A.j. Burnett To Boston?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i would think so but some things i read say they are running into trouble....the two problems are

 

1) The Twins are more interested in Kyle Lohse than Joe Mays

2) The Red Sox are nervous about Mike Lowell

 

Theo must see how great this deal is and I guess it was already proposed so they might still be working on it. Its just a matter of getting all teams feeling good. The Marlins would pick up two starters and the Twins would add some offense. Obviously the Red Sox would gain a proven 3B, a dominant setup lefty, and a potential ace.....wow get it done

[Ringo]

exactly..the argument that he is old and susceptible to injury makes sense but he hasnt shown any major weaknesses as of late and I know we have to think about the long run but I cant help but think that letting him go would be a big mistake..especially with the whole lowell thing....uhhhh..

 

Are you serious? I know your in love with Bill Mueller..i like him too..but this deal makes soo much sense for the sox. It will make the WHOLE TEAM BETTER. Lowell will get better coming into this environment. Trust everyone thats saying it..because he will.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

exactly..the argument that he is old and susceptible to injury makes sense but he hasnt shown any major weaknesses as of late and I know we have to think about the long run but I cant help but think that letting him go would be a big mistake..especially with the whole lowell thing....uhhhh..

 

Mike Lowell - fielding% (.982) errors (4) assists (148)

Bill Mueller - fielding% (.978) errors (4) assists (128)

 

....there is nothing wrong with Mike Lowell's defense

[JohnnyDug]

Here was the proposed trade on Wednesday.....

 

The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a prospect to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell.

 

Now the Marlins are more interested in Lohse but the Twins don't want to give him up. The issue with the Sox is obviously Mike Lowell but I don't really have too much of a problem with him. As great a season Bill Mueller is having defensively....Mike Lowell has a higher fielding% and always has. They also have the same amount of errors and aside from the batting average....they have the same amount of runs, HR, and RBI.......

 

In short its not much of a downgrade if any its just the money. Mike Lowell is still not that old though and would probably benefit by playing in a more friendly ballpark.....not to mention the most important part of this deal.....we get an awesome setup lefty in JC Romero and..oh yeah AJ Burnett

 

 

MAKE THE DEAL

 

hate to see bill m. go but this makes much sense...def. need to make some sacrifices for that lefty.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

by the way for everyones information....

 

Mike Lowell has been hitting between Encarnacion, Lo Duca, and Easley....

 

I think he would benefit having Nixon, Manny and Varitek hit around him instead

[yeszir]

If this deal hinges on the fact that we'd have to take on Lowell, I say do it. His contract is annoying, but from a purely baseball standpoint he's not that terrible. Ok, maybe he is this year, but switching leagues may give him the spark he needs. Look at his stats:

Year Ag Tm  Lg  G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG   TB   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP 
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1998 24 NYY AL   8   15    1    4   0  0   0    0   0  0   0   1  .267  .267  .267    4   0   0   0   0   0
1999 25 FLA NL  97  308   32   78  15  0  12   47   0  0  26  69  .253  .317  .419  129   0   5   1   5   8
2000 26 FLA NL 140  508   73  137  38  0  22   91   4  0  54  75  .270  .344  .474  241   0  11   4   9   4
2001 27 FLA NL 146  551   65  156  37  0  18  100   1  2  43  79  .283  .340  .448  247   0  10   3  10   9
2002 28 FLA NL 160  597   88  165  44  0  24   92   4  3  65  92  .276  .346  .471  281   0  11   5   4  16
2003 29 FLA NL 130  492   76  136  27  1  32  105   3  1  56  78  .276  .350  .530  261   0   6   6   3  14
2004 30 FLA NL 158  598   87  175  44  1  27   85   5  1  64  77  .293  .365  .505  302   0   3   8   6  17
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
7 Seasons      839 3069  422  851 205  2 135  520  17  7 308 471  .277  .346  .477 1465   0  46  27  37  68
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
162 Game Avg        593   81  164  40  0  26  100   3  1  59  91  .277  .346  .477  283   0   9   5   7  13
Career High    160  598   88  175  44  1  32  105   5  3  65  92  .293  .365  .530  302   0  11   8  10  17

 

He averages a BA in the hihg .200s, he can hit for power, and is a 100 rbi threat. If it means:

1) Getting Burnett

2) Keeping Burnett away from the O's

then its totally worth getting Lowell.

[JohnnyDug]

not bad

 

and #2..very important.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Alright now we all just need to get a hold of Theo and help him out haha....

 

With Embree gone, Mueller in his last year, the Marlins wanting to dump Lowell....something is going to happen

[Ringo]

i agree. SOMEONE EMAIL THEO!!! lol

[JohnnyDug]

are you kidding? im calling him on the phone

[JohnnyDug]

Are you serious? I know your in love with Bill Mueller..i like him too..but this deal makes soo much sense for the sox. It will make the WHOLE TEAM BETTER. Lowell will get better coming into this environment. Trust everyone thats saying it..because he will.

 

in mot in love with bill mueller. thats someone else. and i said i would deal with getting rid of him if it means improving our rotation..all im saying is, its sad to see mueller go, and lowell scares me..but who knows he could be great..

[soxie thefangirl]

Getting rid of Mueller is a dumb move, I think, and should only be done if it's their last choice to pull off the deal.

[JohnnyDug]

i dont think its necessarily dumb but i do think it should be avoided unless it needs to be done..which may be the case unfortunatly.

[soxie thefangirl]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. If it needs to be, then I guess it will be. And it looks like it'll go down that way.

[bigpapi349]

MAKE THE TRADE- the redsox will be getting a great #2 starter with the best stuff in the NL (according to schilling) and will be getting 1 of the best LH setup guys along with a 3B who averages 25 HR and a .275 avg. a year. hes been doing much better second have of the year.

[bigpapi349]

it looks like billy wagner might also be involved. this is really confusing.

[bigpapi349]

it looks like the orioles are starting to give up on burnett. instead theyre going after jeff weaver and jason shmidt

 

The Marlins continue to speak with several teams, most prominently Baltimore and Boston. The Orioles are not sure they would make the deal even if the Marlins absorbed $10 million of the $21 million owed Lowell through 2007. One report in Baltimore said there might be a split in the Orioles front office about Burnett, with some high-ranking officials questioning whether he is a sure-fire No. 1 starter.

 

The Marlins are talking to Boston and Minnesota about a three-way deal in which the Marlins would receive pitchers Bronson Arroyo from the Red Sox and Joe Mays from Minnesota. Burnett, Lowell and reliever J.C. Romero would go to Boston and third baseman Bill Mueller and prospects would wind up with the Twins.

 

Baltimore has contacted the Dodgers about Jeff Weaver and the Giants about Jason Schmidt if the deal for Burnett falls through.

 

"We know that A.J.'s name is floating around and Mikey Lowell's name is floating around," Lenny Harris said. "It's brought our team a little closer. Everybody knows what's going on, we're just tying to keep it together and, hopefully, we'll keep these guys around."

 

-palm beach post

[riverside sluggers]

hey theo, ya hear that? its the orioles backing off! get the deal done

[bigpapi349]

i hope something gets done but i dont think anyone is close to getting burnett. this might be like last with last minute trades

the globes gordon edes likes the redsox chances with burnett

article

[bigpapi349]

RHP A.J. Burnett, Marlins

Contract status: Signed through '05

July 21 -- The Boston Globe reported that the Red Sox are interested in acquiring Burnett. A deal that would send Burnett to the Orioles has hit a snag because of Baltimore's reluctance to pick up the contract of third baseman Mike Lowell, according to The Washington Post and the Baltimore Sun

 

MLB.COM

[bigpapi349]

The Baltimore Orioles could have a new ace as soon as Friday night.

 

ESPN's Peter Gammons reports that talks between the Marlins and Orioles for pitcher A.J. Burnett heated up Friday afternoon.

 

According to a source, if the Orioles can move pitcher Sidney Ponson -- rumored to go through Texas, possibly to Tampa Bay -- Baltimore can use the money saved to make third baseman Mike Lowell's contract work.

 

Lowell, who is batting a disappointing .230 with just four homers and 39 RBI, is owed about $21 million through 2007.

 

The Marlins think a trade could happen Friday night, although it's not clear whether or not the Orioles will ask for a window to try to sign Burnett.

 

The 28-year-old Burnett, who can become a free agent after the season, is 6-6 with a 3.68 ERA.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Baltimore Orioles could have a new ace as soon as Friday night.

 

ESPN's Peter Gammons reports that talks between the Marlins and Orioles for pitcher A.J. Burnett heated up Friday afternoon.

 

According to a source, if the Orioles can move pitcher Sidney Ponson -- rumored to go through Texas, possibly to Tampa Bay -- Baltimore can use the money saved to make third baseman Mike Lowell's contract work.

 

Lowell, who is batting a disappointing .230 with just four homers and 39 RBI, is owed about $21 million through 2007.

 

The Marlins think a trade could happen Friday night, although it's not clear whether or not the Orioles will ask for a window to try to sign Burnett.

 

The 28-year-old Burnett, who can become a free agent after the season, is 6-6 with a 3.68 ERA.

 

heard that before...its 11pm...still no word and why would anyone especially Texas or Tampa Bay want Fat Ponson and his big contract....he stinks hello??

[bigpapi349]

ya that confused me too. hes contracts almost as fat as him. and he sucks. hes already vetoed a trade to tampa bay cause he has a no trade clause

[bigpapi349]

i could c texas but y would tampa want him

:wtf:

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

seriously why would anyone want him...he doesnt cure anything for a team....i hope this is a "Peter Gammons talking outta his ass" moment

[RedSoxRooter]

The Boston Herald says:

 

According to sources, the Orioles, Florida Marlins and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are on the verge of consumating a deal that would bring Burnett to Baltimore along with infielder Mike Lowell and minor league outfielder Eric Reed. In return, the Marlins were to receive outfielder Larry Bigbie, starter Hayden Penn and relievers Jorge Julio and Steve Kline.

 

The final stage of the deal would be for the Orioles to find a home for starter Sidney Ponson in order to clear payroll to take on Lowell's salary.

 

Sources said Baltimore wanted to send Ponson to Florida, who in turn would ship him to the Devil Rays in exchange for one of three relievers - Trever Miller, Travis Harper or Lance Carter.

 

As for the Orioles, the addition of Burnett will give them a powerful arm to help combat the Red Sox and New York Yankees in the AL East. Baltimore is expected to employ Lowell as a first baseman and DH on a club that already features one of the most explosive lineups in the AL.

.... So, sounds like a good deal for the O's. They get Burnett, a reliever and don't lose much if any offense. The D-Rays actually improve (I think ) with Ponson. And the Marlins get some offense that they desperately needed along with pitching. It's odd when a 3 way trade actually looks like it's helping all three teams.

[riverside sluggers]

Sydney Ponson is in the middle of vetoing the trade. in his contract there is a clause of 10 teams listed that he can veto a trade to, Tampa Bay being one of them.

[schillingouttheks]

Just curious, what are the remaining 9 teams?

[riverside sluggers]

im not sure of the other 9 remaining teams, but that was stated as a fact on the NESN pre-game report yesterday

[bigpapi349]

the boston herald says the orioles and marlins have completed the trade. the globe says the orioles arnt close and the red sox are still very much alive to get burnett and romero.