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Agree 100% on both accounts

Ok but I wasn't bringin up Joe Ryan or a #2 here, you are the one who responded with "you're not getting a #2 for Jarren Duran" It just kind of felt like you were suggesting that I was specifically saying we would get him for that. That's how it sounded. I'm just saying overall, that Duran is a likely trade candidate and that he has value.

Ok, but in the sake of brevity if the factor of something is by far and large A and not B I'm going to say A. You said I'm thinking like a big market team well I'd say you're thinking more about guys under contract. the difference between 1-3-7 million is miniscule compared to a guy making 15-25 million. I'm not trying to discount it, but I just don't see his salary from last year to this year being a very large factor at all in his value. Like a said....about maybe 10% of his value has decreased this year because a team will have to pay an extra 3-4 million for him.

9% is still 9%. I'm not writting a whole book, theres' nothing outrageous about saying the drop in Durans value to this year is mostly tied into having one less year of team control. 9% 9%? wouldn't teams trading for MORE years like Milwaukee or Cleveland get to those pay raises anyways!!!!!

which mine as well be a long time ago. That was the deadline, this is 6 months later with different players, control, and needs involved and I had never brought up the name Joe Ryan. Clearly Joe Ryan is A GUY you could trade for along with thousands of other mlb players. It's just the way you said it made it sound like I've been beating the trade Duran for Joe Ryan drums. I have not been.

Yes, he made about 3 million more, for a 4 WAR+ player that's a fraction of the value lost by one whole year of team control. Well, if $7.5-8,0 Million gets you one WAR then we're talking about 9% of the total depreciation of his value

Ok but that was a long time ago, I figured we were just talking about trading A outfielder overall. I wasn't specifically saying for Joe Ryan or even a pitcher. BTV Accepts Jarren Duran for Jackson Ferris, Emil Morales, Mike Sirota with the dodgers. THat's baseballs 100th, 98th, and 64th ranked prospect in baseball according to pipeline. 3 top 100 guys. I'm in no way shape or form suggesting we make that trade, or that either side would accept, but rather researching the approximate value Duran would receive in a trade. He certainly is going to get you 1-2 top 100 prospects plus. Those prospects could be used to replenish the system, or they could be used as part of a larger trade for a starting 2B (Marte?) or packaged up with other assets for a #1 pitcher to pair with Crochet. Or saved to used as assets at the deadline. And again, I'll reiterate that it does not have to be Duran, but it's more likley than not the Sox do trade an outfielder. I'd say the liklihood of outfielders being traded rank as follows. Duran/Rafaela/Abreu/Cambell/Yoshida/Anthony

According to BTV, which is a very imperfect source of information. Duran, Rafaela, and Abrue are the Sox 4th, 5th, and 7th most valuable trade chips.

What do you mean? If I could guess are we talking about trading for an ACE? if so I'd agree. Duran alone doesn't get you one but Duran/Tolle/Arias gets a team listening.

I think this pretty much gurantees Casas starts the year in WOO. There was speculation about him being ready by opening day and even if he was ready with all the time he's missed some time in WOO was warranted. That time is going to end up gifting the Red Sox an extra year of team control for Casas. If he spends 1/2 or most the year down in WOO and ends up figuiring it out eventually, it will have paid for itself to start him there.

a #2? who said anything about a #2? I'd say the infield is much more of a concern right now but yes a prospect haul might make the most sense. For various reasons.

I don't disagree his value was higher last year, but most of that is due to the fact he had one whole extra year of team control.

Geeze, you say one word and people freak out. Haul is subjective; what is a haul? a top 25 prospect? 2 top 50 prosects? 3 top 100 prospects? or is it amorphous and vary in comparision to the value of the player being traded???? Regardless of how YOU want to define it my position is the Sox can get good value back in return for their outfielders. Trade prices are high, teams are in need of offense, and they have young cost controlled assets.

Well the term "haul" is subjective I was talking in the aggregate of their outfield talent obviously the return is going to vary by player. I wouldn't under estimate how much teams might be willing to pay for Rafaela or Duran, I read that report too and that was a long time ago. There's been a lot of silence on this front but that doesn't mean conversations haven't been happening behind the scenes. If they make a move, which I'd say is 60-70% likely they trade a starting outfielder. It's going to be very interesting to see what they get in return or what was available.

Add: If I was a betting man, I would bet the opposite here, because we've seen the market for position players has been sky high this year and the Red Sox have been said to value Duran very highly. They could be waiting to see who losses out on the Kyle Tucker sweepstakes, because one of those teams might up their offer when that happens. Sox should get a haul for anyone of their outfielders.

But we didn't have Roman Anthony coming into the mix last year. You have one more starter in the outfield so 2026 is a little different.

Not specifically Sox related but does anyone else find it odd that there has seemingly been ZERO reporting on this years top free agent Kyle Tucker????

That 2% spread over 4 years has a cumulative effect. If the Sox acted like that 5 years ago the 2026 roster would be 10-15% better today. That could be the difference between a 84-86 win team vs. an 90-92 win team. This problem becomes much more solvable if John Henry would just open up his wallet every once in a blue moon. It would be the easiest thing to just go out sign Bichette, get his prime years and be done with it.

Cora has recently said Abreu has graduated from platoon status. Whether they actually are confident giving him more at bats vs. LHP or the FO has told him someone is getting traded and he will start we do not know. But we do know is we have 4 starting outfielders for 3 positions. The Sox are most likely going to trade one of those guys. Whatever argument anyone can come up with to why a guy should not be traded, is also the argument for why they should get a better return for them.

First off, let me reiterate the comment "one of those guys" to which you specifically seem to defend the ideal of trading Rafaela "ok so trade Duran then" lol. It's not like what I'm saying is far fetched, it has been suggested and predicted by just about every single pundit out there that the Sox will trade from their outfield depth. Right now, I'd say it would make more sense to trade from your surplus to plug up a hole E.G. 3B or 2B. but if they went out and signed one of those guys a trade still makes sense for assets. You have a clear defined spot for Yoshida on your roster who isn't prototypical or elite but he is a good hitter at DH. I also disagree that keeping farm assets and restocking the farm isn't in the best interest of being in a "championship window" Teams in championship windows trade for elite assets at the deadline, something you won't be able to do with a depleted farm and would certainly have an easier time doing over your competition with a deeper farm. What if Crochet goes down, or Anthony, or Story or whoever? It's not like high end prospects are just trophy's you put on the wall to show your friend how cool your prospects are. They're used to trade for MLB pieces and provide depth when guys get hurt.

You’re right they did. I’d feel very uncomfortable with anything over 5 years with him

Did he even have a 6 year offer last year? and he's one year older

I do not believe the Sox are going to get two of Marte/Bregman/Bichette. They're only getting one of those guys and I think Bregman is currently the favored odds.

At this time of year, there's a thousand different "reports" every media body on earth has their guys writing columns with every mixture of rumor, suggestion and hearsay. But yeah, I've also mainly heard they're looking for pitching.

Yup, I do think they want Mayer too. I don't remember the package but it was reported that they were looking for Mayer/Tolle and I think a lot of people would just be willing to give AZ whatever they would ask for.