A.j. Burnett To Boston?

[bigpapi349]

beter than bellhop

[bigpapi349]

espns tim kurjkin says that the marlins called the red sox to discuss aj burnett after the orioles put there trade on hold

its clear they want him traded within the next couple of days

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

you mean the Marlins called the Red Sox

[bigpapi349]

ya

[Sizzlin22]

According to Baseball Tonight the Marlins contacted both the Red Sox and the Yankees, neither were interested, lets face it Burnett is going to the O's which really scares me.

[Tek4pres]

According to Baseball Tonight the Marlins contacted both the Red Sox and the Yankees, neither were interested, lets face it Burnett is going to the O's which really scares me.

 

Neither were interested in the deal that the Marlins pitched, but who knows where that leaves the Marlins. Truth is, they certainly want to get rid of Burnett and if they keep hitting stonewalls with the Sox, Yanks and O's they'll either go elsewhere or relax their demands.

 

And just rehashing an old point to amend the proposed trades here: I'm pretty sure that any deal involving Stern would have to involve the Braves in someway since he is a rule five player meaning he has to stay on the major league roster or DL or be offered back to the Braves for half the purchasing price (50,000). The player is then subject to waivers and can be taken by any team willing to pay the price, but he must remain on the major league roster there. I know that you can get around that rule of keeping him on the 25 man roster by offerring a player to the Braves in return, so I guess that's what it would take to trade him.

[yankeessuck013]

Red Sox redouble efforts to land Burnett

It seems the Red Sox aren’t out of the A.J. Burnett sweepstakes after all. The Orioles were thought to be very close to a deal to acquire Burnett yesterday, but that trade has hit a snag because of Baltimore’s reluctance to pick up the remaining years (two) and money ($21 million) remaining on third baseman Mike Lowell’s contract. The Marlins have been trying to unload Lowell on any team that trades for Burnett. According to the Globe's Gordon Edes, the Orioles’ reluctance has motivated the Red Sox to redouble their efforts to acquire Burnett. Florida is hoping to get a serviceable starting pitcher and a top setup man in return. The Red Sox would be willing to part with Bronson Arroyo if they could get Burnett and were attempting to involve a third team that could offer an additional piece that would satisfy the Marlins. The Sox also are leery of picking up the remaining years and money on Lowell’s contract, especially with Kevin Youkilis looming as the third baseman of the future. Lowell has struggled this season, hitting .233 with four homers and 38 RBIs. The Sox have also talked to the Twins about a deal in which third baseman Bill Mueller would go to Minnesota for lefthanded setup man J.C. Romero. That deal could be expanded to include Twins pitcher Joe Mays.

[yankeessuck013]

Just think how mad the orioles would be if we move in and get Burnett. I am all for getting Burnett and I would make sure that he would resign with us before any deal is made for about 4-36 or up to 4-40 with and injury claus or maybe an innings pitched claus to protect us long term. I think that Lowell is a good option at third with gold glove defense and a change of scenery may do him well for a slumping first half. He is only 31 and looking at the free agent first basemen and third basemen for next year at about 10 million for two more years isnt that bad seeing how Beltre got 14 per year last year. Fenway I believe will help his hitting stats with the monster and we are also losing Mueller, Millar, Olerud, Cora, and possibly JD after this season.....or we could just trade lowell to the twins for romero

[bigpapi349]

PHOENIX · The Marlins' search for a worthwhile package in exchange for starter A.J. Burnett is moving beyond Chesapeake Bay.

 

Once considered a virtual lock to land in Baltimore, Burnett's next move has become uncertain. The Marlins' insistence in attaching Mike Lowell to a deal for their coveted right-hander has kept Burnett in teal. Lowell is owed about $21 million through 2007, and the Marlins are finding it difficult to shed all or even a portion of that.

 

The Orioles' reluctance to take Lowell and any portion of his salary has prompted the Marlins to begin looking elsewhere. Team officials spent the better part of Wednesday working on a three-way deal involving the Red Sox and Twins.

 

In that scenario, the Marlins would have received pitchers Bronson Arroyo and Joe Mays. Bill Mueller and prospects would have gone to the Twins, and the Red Sox were set to get Lowell, Burnett and J.C. Romero.

 

According to one American League source, by early evening the deal looked like it was dead. The Sox aren't keen on taking Lowell, and the Marlins aren't crazy about Mays.

 

"Boston doesn't have any interest in Lowell," one team executive said. "Obviously [the Marlins] are not going to pay the whole thing. If he was performing anywhere near the way he did the last few years, we'd consider it. But he doesn't look like the same guy. In general, teams are saying they'd have trouble taking him even with [the Marlins] paying most of it."

 

If or when the Marlins determine they've exhausted all their possibilities of moving Lowell with Burnett, any number of teams will re-enter the hunt. The Red Sox, White Sox, Orioles, Tigers and Blue Jays all are willing to deal for Burnett.

 

Unlike some of the aforementioned clubs, the Red Sox are willing to take Burnett without signing him to an extension. Burnett is eligible for free agency after this season.

 

Any deal with the Red Sox would have to deliver Arroyo, who is not eligible for free agency until after 2008, to the Marlins. Chances are the Red Sox would need to acquire a bullpen arm from somewhere else to satisfy the Marlins' need for a reliever.

 

"Hopefully I stay around here," Burnett said, after getting the win Tuesday.

 

sun-sentinel

[bigpapi349]

i dont see y we wouldnt send lowell to minesota who is desperate for a 3B??

[MC Hammer]

We couldn't give lowell to mini because we have to get a pitcher from the Twinkies to get Lowell and Burnett. Plus I don't really think the twins are gonna want to take on that kind of salary especially considering they let corey koskie walk away last year because they didn't want to pay him.

[bigpapi349]

NEW YORK POST

 

There is big action in his neighborhood, but George Steinbrenner can't get in the game.

Worse, The Boss is likely to watch AL East rivals Boston or Baltimore land A.J. Burnett, the jewel of a very shallow pitching pool, because the Yankees don't have what the Marlins want.

 

According to somebody familiar with the Marlins' thinking, the Red Sox have slipped ahead of the Orioles in the race for Burnett because the Bosox will take struggling third baseman Mike Lowell with Burnett.

 

Supposedly, the deal is being discussed between owners since Boston's John Henry and the Marlins' Jeffrey Loria are very close.

 

It's not believed to being close, but with 10 days left before the trade deadline there is plenty of time to put it together.

 

Here is how the deal the Yankees can't touch is being put together:

 

The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a prospect to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell.

It's very real," a source said of the blockbuster deal the Yankees won't be happy about seeing go down.

 

The key is the Red Sox taking Lowell, because the 31-year-old former Yankee farmhand is owed a lot of money and is experiencing a miserable season. At least he would upgrade the Red Sox defense at third.

 

Lowell makes $7.5 million this year and has mutual options for $9 million in the next two seasons. He was batting .232 with four homers and 38 RBIs.

 

The White Sox and Angels have also expressed interest in Burnett, a 28-year old righty with electric stuff who will be a free agent after the season and makes $3.65 million this year. He is 6-6 with a 3.68 ERA and has fanned 120 in 1242/3 innings.

 

As for the Yankees, they are looking for an upgrade in center field and would like to land a back-of-the-end rotation starter. However, it doesn't appear GM Brian Cashman will be able to accomplish much without getting a third party interested in a three-way.

 

Their interest in Rockies right-hander Shawn Chacon is lukewarm at best. The Dodgers are shopping Odalis Perez, but he is owed close to $24 million through 2007 and is 4-5 with a 5.06 ERA.

 

:thumbsup:

[bigpapi349]

NEW YORK POST At least he would upgrade the Red Sox defense at third.

 

:what: how is mike lowell at all better defensivily than bill mueller who might win a gold glove this year

[bigpapi349]

PALM BEACH POST

 

PHOENIX — With the Baltimore Orioles reluctant to absorb even part of third baseman Mike Lowell's contract, the Marlins' quest to trade pitcher A.J. Burnett once again has spread to other teams.

 

The Boston Red Sox have jumped back into the talks, possibly with a third team, according to reports. Boston is offering starting pitcher Bronson Arroyo as the primary bait and would need a third team to take third baseman Bill Mueller if it winds up with Lowell.

Things are not quiet," Marlins General Manager Larry Beinfest said. "There is a lot of activity in the marketplace. There's a lot of phone conversations."

 

Although the Marlins and Orioles continue to talk, reports out of Baltimore say the Orioles are not willing to pick up even half of the $21 million due Lowell through 2007.

 

Lowell, 31, has been swinging the bat much better since the All-Star break, but has had some tough luck, hitting the ball right at people and being victimized at least three times by outstanding defensive plays. He has raised his average to.232 but remains stuck on four home runs. He has 38 RBI.

 

Burnett pitched well Tuesday, allowing three runs in six innings against Arizona while improving his record to 6-6. Burnett said he had expected to be traded before Tuesday's start.

 

"It's tough," he said. "I think of Brad Penny last year. He got traded the day of his start, when he got to the field."

 

Some reports say a proposed deal in which the Marlins would receive Baltimore pitching prospect Hayden Penn, relievers Jorge Julio and, possibly, Steve Kline and outfielder Larry Bigbie for Burnett and Lowell is on the back burner.

 

To help Baltimore absorb the cost of Burnett, the Marlins not only would have to pay a significant part of Lowell's contract, they would take Kline, a left-hander who has a two-year, $5.6 million contract. The Marlins, though, will not take starter Sidney Ponson and the $10 million remaining on his contract.

 

A trade with Boston would give the Marlins an immediate replacement for Burnett. Arroyo is 8-5 with a 4.05 ERA.

 

"We want to win this year, and we definitely think we have a chance to do that," Beinfest said. "But you always have an eye on the future. Anything we do, we say, 'What does this mean for now? What does this mean for the future?' "

 

Boston has been linked to the Marlins' trade talks from the start, but one report said the team was mystified by the Marlins' reluctance to return calls earlier this week. The Red Sox might be willing to take on more of Lowell's contract if they could unload Mueller, who is making $2.5 million this season.

 

The White Sox and Blue Jays also have expressed an interest in Burnett, but neither is willing to take Lowell.

[bigpapi349]

i think if burnett and lowell go anywhere it will be boston just because no other teams are willing to take lowell

[soxie thefangirl]

Lowell isn't better than Mueller by any standards. But to get Burnett, they'd have to take Lowell on as well. I say go for it.

[bigpapi349]

i think trade youkilis and millar to twins instead of mueller and hav lowell play 1st which he is willing to do

[Ringo]

i say we make the three way trade for burnett...get J.C. Romero, burnett, and lowell. Then we can have youk play 3rd and either have lowell play 1st or trade him away for more bullpen help.

[riverside sluggers]

no cant have lowell, first with him costsing the sox $21 million also that would be our "sammy sosa" on the bench. It should be a three team deal between the Red Sox, Marlins, and Twins.

 

Red Sox--AJ Burnett, JC Romero, prospect from Marlins

Marlins--Bronson Arroyo, Alan Embree, Kelly Shoppach, prospect from Twins

Twins--Mike Lowell, Abe Alvarez, Kevin Youkilis

[bigpapi349]

no cant have lowell, first with him costsing the sox $21 million also that would be our "sammy sosa" on the bench. It should be a three team deal between the Red Sox, Marlins, and Twins.

 

Red Sox--AJ Burnett, JC Romero, prospect from Marlins

Marlins--Bronson Arroyo, Alan Embree, Kelly Shoppach, prospect from Twins

Twins--Mike Lowell, Abe Alvarez, prospect from Marlins

 

i like this trade better than the one all the papers have but i dont think the twins wont a contract like lowells. theyre a small market team.

[riverside sluggers]

yeah its why I changed it some that the marlins would also get kevin youkilis, that way they could make youk their starting 3rd baseman with mike lowell getting utility duties

[Ringo]

why would the sox want to keep an ageing Bill Mueller? Hes a free agent after this year and his knees aren't getting any better. If were going to trade any 3rd baseman it should be him..not youk. Youk is great defensively and has more power than mueller. Give him a chance at the everyday job and trade the ageing mueller..not youkilis.

[bigpapi349]

i think your right but id miss mueller whos the hardest worker on the team

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Here was the proposed trade on Wednesday.....

 

The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a prospect to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell.

 

Now the Marlins are more interested in Lohse but the Twins don't want to give him up. The issue with the Sox is obviously Mike Lowell but I don't really have too much of a problem with him. As great a season Bill Mueller is having defensively....Mike Lowell has a higher fielding% and always has. They also have the same amount of errors and aside from the batting average....they have the same amount of runs, HR, and RBI.......

 

In short its not much of a downgrade if any its just the money. Mike Lowell is still not that old though and would probably benefit by playing in a more friendly ballpark.....not to mention the most important part of this deal.....we get an awesome setup lefty in JC Romero and..oh yeah AJ Burnett

 

 

MAKE THE DEAL

[Ringo]

I agree! Lets get the deal done!!

[elsrbueno]

Holy moly, a lot of stuff here to weed through. Finally made it.

 

Exciting developments. Seems the hangup on a deal is taking Lowell's contract? Do it. Mike Lowell was a great run producer as recently as last season and has the potential to be a better run producer yet again. Players don't just fall off the earth like that offensively. A change of scenery (to a playoff team) and the move to a hitters park could do the man wonders. He's no Scott Rolen with the glove, but he's solid and certainly wouldn't hurt the team in that way.

 

I love Bill Mueller, but if the Red Sox play their cards right, they could easily be better off at the end of this 3-way deal:

 

Burnett > Arroyo

Romero > Halama+Embree

Lowell >= Mueller

 

With Mueller a potential free agent, the Red Sox could not only move him for immediate (and future) help, but acquire a man who CAN play that position regularly RIGHT NOW. In dealing Mueller the team keeps Youkilis, who can be a regular in 06 taking over for Kevin Millar at first, or playing at third with Lowell moving to first.

 

This deal all depends on what the Sox have to give up in addition to Arroyo to make this happen. If they send Arroyo, Embree, and Shoppach to Florida for Burnett and Lowell, then send Mueller to the Twins for JC Romero, the rotation is stronger, the infield is very similar, and the bullpen is stronger. The team loses a prospect who didn't really fit in with their long term plan. Something LIKE this can only help the Red Sox IMO.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Holy moly, a lot of stuff here to weed through. Finally made it.

 

Exciting developments. Seems the hangup on a deal is taking Lowell's contract? Do it. Mike Lowell was a great run producer as recently as last season and has the potential to be a better run producer yet again. Players don't just fall off the earth like that offensively. A change of scenery (to a playoff team) and the move to a hitters park could do the man wonders. He's no Scott Rolen with the glove, but he's solid and certainly wouldn't hurt the team in that way.

 

I love Bill Mueller, but if the Red Sox play their cards right, they could easily be better off at the end of this 3-way deal:

 

Burnett > Arroyo

Romero > Halama+Embree

Lowell >= Mueller

 

With Mueller a potential free agent, the Red Sox could not only move him for immediate (and future) help, but acquire a man who CAN play that position regularly RIGHT NOW. In dealing Mueller the team keeps Youkilis, who can be a regular in 06 taking over for Kevin Millar at first, or playing at third with Lowell moving to first.

 

This deal all depends on what the Sox have to give up in addition to Arroyo to make this happen. If they send Arroyo, Embree, and Shoppach to Florida for Burnett and Lowell, then send Mueller to the Twins for JC Romero, the rotation is stronger, the infield is very similar, and the bullpen is stronger. The team loses a prospect who didn't really fit in with their long term plan. Something LIKE this can only help the Red Sox IMO.

 

HAHA go look at my posts in the Talk Sox Forum titled "Red Sox-Marlins-Twins Proposed Trade" and you will see we agree on everything once again. Thank you for making my point about Mike Lowell clear.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

nevermind it was moved to the rumor section....yea thats where it belongs what was i thinking

[Ringo]

Is it just me..but does this whole deal make wayyyy tooo much sense for the red sox? Is theo seeing what all of us are seeing?

[JohnnyDug]

:what: how is mike lowell at all better defensivily than bill mueller who might win a gold glove this year

 

exactly..the argument that he is old and susceptible to injury makes sense but he hasnt shown any major weaknesses as of late and I know we have to think about the long run but I cant help but think that letting him go would be a big mistake..especially with the whole lowell thing....uhhhh..