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The stats on Dalbec struggling with velocity concern me. Makes sense that he can get his stats up over a 162 game season but not surprising he struggled in the playoffs when teams are going to just throw velocity at you all day. He's fine, I like him, and with Casas hopefully ready sometime between mid 2022 to early 2023 he's fine to start 2022 at 1B. He might improve his stock there, and if he regresses then hopefully we'll have signed Schwarber and we can plug him there until 2023 when he can DH and take over for JDM.

Now the Red Sox should get approximately the 75th pick in next years draft. All because they made E-Rod a 1-year offer that he was bound to refuse. It was the logical decision all along.

Another reason why I should read forward more before posting. You hit the nail on the head, and with more brevity than I.

First off 3-5 innings for 30 starts is an average of 120 innings. While the trend is there (starting pitchers not going as long) that’s far from realistic expectations. No manager is happy with 3-4 innings. That’s 5th 6th starter territory. Now, in terms of going after “non crap shoot” bullpen arms. Well, most bullpen arms are a crapshoot. Even high end bullpen arms can be a crapshoot outside a couple years of dominance. Oh well, we all (well most of us) saw the EROD QO coming. Some didn’t like it because they thought he’d accept it, he is not accepting it. Sox will get a team friendly extension or a draft pick. Winning!!!

EROD been getting a QO

Whatever the odds are that a guy like Gilberto gets picked in the rule 5, the odds that he gets sent back to the Sox is much higher.

I remember Josh Hamilton being a rule 5 pick. Imagine losing an MVP candidate and getting nothing in return.

I'm too lazy, but I'm certain the rules had be different for the rule 5 draft back then. That or Clemente was drafted when he was 14 lol.

Or the Sox can make 50K when the player is returned to them.

I doubt that happens with position players, pitchers I can see.

Yes, and usually with guys that are in the high minors, and when they're a little lower they're pitchers. If you're a pitcher you can be stashed in the back of the bullpen and still develop your pitches during bullpen sessions. A hitter needs to face live pitching in live games and a progressively increasing difficulty to develop. You will never get that sitting on the bench, and if you're jumping from Low-A to the majors you're likely going to get screwed up. Teams just don't do that with guys.

If Jimenez was that type of player he’d be higher up in the organization. I think it would be interesting to see how many low players have been plucked in rule5. I’m sure there’s some pitchers

I call any situation where you have to DFA talent that might help you MLB ball club one day a crunch.

If he had a .900 OPS in low A last year he would still not be protected. Heck if he had a 1.000 OPS he wouldn't be. He was 20, in low A, extremely raw, and a position player. Position players are not pitchers, they need to play and face pitchers to develop and no team is going to burn a roster spot on a guy who is lightyears away from the big leagues.

How is he going to stay on a big-league club for a whole year? he'd be making the jump from low A. An .873 OPS in Low A is nice, but that doesn't scream promote him past 3 levels to the big leagues and plug him in the lineup. That would be pretty unprecedented.

A team 2 games shy of a world series is going to tweak their roster, they're going to sign free agents so there will be a roster crunch.

My problem with this statement is how do you know when someone's peak value is? your logic is 100% sound. But doesn't peak mean that value will go down? What information could you have about a guy that he's about to deteriorate that other teams would not have? aside from hiding medicals. We can guess, and sell prospects when their value is high, but to assume peak value would be to guess they're going to regress. If we did that with guys like Mookie, Bogaerts, Vazuez etc. The return would have been a fraction of the value they have provided for the Sox over the years. I think it's all about balance, the purpose of the farm system is to supplement the big club, and sometimes that means holding your chips and other times it means trading them away. I don't necessarily believe that trading a guy away means you believe you're trading him at peak value either (not saying you said that just saying it for conversational purposes). I think G.M.s sometimes trade away guys that they're legitimately sad to see leave their system but they traded from a position of strength for a team need. With that in mind, there is a hypothetical scenario where you trade one of and keep the other of Dalbec/Casas.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Ward, it doesn't help being a pitcher. It's a lot easier to stash an A ball pitcher in the back of a big league pen than it's to stash an A ball hitter on your bench. You can still develop a pitcher in the back of your pen, the hitter riding the bench will either stagnate by sitting or take a step back struggling worse than Downs did in AAA if he plays. I wouldn't worry about someone taking Gilberto.

Whoever has the money, that’s who.

It's amazing how down things seem right now because the Sox are only a game away from elimination, they're also only two away from a world series. been a great season, everyday hoping for one more game at this point.

If people love umpires so much they can just stand out there to look pretty. Let the game be called right. I want to see guys swing, run, dive, pitch throw.....I could care less about a man in a black vest pointing his finger.

We also don't need to throw 30 million dollars per annum contracts at players who are playing the position our best players/top prospects play at. Unless of course Devers or Casas is headling a package for a true TOTRS to pair with Sale, then it makes sense.

Agree. There's a huge difference between automating the officiating vs the actual play. I'll never understand what point people think they're making with such ridiculous comments. If anything, taking human error out of the game call makes the game 100% honest. To me, that's more fun. Seriously, when has anyone asked for an umpires jersey for christmas, or for their autograph? people just hear change and they get all hot and bothered.

Pablo was also known as a clutch playoff hitter too, not that I was ever a fan of his deal.

Before we signed Price, the narrative in Boston was that the Sox would no longer sign long term mega deals. With the 2013 world series still fresh in everyone's mind the philosophy was mid-term, mid-range talent. The Sox obviously reversed course when they signed Price (which is something I expected). Now, here's my point. If the Sox made that Pivot just one year earlier, and decided to go all in on the top pitcher in the market we would have had Max Scherzer. That's the risk you take when paying guys into their 30's for what they did in their 20's. You could be paying a future HOFer who will be just as good if not better, or you could be paying a guy who is about the take a step back in his value.