ways to explain that ... steroids, or HGH.

 

And you know what Arod, maybe instead of telling us to shut up, you leave. I don't know why I have to keep reminding you Yankee fans that this is talkSOX ... not talkfags. If you don't like it ... leave ... this forum wasn't made for you anyway.

[ARod2212]

You don't have to keep reminding anyone it's talksox. I'm well aware. That doesn't make my opinion any less valid, however. If opposing opinions aren't allowed, then isn't this whole idea of a message board pretty stupid?

 

I do like it here, but I can't stand pointless speculation. The fact you need to face is, there is no evidence, period. People can gain muscle.. unless you think you are born with them. If you are going to have some EXTREME artificial bifurcation, then go right ahead and say steroids or HGH are the only way. However, that is just being blindly biased and ignorant.

 

 

Oh and by the way

 

Talking out of ass: (pron. tawk-ing, ahs)- To make an argument with nothing as evidential backup. (see also, bias)

[yankeessuck013]

Juicambi is a fraud! He loses weight and health declines and can't hit the broad side of a barn 2 feet away. He suddenly gains 30 lbs and has hit more HR than anyone else in the second half in the AL. you tell me if that isn't strange.

[MC Hammer]

You don't have to keep reminding anyone it's talksox. I'm well aware. That doesn't make my opinion any less valid, however. If opposing opinions aren't allowed, then isn't this whole idea of a message board pretty stupid?

 

I do like it here, but I can't stand pointless speculation. The fact you need to face is, there is no evidence, period. People can gain muscle.. unless you think you are born with them. If you are going to have some EXTREME artificial bifurcation, then go right ahead and say steroids or HGH are the only way. However, that is just being blindly biased and ignorant.

 

 

Oh and by the way

 

Talking out of ass: (pron. tawk-ing, ahs)- To make an argument with nothing as evidential backup. (see also, bias)

No see you're wrong. People do not gain size DURING A SEASON. I think a HOF reliever has been around the game just a little more, and knows just a little bit more than you do, about how things work. Now if Giambi came out day one the size he is now, and hitting the way he is now, fine. But the fact is he didn't, he's gained size and strength, and I don't know why it has to be stated again but DE said that gaining size and strength is not something that happens during the season, and it is impossible to do legally.

 

I believe talking out of your ass applies to you now.

 

And once again ... NOT BLINDLY BASED. He used steroids before ... thats all the basis for an argument you need.

[soxie thefangirl]

wow i'm sorry. no one can gain that much muscle in the course of one season. barely. get serious.

[ARod2212]

No see you're wrong. People do not gain size DURING A SEASON. I think a HOF reliever has been around the game just a little more, and knows just a little bit more than you do, about how things work. Now if Giambi came out day one the size he is now, and hitting the way he is now, fine. But the fact is he didn't, he's gained size and strength, and I don't know why it has to be stated again but DE said that gaining size and strength is not something that happens during the season, and it is impossible to do legally.

 

I believe talking out of your ass applies to you now.

 

And once again ... NOT BLINDLY BASED. He used steroids before ... thats all the basis for an argument you need.

John Kruk is a former major leaguer. I don't give a f*** if someone is a HOFer, that does not mean they know the situation.

 

 

Hmm.. I wonder why he lost all that weight. Maybe the GIANT f***ING TUMOR had something to do with it? Or perhaps the parasite that was eating away him.

 

Tumor goes away, and he gets back to normal. Parasite's gone and he's got some weight again. He doesn't play baseball for a year, and starts picking up his mechanics again, during midseason. He gets strength back from working out.

 

I don't see this "increased weight" during the season. He got his mechanics back in order, and got his bat speed back to normal.

Spring training

http://espn.starwave.com/i/page2/photos/040405giambi.jpg

 

 

 

Today vs. Boston

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050911/i/r510314365.jpg?x=380&y=268&sig=tFaV2s96ElTFXYhl9BEkAA--

 

 

 

 

 

Someone tell me, why it can't be that Giambi got mechanics fixed from working with Mattingly and getting back into playing shape?

[MC Hammer]

John Kruk is a former major leaguer. I don't give a f*** if someone is a HOFer, that does not mean they know the situation.

 

 

Hmm.. I wonder why he lost all that weight. Maybe the GIANT f***ING TUMOR had something to do with it? Or perhaps the parasite that was eating away him.

 

Tumor goes away, and he gets back to normal. Parasite's gone and he's got some weight again. He doesn't play baseball for a year, and starts picking up his mechanics again, during midseason. He gets strength back from working out.

 

I don't see this "increased weight" during the season. He got his mechanics back in order, and got his bat speed back to normal.

Spring training

http://espn.starwave.com/i/page2/photos/040405giambi.jpg

 

 

 

Today vs. Boston

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050911/i/r510314365.jpg?x=380&y=268&sig=tFaV2s96ElTFXYhl9BEkAA--

 

 

 

 

 

Someone tell me, why it can't be that Giambi got mechanics fixed from working with Mattingly and getting back into playing shape?

What the f*** does Kruky have to do with this?

 

Improving mechanics never helped a player gain this much power in this short a time. And if Mattingly is this good with someone who sucked as much as Giambi did at the begining of the year then Arod would be hitting .1000 and have 100 HRs already.

[ARod2212]

What the f*** does Kruky have to do with this?

 

Improving mechanics never helped a player gain this much power in this short a time. And if Mattingly is this good with someone who sucked as much as Giambi did at the begining of the year then Arod would be hitting .1000 and have 100 HRs already.

The fact that you were using a MLers opinion as a fact. John Kruk has an opinion, doesn't make it true just the same as Eck.

 

Improved mechanics, are EVERYTHING. You can generate more power and make more solid contact. I used to have f***ed up mechanics hitting, I worked some of them out and now I hit the ball harder and further, which no additional muscle.

 

ARod is hitting .320, which is higher than .1000 any day. Sorry, I know what you meant, but it should've been 1.000.

 

And Mattingly is one of the better hitting coaches in baseball, I'm glad we picked him up. My honest opinion, is he's just healthy and clicking.

[Yankydave]

I'm so glad Eckersley (employee of the Red Sox) has something bad to suspect about a Yankee (rival of the Red Sox) while working on NESN (owned by the Red Sox). Also, someone let me know when Eck stops hanging out at gay bars and cuts off his "remember me, I was an athlete all the way back when this was cool" mustache.

[schillingouttheks]

Eh, Eck was married to a woman My mom knows his ex-wife...so as far as gay bars go, YOU'RE WRONG.

[ORS]

The stronger the hands the further the ball is going to go. We ended every day in the gym doing wrist curls (wrists back and wrists forward) to improve hand strength.

 

ARod2212, I agree with you about Giambi's resurgence being due mainly to improved mechanics. I don't think the mechanics are making him hit the ball any farther. The fact that he is making solid contact more often than he was before is why he's hitting more out IMO. He's just seeing the ball better now.

 

While I agree with you there, I don't agree with your assessment that his size is unchanged. Look at the photos. His forearms are much bigger in the one from today's game. I've spent a bit of time in the gym between playing sports and the Marines. It takes a lot of work to gain that much size on that part of your body.

 

Is it due to something other than hard work? I don't know and don't care to speculate. I don't know how much weight he lost or when he was able to resume his weight training.

[riverside sluggers]

I'm so glad Eckersley (employee of the Red Sox) has something bad to suspect about a Yankee (rival of the Red Sox) while working on NESN (owned by the Red Sox). Also, someone let me know when Eck stops hanging out at gay bars and cuts off his "remember me, I was an athlete all the way back when this was cool" mustache.

 

well thats a strong and mature argument. "oh yea well he's gay"--christ, grow up dude

[Yankydave]

well thats a strong and mature argument. "oh yea well he's gay"--christ, grow up dude

 

I said he hangs out at gay bars because he looks like a long lost member of the Village People. I guess that look might be in up there.

[See Red]

I said he hangs out at gay bars because he looks like a long lost member of the Village People. I guess that look might be in up there.

 

Oh, well, in that case... it's a perfectly acceptable argument and it does pertain to the subject at hand.

[ARod2212]

Is it due to something other than hard work? I don't know and don't care to speculate. I don't know how much weight he lost or when he was able to resume his weight training.

I'm not a muscle expert, at all. However, is there a thing called muscle memory? Like if you bulk up and then lose it, it'll be easier to get back than initially? I have a feeling that is a major part of his stronger looking body. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though, because I'm not sure exactly how that works.

[Manny Goes Boom]

I'm not a muscle expert, at all. However, is there a thing called muscle memory? Like if you bulk up and then lose it, it'll be easier to get back than initially? I have a feeling that is a major part of his stronger looking body. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though, because I'm not sure exactly how that works.

 

Im pretty sure that muscle memory is your muscle's moving the same again and again.

 

And why doesn't this thread die? :dunno:

[BrentD22]

f*** the Yankees! We talk way too much about the f***ing Yankees on this board. It's called talksox.com not the YES Boards. I say please "shut up".

[ARod2212]

Im pretty sure that muscle memory is your muscle's moving the same again and again.

 

And why doesn't this thread die? :dunno:

Because every time Giambi hits a homerun, people want to bring up steroid talk. And he's been hitting lots of homeruns.

[See Red]

Once you can come up with an actual way in which he can gain muscle during a season, playing practically every day, then this thread will die. But he's gained muscle during the regular season -- which is impossible to do without aid.