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I don’t watch nowhere near the amount of baseball like I used to, because to me the game is not as good. Games are to long, and slow paced, the over use of the shift, openers for starting pitchers, and starting pitchers that can’t face a batter for a third time through the order liking taking Snell out of the WS a few years ago, because they were afraid of what might happen to me is not good baseball. I’ve said before I liked the way the game was played in the 60’s. DH, or no DH I don’t care, but to only have it in one league all these years to me also is mind boggling. I still watch the Red Sox just don’t watch every game, but keep up with being a box score junkie. Give me an old Sporting News with all the box scores, and I’d read it for hours.I don’t know how much analytics has to do with the change of the game, but it definitely has. If the pitch clock, and banning the shift is put in I will definitely watch more.
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Or on this message board for that matter.
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Moon I’m not trying to change your opinion, and you are not in the minority on here. Yes the shift has always been part of the game, but not to the extent it is now, and that’s the problem, and not the shift itself. When I saw that chart on TV that applying the shift had gone up over 50,000 times a year in a ten year period I had no idea. Why did that happen? Analytics? My opinions have been in the minority more times than probably anybody since I’ve been on here, and I’m totally fine with that, and like I’ve said many times an opinion is just that, and it doesn’t mean anybody is right, and anybody is wrong. I also said before that I know the differences between opinions, and fact, and I’m always up to a debate.
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Why do you think MLB is talking about banning the shift? My view is because of all the bad feedback against it. I applaud your fierce defense of keeping the shift, but it looks like the feedback against the shift will win out.
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Infielders guarding the lines, or cheating up the middle is a defensive strategy yes just like the shift, but to me is not even close as what the shift is. Now if you take the 3B over to guard the 1B line, or the 1B over to guard the 3B line that would be like the shift. The fact that the shift went up over 50,000 times in a 10 year period to me is just an results driven change in the analytics revolution , and went way over the top in doing it. Obviously the powers at MLB have heard feedback from fans like me, and I applaud them for making the change. Being against the change is a lot more on here than all the other venues I visit, and there is nothing wrong with that, but like I said MLB must get enough feedback not liking the shift to make the change.
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I enjoy watching minor league, or college baseball. It’s a lot cheaper too. Yes it’s a different game, but it’s still baseball.
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I keep making the point that there are many different opinions out there in Red Sox Nation, because there are, and no other reason, and no I know the difference between opinions, and facts. I’ve even agreed with some of your opinions. Yes it was a lying clown who makes needless changes that’s beyond stupid like the shift would be. Once again needless to you, but not to others.
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Do you realize there is a whole big world out there that doesn’t agree with your opinion on the shift? Now I don’t think to much of Manfred myself, but I’m not going to call him a stupid clown.
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What might seem like a stupid clown, and a needless change to you does not mean it is so, and many others see it a different way. I know banning the shift on here is not the favorable position, but on other forums, and sites it is. I know it is hard to imagine, but like I said more than once that the opinions on here are just a very small sample of what’s thought out there in Red Sox Nation, or the Sports World in general. I think banning the shift, and a pitch clock are much needed changes, and obviously the powers at MLB think so as well. Bye Bye Felicia.
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I’m not disagreeing on asterisk, but how would you judge what would have happened with the shift. We can figure out what Ted would have hit without counting the Sac Fly as a time AB.
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A lying clown? Nice, but he just changes the question, before you think you now the answers.
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I wasn’t saying it, but just asking it. I’m fine with asterisk, and there are many different instances I have mentioned. You was the one who brought up asterisk in the first place.
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Well said, and 100% agree. Emphasize on owners, and players both.
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So it has to be a rule change to rate an asterisk? Hank Aaron had 3000+ more at bats when he beat the Babes HR record. Do you think that should rate an asterisk? Same with Pete Rose breaking Ty Cobbs hits record with many more AB’s. Asterisk could be used many ways, and many times over.
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Lots of things, and changes to any game makes a difference in stats.
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Just asking if you thought about it, or just made a comment. Kind of like your idea of putting Major league teams back in the minors if they don’t win enough. Once again not criticizing, but just asking. The good news if you still want to see a short fielder on D you can always watch slow pitch softball. Bye Bye Felicia.
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Did they put an asterisk next to anyone who played counting a Sac Fly as a time at bat? Did they put an asterisk next to stats of players who took special vitamins, and set HR records? Did they put an asterisk next to stats when there were more games added to the schedule? I could go on, and on. Did you think about his, or are you just throwing out comments. I’m not criticizing, or anything, but just asking.
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Stupid? Your entitled to that opinion, but I disagree, and I’m entitled to that opinion. MLB may be messing up the Lockout/Strike, but it sounds like they are trying to make the game better again, and a pitch clock, and banning the shift are two things that will head in that direction. Can’t wait.
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It doesn’t bother you, and lots agree with you, but some like me it bothers, and there are lots like me also just not on here. Bottom line Bye Bye Felicia.
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Yes the shift has been around since the 20’s even before Ted, but when you increase the shifts in MLB by 50,000 in a ten year period, because of todays game of analytics has not made the game better. Yes batters could go the other way, starters could go longer, games could be shorter, and I could go on, and on. One opinion is no better than the other, but it looks like the shift is going bye bye.
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Another analytics detriment to the game.
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I said if we weren’t having this discussion I wouldn’t even think about it. Once again if we weren’t having this discussion I wouldn’t even think about it, but we were having this discussion, so I was thinking about it. I didn’t say you said any discussion on here was life important. Those were my words,my opinion, and I answered my own question. What’s weird is you telling me to think about the subject we are discussing, and not just make comments, and saying that’s not criticism.
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The opinions on here are no big deal one way, or the other, and that is what they are is just opinions, so what I think, or don’t think shouldn’t matter to you one way, or the other. I don’t give my opinion on here for you to agree, or disagree, and I don’t tell you how to think, or not think. Where does it say I wasn’t thinking about the discussion subject? I said if we wasn’t having this discussion I wouldn’t be thinking about it, so I didn’t say I wasn’t thinking about, so I wasn’t doing anything less than you, and just making comments. You tell me telling me to think about a topic, and just not make comments about something isn’t criticism just like you said one time that you disagreeing with Cora didn’t mean he was wrong, and yes it was, and yes it is now. You really think that discussions on here are so life important that you have to study like taking an important test. I got a News Flash. It isn’t.
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If we weren’t having these discussions I wouldn’t even think of how much money the owners take in compared to the players just like i don’t think of how much money the big colleges make off the players while they are in school. I don’t care what profession somebody is in I wouldn’t have sympathy for them if they were making $500K, and the company was making millions, so I guess I don’t look at it like the owners making money off the players even though they are.
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Moon I know you know my point, and we just disagree. I’m not against players making more money, and I have said there should be a payroll floor on what each team at least have to spend up to, which should give more players more money unless you load up on $30M+ contracts. I also don’t disagree that the owners try, and squeeze every last cent they can, and pay the players as little as possible, but because they are the owners they can try, and do do that.