Giambi's Mysterious Power Surge

[CrespoBlows]

read the post that I quoted . In fact ill post it for you.

 

 

Now because his opinion was that happened overnight doesnt make it so. And he basically came out and said that I contradicted my arguement (which I didnt) and "you lose", which led to my response in the post you quoted. how about before you make posts like the above you read back a bit. And besides, that post had nothing to do with you.

 

And was you're little piece at the bottom supposed to hurt me? I think you're taking this a little too far by attempting to get personal. I have been pretty good about not disrespecting you guys. I expect the same in return.

 

Giambi didn't gradually work his way up. After his HR against the Pirates, he rocketed back. I don't know what blind world you live in.

 

Frankly, I could care less if Jason is juicing, you're points aren't valid, and that's why I said "you lose".

 

Oh, and by the way, MCHammer tore you to shreads. I have more of a belief that he's on steriods after weighing your and his arguements.

[MC Hammer]

Giambi didn't gradually work his way up. After his HR against the Pirates, he rocketed back. I don't know what blind world you live in.

 

Frankly, I could care less if Jason is juicing, you're points aren't valid, and that's why I said "you lose".

 

Oh, and by the way, MCHammer tore you to shreads. I have more of a belief that he's on steriods after weighing your and his arguements.

I may have torn him to shreds but One Red Seat lit those shreds on fire.

[26 to 6]

I don't consider opinions, nor the defense of them, disrespectful. It is the act of attempting to pass your opinion off as more than an opinion.

 

Bias proved:

 

from the thread "2004 Minor League Organizational Rankings" in Minor League Prospects

 

thread link

 

Cano vs. Pedroia

 

 

Youk vs. Duncan

 

 

Wang vs. Papelbon

 

 

A person with an unbiased approach to this discussion would be consistant in choosing a prospect with big upside or a player with MLB experience. You do not do that. You defend Wang and Cano against the prospective talent of Papelbon and Pedroia by citing their current experience, then do a complete 180 degree turn and say Duncan is better than Youk because of his potential despite Youk's MLB experience. That is blatant hypocrisy. You took both sides of the same argument and used whichever one supported the Yankee player that was part of the discussion. I'd have to make something up to make it appear more biased.

I didnt tag that as unbiased, as a Yankee fan im obviously going to defend the Yankee prospects. Also if you go back and read the posts I think the things I said were fair, and because I strongly defend an opinion doesnt mean im trying to push my feleing on a matter onto someone else. Get a clue.

 

I'd just like to find out what 26-6 was saying about Giambi in the first 2 months of this season. I seriously doubt you were this behind the guy. I seriously doubt you would have defended him no matter what the subject, but now he's hitting HRs and doing good and the fairweather Yankee fans have jumped right back on his bandwagon. So lame.

Its no secret 8/10 Yankee fans booed Giambi early in the year. But because of his production he is getting more support. There is no denying that, but i dont think that makes a fairweather fan. Even you guys dont support every player. For instance. You guys love Millar when he's good and absolutely kill him when he's been bad. (Please dont even argue this, there are numerous threads filled with you guys bashing Millar). Does this make you guys fairweather fans?

[26 to 6]

Giambi didn't gradually work his way up. After his HR against the Pirates, he rocketed back. I don't know what blind world you live in.

 

Frankly, I could care less if Jason is juicing, you're points aren't valid, and that's why I said "you lose".

 

Oh, and by the way, MCHammer tore you to shreads. I have more of a belief that he's on steriods after weighing your and his arguements.

Um...you dont know what you're talking about. You can go and look at the box scores to verify this. After his walkoff shot against Pittsburgh he went back into a week-long slump (somewhere between a week and 2 weeks) and then after that he started to turn it up agai, full time.

 

And how are my points not valid. Because im a Yankee fan and dont share the same opinion as you guys?

[ORS]

I didnt tag that as unbiased...

From the same post, not the same thread, the same f***ing post:

So according to my UNBIASED projections....

Not only did I prove your bias, but I proved you a liar too. Care to continue?

[26 to 6]

From the same post, not the same thread, the same f***ing post:

 

Not only did I prove your bias, but I proved you a liar too. Care to continue?

OK, so I was wrong, I did tag it as unbias, would you like to tar and feather me for not remembering WORD for WORD a post I made how many months ago?

 

And I still believe those are pretty fair projections.

[ORS]

Of course you do, but you have no credibility, so what you think hardly matters.

[26 to 6]

Of course you do, but you have no credibility, so what you think hardly matters.

and exactly what credibility do you have?

[ARod2212]

I just hope and pray that if Giambi is back on steroids or HGH, that he does not help the Yankees into the World Series like he did two years ago while he was on the juice. The Red Sox deserved to be in that Series take away those two game seven HR's by Giambi in the ALCS and they would have been.

 

And I hope that MLB somehow has strict testing which includes blood tests by next year, so what has happened with Giambi this year can never, ever happen again.

He was off steroids by then.

 

Oh, and more importantly. IT WASN'T AGAINST THE RULES. Immoral, yes. Against rules, no. Blame the system, not the person. Unless you would like to invoke ex post facto laws on everyone.

 

Lame, choke yourself.

[MC Hammer]

and exactly what credibility do you have?

Well he's yet to blatenly contradict himself in a post like you have. So I'd say he has quite a bit.

 

Stop trying to defend your credibility dude cause you lost all of it when One Red Seat posted your quotes. Just drop it, walk away, and hope, eventually, we forget.

[ARod2212]

man 26.. I was killing these guys in the Giambi argument. What happened? (just playing man, don't worry about it. These guys are not going to change their minds no matter what)

[MC Hammer]

man 26.. I was killing these guys in the Giambi argument. What happened? (just playing man, don't worry about it. These guys are not going to change their minds no matter what)

... and you're not going to change ours, so why not give up?

[ARod2212]

... and you're not going to change ours, so why not give up?

I've made my points, they are valid enough (far more than a lot of things being accepted as truths, anyway). People who are choosing to skip over them are being ignorant, so that's their problem. I'm pretty much done with this topic.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

What the heck ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

Was Giambi tested for steroids this season? Probably.

Was Giambi's name released this season as an active user of steroids? No.

 

Until MLB says his name neither you nor I have any valid reason to assume that Giambi's weight and/or muscle gain has anything to do with steroids.

[MC Hammer]

What the heck ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

Was Giambi tested for steroids this season? Probably.

Was Giambi's name released this season as an active user of steroids? No.

 

Until MLB says his name neither you nor I have any valid reason to assume that Giambi's weight and/or muscle gain has anything to do with steroids.

Please read the thread before posting. We heard that lame arguement 25 pages ago.

[Cityofchampions33]

I may have torn him to shreds but One Red Seat lit those shreds on fire.

 

Good job one red seat, that post was killer. About Giambi, some are sayin he fixed his swing (which is always messed up and akward looking) but the only thing thats different about it is that its faster, as in bat speed. You can tell not only by looking at his HRs, but his foul balls. Pre-July he just lofted pitches to his left, but now a lot of his foul balls are hard hit big flies or liners to the left. Also there was nothing gradual about his improvement:

April: 3 HRs, 6 RBIs

May: 1 HR, 7 RBIs

June: 1 HR, 9 RBIs

July: 10 HRs, 16 RBIs

Another thing got me thinking even more, when he hit that homer off of Wake. How in the world did it go that far. Granted RF is not wicked far away but still. 1st of all, he made a terrible swing, he was hunched over and way over the plate, as if he were parallel to the ground, 2nd of all he didn't even follow through at all, just kinda left it in front of him after he hit it, and also it wasn't even a 90 mph fastball, it was like a 70 mph curveball that would hardly add the distance if he wouldve hit a fastball.

[ARod2212]

What the heck ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

Was Giambi tested for steroids this season? Probably.

Was Giambi's name released this season as an active user of steroids? No.

 

Until MLB says his name neither you nor I have any valid reason to assume that Giambi's weight and/or muscle gain has anything to do with steroids.

hahahahahaah, don't you know that he's a YANKEE! He must be cheating, he couldn't possibly do it honestly.

Yankee fans are soooooo dumb, lolz.

[MC Hammer]

hahahahahaah, don't you know that he's a YANKEE! He must be cheating, he couldn't possibly do it honestly.

Yankee fans are soooooo dumb, lolz.

 

I've made my points, they are valid enough (far more than a lot of things being accepted as truths, anyway). People who are choosing to skip over them are being ignorant, so that's their problem. I'm pretty much done with this topic.

 

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[ARod2212]

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The girl is making a valid point, and your just dismissing it.

 

 

Ignorance sure is nice, isn't it?

[ORS]

I'm all for presumed innocense until proven guilty, but just because he hasn't failed a test doesn't make speculation unfair. The guy admitted he did it before, and given the overall drop in power from several key players associated with the entire affair, one can logically correlate profficiency to steroid usage. Additionally, Jason is showing several side effects associated with steroids. His skin tone is redder, he seems to be exploding out of his skin, his eyes have that wild look (I know what it looks like because I have known several people who used), and he sweats profusely in environments that most others seem to be very comfortable in. All these factors, added to his history and improved power numbers, make speculation quite fair in my opinion.

 

Personally, I think he is using something (HGH or some new undectable steroid - they make new drugs every day), but I don't think it matters that much. I'm from the school of thought that says balls only go a long way when you hit them with the fat part of the bat and muscle forming drugs don't help with that. I also believe that a person can get strong enough to hit the ball out of any ball park without using, provided they can make the required good contact, so the benefit of steroids is unnecessary.

[Sizzlin22]

hahahahahaah, don't you know that he's a YANKEE! He must be cheating, he couldn't possibly do it honestly.

Yankee fans are soooooo dumb, lolz.

It's not so much that he's a Yankee, it's that there's reason to suspect the guy. Put it this way Mom notices kid acting wierd, finds out he smokes pot, he stops and starts to act normal again, Mom notices 2 and a half months later, kid is acting wierd again, whats the immediate conclusion?

[26 to 6]

Please read the thread before posting. We heard that lame arguement 25 pages ago.

so s***, whats the point of having the policy, even if you test negative you're still guilty according to RSN...or is that just for Yankee players who come up clean.

 

Well he's yet to blatenly contradict himself in a post like you have. So I'd say he has quite a bit.

 

Stop trying to defend your credibility dude cause you lost all of it when One Red Seat posted your quotes. Just drop it, walk away, and hope, eventually, we forget.

He has no more credibility than I do. He doesnt work for ESPN, hes not an expert, hes not getting paid to give his projections on prospects (which is why he said i had no credibility), etc..that was a lame arguement. Nobody on this board has crediblity. We're all just a bunch of baseball fans talking about baseball.

 

man 26.. I was killing these guys in the Giambi argument. What happened? (just playing man, don't worry about it. These guys are not going to change their minds no matter what)

lol, i tried to be rational at the start, but lately with all my arguements my emotions have gotten in the way with these guys

[MC Hammer]

He has no more credibility than I do. He doesnt work for ESPN, hes not an expert, hes not getting paid to give his projections on prospects (which is why he said i had no credibility), etc..that was a lame arguement. Nobody on this board has crediblity. We're all just a bunch of baseball fans talking about baseball

Yeah but how many times has he contridicted himself. This has nothing to do with what he knows about sports and everything to do with his credibility as a person. He could have never seen a baseball game before and he'd still be more credible than you because he hasn't contradicted himself on this board the way you have. It's really time to wake up and realize One Red Seats post ruined you forever on this board, and your comments will never be taken seriously again. Just give up admit you're wrong and try to save a little face.

[ORS]

He has no more credibility than I do. He doesnt work for ESPN, hes not an expert, hes not getting paid to give his projections on prospects (which is why he said i had no credibility), etc..that was a lame arguement. Nobody on this board has crediblity. We're all just a bunch of baseball fans talking about baseball.

You are colossally stupid. Credentials aren't the only thing that make you credible; your character does too. Liars and hypocrites aren't credible. I proved that you have done both, thus, you have no credibility.

[26 to 6]

You are colossally stupid. Credentials aren't the only thing that make you credible; your character does too. Liars and hypocrites aren't credible. I proved that you have done both, thus, you have no credibility.

lying and being mistaken are 2 different things. If you expect me to remember word for word a post I made in July than you are a hypocrit.

[ORS]

lying and being mistaken are 2 different things. If you expect me to remember word for word a post I made in July than you are a hypocrit.

Holy crap does your spelling, which was barely passable to begin with, get s***** when you are upset. It's not hypocritical to expect someone to remember what they said. In fact, that doesn't even come close to the definition of the word. Nice try though.

 

Logic 101: If-then, not if-than

 

EDIT:

You are colossally stupid.

Please respond again. I love being proved right.

[ARod2212]

It's not so much that he's a Yankee, it's that there's reason to suspect the guy. Put it this way Mom notices kid acting wierd, finds out he smokes pot, he stops and starts to act normal again, Mom notices 2 and a half months later, kid is acting wierd again, whats the immediate conclusion?

If it was a direct cause and effect, then I could justify it the same way. However there are two things. You can't just turn off your muscles by not taking steroids for a month, and steroids don't teach you how to hit a baseball with consistent solid contact. If what you guys say is true, that when R-Palm got caught he went off HGH, he wouldn't just stop hitting the baseball. He'd lose distance, maybe. But his mechanics will still be the same, and still should have been hitting line drives. He wasn't, he was popping up and grounding out. Going through what most people call a slump.

 

More importantly, steroids don't cause you to be able to hit. Pot will make you act weird, HGH won't give you good leg drive and hand-eye coordination.

 

 

 

Think of it like Curt Schilling. He was hurt last year, he had to rehab and got back to his old playing ability. What happened when Curt was on the Opening Day roster and didn't perform? He went to the minors. He took a lot of time to get back to his full potential, but he's just about there. Giambi had a parasite and a tumor, which sapped him of just about all his strength last year, he basically went a full year without playing. Now you are telling me, he's supposed to be back and ready to go at his full ability by Opening Day? No, he had to work at it for a while, get his strength back and the fundamental hitting mechanics down to start hitting the ball solid again. He started hitting line drives and took off from there. It is really not that uncommon of a case.

[See Red]

If it was a direct cause and effect, then I could justify it the same way. However there are two things. You can't just turn off your muscles by not taking steroids for a month, and steroids don't teach you how to hit a baseball with consistent solid contact. If what you guys say is true, that when R-Palm got caught he went off HGH, he wouldn't just stop hitting the baseball. He'd lose distance, maybe. But his mechanics will still be the same, and still should have been hitting line drives. He wasn't, he was popping up and grounding out. Going through what most people call a slump.

 

More importantly, steroids don't cause you to be able to hit. Pot will make you act weird, HGH won't give you good leg drive and hand-eye coordination.

 

Think of it like Curt Schilling. He was hurt last year, he had to rehab and got back to his old playing ability. What happened when Curt was on the Opening Day roster and didn't perform? He went to the minors. He took a lot of time to get back to his full potential, but he's just about there. Giambi had a parasite and a tumor, which sapped him of just about all his strength last year, he basically went a full year without playing. Now you are telling me, he's supposed to be back and ready to go at his full ability by Opening Day? No, he had to work at it for a while, get his strength back and the fundamental hitting mechanics down to start hitting the ball solid again. He started hitting line drives and took off from there. It is really not that uncommon of a case.

 

 

The question is... how did he get his strength back? I don't know why you don't understand this -- you can't put on muscle during a season. Any sport, at any competitive level, High School and up, have 'gameday workouts' -- There is absolutely no way you can put on muscle with said workouts and every day is a gameday.

[MC Hammer]

More importantly, steroids don't cause you to be able to hit. Pot will make you act weird, HGH won't give you good leg drive and hand-eye coordination.

.... What exactly is the point of that statement?

 

And BTW steroids do make you stronger which makes your legs stronger ... which gives you more drive. So not only does your statement make no sense, but it's false.

[schillingouttheks]

I think he meant to say steroids don't help your hand-eye coordination, therefore saying, that he WOULD be able to at least make CONTACT with the ball if not on the 'roids, anyway. Of course it gives you more power/drive, but doesn't increase hand eye coordination.