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I ain't no quitter!!!!

LOL it doesn't get me in a dither. You don't care about the facts, but then stubbornly dig your feet in on a topic that the facts go against. Then openly admit you don't care about the facts. I'm more just trying to understand this thought processes. It's pretty much saying "hey Im' probably wrong, but I don't care I'm going to argue against you anyways" Facts aren't something you "care" about that just are. If you have a discussion with someone and go against the facts it's going to cause friction. I dont' care if you're talking about building a road, a baseball team, or solving a mathematical equation. It's really not that serious, It's just an interesting take I've never seen anyone ever take before. I'm not bothered by it, in fact I think you're often spot on in here. I'm just a curious person and your position on this matter is very perplexing. I mean no insult.

I have zero doubt in my mind, every person who comments in here have a very high level of love for the Boston Red Sox. with the obvious caveats aside.

The streets? ok, this isn't a movie this is real life and there are facts. You can drop the $40M per now. This is not a complicated topic talking about the merits of using WAR, we are talking about a guys salary. He either is, or is not making $40 million per. No need to try and make in ambiguous. It's ok, there's no need to feel embarrassed or ashamed. The rest of us said 40 million too until we learned better. We are all in the same boat.

Lets do a trivia question. I will mail a 12 pack of beer (of your choosing) to the winner. What is Alex Bregmans 2025 Gross pay?

As a platoon 4th outfielder, how much better do you expect to do? I mean, an upgrade would be fine, but you'd have to cut Refsnyder I suppose.

That's a very lengthy way of saying, I'm just not interested in understanding something. How can you have strong convictions about something you admittedly don't even care to understand. Like, for a fact WE KNOW Bregman will not physically be paid $40 million this year, nothing close to it, and we know the LT hit is $31.7 million? Like, what's the hang up on dropping that number? Sticking your head in the sand, knowingly and admittedly doesn't change facts. And that's fine.....but why continue to die on the same hill you admit to not knowing something about nor care to take the time to understand it?

No faith in Refsnyder?

I don't really know who specifically is against it but I know the type. Unless they sign a specific player, who is always very good, and only at a specific price that said player would never sign, they will be unhappy. For example. If the Sox signed Soto to $770 million dollars it would be too much If the Sox signed Corbin Burnes to $215 million dollars it would be too much If the Sox signed Blake Snell to $187 million dollars it would be too much If the Sox signed Max Fried to $223 million dollars it would be too much If the Sox signed William Adames for $187 million dollars it would be too much. It's funny......who decides what is too much and not too much? 30 million is too much for a player but 20 million wouldn't be according to whom? Then they turn around and don't want to argue the details, like WAR, Defense, stats, potential, the Luxury Tax etc. etc. I think some people just like to complain. Lets hope they have less to complain about this year.

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't really see anyone in here against the deal? I do know there are Red Sox fans who do not like it.

The $40 million dollar figure is the "word out on the street" because that was the first number reported. It doesn't really represent what he's actually being paid this year. I can forgive people for not caring about the CBT, but we all love the Sox and that's why we are here to talk about them. We bring up the CBT because it matters, and while we are NOT in JH head we know precisely how these actions will affect the RED SOX according to the CBT. By talking about the CBT We know how much more they will pay in tax. We know how much they have to spend to lose draft picks. These things are known. And whether or not you or anyone wants to admit that bringing up the CBT is relevant we all share are opinions on what the Sox should do, or are doing. We've all made comments about John Henry be being cheap, wanting, or not wanting to do something. We've all assumed to be in John Henrys head a time or two. You might not care about it, but the CBT is very relevant and it's something I don't think we can ignore if we want to have a spirited, intellectual debate about the Red Sox. It's too large to ignore.

I bet Bregman doesn't put up more HR's than O'Neil did last year. But I'd also be willing to bet O'Neil doesn't either

We are talking about what the team is paying people. Contracts. Didn't mean to double post. My internet sux

We are talking about what the team is paying people.

I think reporting the principal value and not the NPV is very misleading, although talking about such things may be boring to most fans. Still, I think most people would understand it a lot better if it happened to them. Imagine your boss coming up to you and saying instead of paying you your $100,000 salary that you're going to get $40,000 this year and $60,000 ten years from now. Everyone understands that's a pay cut. Everyone. Granted when the story broke there was no mention of deferred money so we just didn't know. And we still don't know what the exact cash flows look like, but it is being reported that the AAV of the contract is 31.7 Anyone who understands how the math of TVM works can decipher without the details that SIGNIFICANT cash is deferred in this deal, meaning Bregman is going to be physically paid MUCH less than $40 million this year. Probably somewhere around $20 million with those AAV. Maybe even less. To each their own, but if you're getting paid $18 million dollars this year, and then $5 million ten years from now. I don't not find it accurate to say you're getting paid $40 million dollars this year. I don't combine my net income from 8 years and go off and tell girls I get paid over a million dollars a year.

I think people may care that John Henry has apparently at least grown his balls back. Or at least one ball, if he can extend a few guys I'll give him credit for full growth of both balls.

False, the most the Sox ever paid Mookie was $20 million dollars back in 2019.

Yes $40 is the number being reported. For luxury tax purposes the 30 million number is the one that really matters. The reality is we have no ideal what he's actually being paid cash wise. It could be $19 million dollars and starting in several years he could be getting a few million a year for a determined period of time. The timing matters. $5 million dollars ten years from now is not $5 million today. What's being reported is the NPV of the contract, I think that's the best we can go off of for now is $30.9 million. He will be physically getting paid less money than $30 million dollars in 2025.

EH, now more than ever it's the LT number that matters. So I'd say he's more like the 30.9 million dollar man. In the spirit of the conversation I'll ask when is the last time the Red Sox had a $30M man? I think the answer may be the same.

While I still think there's a small chance for another bullpen arm to be added (Robertson)? I think the roster is pretty much set. Sure, there will be some battles in camp and an odd man out of two but I'm fairly certain our 26 man roster is now in this organization. They will be playing games in a week.

Yes, I'm sure Alex Bregmans offensive production is reliant upon banging trash cans. 🙄 You guys do realize we have like......three Alex Bregman threads going???

Do we believe everything they say? alternatively, if they wanted to move Yoshida or at least not cause drama would they openly say they don't have confidence in him playing the field? If Campbell and Anthony look ready, do you block one of those guys so Masa can play LF? I don't think that would happen at this point. I'm not saying he wont' play any LF this year, but his days of starting in LF are over, in Boston at least.

He also gives a guy who can stay on the field and be a starter. Real leadership in the clubhouse.

IDK, but we most certainly are not 30 million under, also I doubt COTS or anyone has the correct number yet because no one knows what is deferred so the luxury tax payroll cost is impossible to predict at this point. Although it's almost certainly somewhere around 35 million give or take. I heard $30 is being reported but I don't know if I believe that.

Snell, or someone else, anyone else better than Buehler. I'm actually really high on Buehler, but pitchers of his caliber with less injury risk this year were available but for more $$$. If you're taking lessons from the Dodgers I assume $$$ is less of an issue.