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Against the sage advice of about 90% of you, the optimist in me came back, I don’t know why or how, I just thought when everything lined up JH would spend and go all in on winning another World Series. when I found out about us missing Alonso and the way we did. I just absolutely snapped, Yesterday was a rough day……. I’m sorry if my swear words offended anybody. Breslow and JH are who we thought they were….

We have been over this already… but I watched every single inning of every single game Aug-Oct. if you really want to argue we don’t need help offensively, I don’t know what else to say other than agree to disagree with a lot of us on here.

Yeah that’s enough for 8-10th in MLB……… That’s level of budget we are working with, fun fact we’ve never won WS with a payroll below 4th. Fact hardly ever anyone does. Even when the Rangers won they juiced the payroll. So when the Red Sox flip flop with Cubs for 3rd or 4th in payroll every year, yet gets out spent by teams with 100M+ less in revenue. What are we doing? I guess I’m sad because I’d convinced myself that when the time was right. “We are the Boston Red Sox, we don’t have resource issues” would kick in. This offseason is proof JH has moved on from winning World Series.

I think you can trade Bello, Mayer, and Harrison/Witherspoon for him, and I think 100% you should do it. IF you actually plan on competing in AL East in 2026. All these prospects ya’ll and Beta Breslow love so much better be damn good.

Why? What on gods green earth makes you think Mayer will sniff the level of Marte?

I think a lot of people’s frustration comes down to this: there were two really straightforward ways to make this team legitimately scary, really fast. 1. was Pete Alonso — an absolutely perfect fit for our offense and our ballpark. You couldn’t draw up a better match on paper. And to find out we lost him not because he went back to his old team, but because he signed with a division rival for $31 million a year… that’s brutal. He just had an all-time season and only just turned 31. 2. IS Ketel Marte. We have extra outfielders. We have a surplus of starting pitching — ten guys who can realistically start — and a few strong up-and-coming prospects. The pieces are there. This is a move that feels both obvious and entirely within reach. So what’s the hold up? These two upgrades felt so clear, so logical, and honestly, exactly like the type of moves JH would’ve made without hesitation ten years ago. Imagine this lineup with Marte and Alonso in it? At that point, you could even go to Bregman and say, “Look, let’s do a one-year, $40M deal,” and actually have the negotiating leverage to make that conversation work. But now? If we lose Bregman, this turns into a full-on mess. There is no chance this scared-to-spend ownership group suddenly steps up and commits 7 years, $210M to Bo Bichette. That’s just not who they are right now.And that’s the problem — we had a clear, simple path to building a contender, and now everything hinges on unlikely scenarios because we didn’t execute the obvious ones.

What’s funny is we did all this heavy lifting for years to set up THE window. We could of had Devers, Bregman lined up, Roman Anthony ascending, Crochet killing it, the whole core forming… then we traded pieces away, because we couldn’t manage egos, but with the promise that we’d “re-deploy the money.” That was crap We were “going to be active at the deadline.” Bull Crap “We’ll add a middle-of-the-order bat with real pop.” Bull Crap again. It feels like I’m watching what should’ve been the final season of Game of Thrones — years of setup, everything pointing toward a legendary finale, everything falling into place — and instead we’re out here burning the city down…….. WHY? because our analytics says we can’t go 5 years on a guy who plays 162 every year hits 35-40 HR’s and basically guarantees 100+ RBI’s every year.

Breslow also promised to be aggressive at trade deadline, he also promised to fix the pop in the middle of the lineup. Dude is a chronic cuckold.

definitely not better, We can’t expect Crochet to be THAT dominant again, bullpen most likely regresses some. And our young players get better, but our older players might regress. Oh and NOTHING HAPPENS IN A VACUUM: BlueJays: improved pitching, might get Bichette or Tucker back. Went to WS better than us. yankees: get Cole back. Probably will sign Bellinger back. TBD but they handled us last year so we are not better right now. orioles: Added 70+ HR’s probably the deepest 1-9 in league….. and have young pieces/ money to still add. sweet deal Breslow/JH.

He preferred Boston — everyone does — just not for two years and millions less. We absolutely botched this. Mets and Alonso were never reuniting. This was ours to lose… and we lost it. I’m honestly speechless. We’re running the Boston Marlins right now — an ownership group trying to moneyball an AL pennant while hoarding the third-most revenue in baseball. It’s pathetic. And if they’re really “losing money,” then open the books. Show us. They won’t — They’re posting paper losses from bonus depreciation while banking real cash, $100M+ every single year.

Dude what in the F**k? How do we get out of AL East? If BJ’s bring back Bo or get a Tucker we are looking at 4th place in AL East…….. Breslow is such a p word.

Breslow is such a bitch

Was just in car listening to MLB Network Radio. They were saying the Red Sox have serious trepidation about going more than 3 or 4 years on Alonso. I swear if we lose him, and it’s over year 5 or 6. I’m gonna lose my sh*t. He fits so perfectly.

I actually think 1B and 3B are the easiest positions to fill, and getting Marte gives you a guaranteed middle-of-the-order bat without being held hostage by Scott Boras for the next two months. That alone shifts the entire offseason dynamic in our favor. To me, this comes down to three real scenarios: 1. Marte gets traded elsewhere: This puts massive pressure on us to land both Bregman and another power bat. That market is extremely thin, and we’d be negotiating from desperation. Worst-case scenario for Breslow. 2. We get the Marte deal done: It will hurt — no doubt — but once it’s done, we can focus on one of the two remaining Boras hitters, and I think the most realistic is Bregman. Then we’d have total flexibility to decide how to address 1B and SP2 without overpaying out of fear. 3. We get Marte and somehow pull off Alonso: Even if Alonso comes (which I still think is a 98% chance he stays with the Mets), you can start Romy at 3B or make a small trade for someone like Bohm, Moncada, or even Suárez. There are plenty of short-term 3B options that would work behind that kind of lineup punch. But because Alonso is almost certainly going back to New York, the realistic path is: Sceanario 2: Marte → Bregman → piece together 1B/SP2 however you want. And honestly, without the Marte move, I’m worried for Breslow. He’s conservative by nature, and I don’t think he can outmaneuver Boras in a thin market. We could very easily end up backed into a corner and walk away with nothing meaningful. Marte gives us control of the offseason instead of reacting to everyone else’s moves.

Admittedly, I’m not as bullish on Mayer as others. Between the injury history and what we saw from him last year, I just don’t see the “future star” juice. I could absolutely be wrong — the talent is there — but I’m not convinced he becomes a true impact guy. To actually get the Marte deal done, I assume the Diamondbacks will insist on something like Mayer + Tolle or Mayer + Early. And honestly, that tells you how bullish I am on Ketel Marte. He’s a legit difference-maker and exactly the type of player who pushes the Red Sox over the top.

I read that Baltimore offered Schwarber 5 years, $150M, and honestly, now that Schwarber and Díaz are off the table for the Mets, that cuts the odds of Pete leaving the Mets in half. IMO there’s just no scenario where New York lets both Pete Alonso and Edwin Díaz walk. Mets fans would lose their minds. Pete is almost certainly a Met for life. If I’m Boston, I’m getting the Marte trade done immediately, then opening negotiations with Bo, Bregman, and Pete. Going in I NOW fully believe Pete is probably headed back to the Mets no matter what. From there, take whichever deal gives you the best value proposition — but you must land one of those three. No exceptions.

My short answers is we are the F**king Boston Red Sox we should ALWAYS be in the Window….. longer answer…….. I’ll answer this question in the winter of 2029…. We could have 32 teams by then, hard salary caps etc. Injuries, Devers type meltdowns…….. let’s get through 2026-2027 before we worry about 2030. I get your point though, RS have some great pieces that could be around for a long time….

Put yourself in CB’s shoes AZ says “I want Bello, Early, and Campbell” would you pull the trigger? I’m trying to gauge how bad you want Marte cuz I think it’s gonna hurt like that.

Aside from the positional alignment argument… (Too many starting pitchers) I’m just not that confident in all the hype around our prospects. We’ve all seen this movie before — every year there’s a “next ________,” right up until they aren’t. Yeah, we hit big on RA19…. But the verdict is still totally out on Mayer, K. Campbell (remember what we all thought of him on April 15?? compared to now?), Tolle, Early, Witherspoon, Perales, Sandlin… the list goes on. High level MLB talent? absolutely — but none of it is guaranteed. And even if some of these guys do become real players, Ketel Marte gives you a massive, proven boost over the next 3 seasons. That’s the difference between potential down the road and actual production right now. If we’re serious about maximizing this current window, Marte moves the needle more than a handful of “maybes.”

The only reason I want Duran traded instead of Abreu is the ~$8M it saves. That’s it. And the fact we’re even talking about nickel-and-diming like this tells you everything — we’re fully in the “budget team” era now. It’s wild: ownership disappears, management goes silent, and then their media echo chamber tries to convince us they just “don’t have the money”. COME ON!! Red Sox fans aren’t begging the team to keep pace with the Yankees or Dodgers. Ownership has successfully lowered our expectations away from that. We’re literally just saying: don’t get outspent by the Mets, Phillies, AND Blue Jays. When your revenue is firmly top 3–4 in MLB, and 100m + more than Mets, Phils, and BJ’s………. RS fans expecting top-5 spending isn’t greedy — it’s basic. That’s the standard this franchise HAS, Red Sox fans are everywhere. There’s a reason that when the Sox roll into a visiting ballpark, it can feel like a home game — the brand is that powerful, that deep, that generational. A franchise with this reach, this history, and this revenue shouldn’t be acting like it’s scraping coins out of the couch cushions. The brand is elite — now it needs ownership to act like it once again. Spending up to the next tax threshold could literally be the difference between a nice season and a legit World Series run. And the front office knows exactly how much revenue a deep October run generates — it pays for itself ten times over. The last few years, whatever… we weren’t that close, so the penny-pinching didn’t sting as much. But this year? This year we’re actually close. This is the window where a real organization pushes in, not pulls back. If Sox fall short because they were afraid to cross tax line, that’s on JH — not the roster, not the coaches, not the Front office.

Did you watch the playoff series? 0 RBI’s ZERO out of 3 OF and 1b……. 3 hits out of 42 AB out of Rafaela, Abreu, Lowe, Romy and Duran just need some home run threats SOMEWHERE. Too hard to score striking out like we did, this offense needs a power boost.

One of Red Sox biggest advantages is that Mets plan to DH Soto eventually. Can Soto hang on 3-4 years out there in RF? I think Mets will push hard for PA on a 3-4 yr deal…. Offering a 5 to 6 year deal is our biggest positive. We have to get pete Alonso from my vantage point he just checks the most boxes.

Yikes….. Okamoto, Polanco, Story, Mayer, Anthony, Rafaela, Abreu, W/ Romy/ Yoshida @DH……. Bottom 10 offense with high strikeout rates here we come!

Outside of Bello our young arms are more part of the “win soon” category. K Marte to Brewers for Peralta / or K Marte to Royals for Ragans is more of a “win now”. Again I hope Olney is wrong, because he is a great fit in Boston. Just passing along what Olney said.

Per Olney DBacks are in “win now” not “win soon” if they are in win now, and want pitching in return I think Royals and Brewers have massive advantage on Marte.