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SUre, past is all we got. But the past also tells us that every single baseball player eventually starts going downhill. The wall is undefeated. Is Devers there? probably not yet.

Point is, it's not like he moved because he couldn't play SS.

Speculation, I said "for all we know" because you don't know how he would be doing here.

Now that's an entirely different argumen. You also heard a lot of people, including me, saying that the Sox needed offense and they added very little and lost even more. If the Sox signed a big bat like Schwarber or Alonso and had other people hitting in the lineup no one would care about Mayer, heck maybe he'd even be doing better without so much pressure on him. Expecting your rookies to carry the team is ridiculous, even if they end up blossoming into All Stars.

He's 23 years old with not even 300 at bats.

How do you or anyone know that for a fact? For all we know he could be putting up much worse numbers right now.

It's a small sample size, but his stats are even worse on the road than they are in SF this year. I don't disagree, but I do wonder if we are possibly seeing the very beginning stages of a Devers decline. Only time will tell.

Yes because his home runs are way down. His slugging% is well below his career average and he's sporting a .711 OPS right now Heck Connor Wong has a .713 OPS He's fine at 1B, but he's also far from a gold glove there. The Sox should not miss Devers at all right now, maybe miss who he was when he was here but not who has become.

Arizona has Perdomo and Marte at SS/2B who each were arguably the best SS and best 2B in the NL last year. Lawlar didn't move to the outfield because he couldn't play SS.

Chapman is in the last year of of his contract. Yes, we have an option on his contact but it's mutual and mutual options are picked up by both sides 6.7% of the time the past couple decades. He's effectively a 39 year free agent who will actually return you an arm and a leg right now. You are in last place and have almost no chance of winning a world series. NOT trading Chapman and bringing in something of high value for him would be roster maplractice.......and it's exactly what I expect from this team at this point.

He slipped through a lot of fingers drafted in the 7th round. Heck, the Yankees wouldn't have waited that long if they knew what he was. No one has a crystal ball. You don't know how every 17 year old is going to mentally and physically mature over the next several years.

He's 23 years old with not even 300 career MLB at bats. They can't all be Mookie Betts

I for the life of me don't understand why they let Bello start instead of giving him a starter and having him come out in the 2nd inning. I can't explain it, but the results are clear, Bello performs when he has an opener. Not sure if AAA can change that or if you just except him for who he is and roll him out in the 2nd.

He’s up to .194 he’s one 2 game hit away from crossing it.

Hmmm yes, lots of good points being made about deals at the trade deadline going on.

Veteran hitters like Duran and Story? now at this point you don't get veteran hitters unless: You're willing to pay the FA price. or You wait for guys like Roman Anthony to become a veteran hitter.

I think anyteam trading for him is trading for his glove primarily, it's not like a .720 OPS is great but it's not absurdly higher than his career avg and teams will always try to catch lightening in a bottle....especially for a two month stretch.

Oh no you definitely trade him. Not like you're going to get anything great for him but you'll get something decent. Plus glove with a .720 OPS up the middle this year.....that will get you something.

The Sox have the 10th hardest schedule the rest of the way, After the division leading Braves they travel to Cleveland to take on the Central division leading Guardians (stil typed out Indians first). Then we have back to back series away vs. the Rays and the Yankees the top two teams in the A.L. A west coast trip, then back home to face the Yankees again and another west coast trip. This is not a very good team and the schedule isn't going to give them any kind of break coming up. I think it's very reasonable to assume we are sellers this year. The only thing stopping us from selling right now is you want to wait until there are more buyers near the deadline. Anyone who has value and is on an expiring contract really needs to be moved. The guys they absolutey must move. Sonny Gray. He will also come super cheap to any team as STL is paying most of his salary. Aroldis Chapman is still pitching like an elite closer, some team will pay an arm and a leg for him. It would be insanely stupid to not trade him at this point. Isiah Kiner-Falefa he's been sneakily good this year, not great but not bad a .720 OPS with plus defense is something teams will pay for at the dealine, sure he's not a big bat but there will be teams looking to plug their defense up the middle at the dealine. he's on a 1 year deal and isn't part of this core, sell. Someone they don't have to move but they COULD move is Wilson Contreras who is under contract for one more year, but given the liklihood of a lockout in 2027 and the fact that he will be 35 next year the Sox are probably better off selling him. He's been hitting well and teams will always pay a premium for hitting at the deadline. MAYBE, MAYBE you sell Duran if a team doesn't try to lowball the Sox for him.

Let me reframe my point. It's not like the team has 100% of the control and the player has 0 and then one day... the player has 100% of the control and the team has 0. The control is amorphous and gravitates towards the player as they accumulate service time.

But how much did we really gain with KC? he spent most of last year in the minors and I'm assuming all of this year as well.

I don't think it's so black and white, it's not like there's a thin line where it's all team leverage and all player leverage. If wait a few years yes the price tag may go up, but if you're buying out 4-5 years of control the team still has lots of leverage.

When the Sox hit HR's they win. coincidence?

I know it was against a crappy team but the Sox have looked better, and Duran getting going is so big. Also, if these other guys are hitting it takes so much pressure off someone like Anthony when he comes back.

Up until recently the best trade candidates the Sox have either have zero trade value or reduced value due to struggled (Duran). Guys who are not on expiring deals but you'd like to clear out also have little to negative value (Story and Yoshida). Still, you could get a little of shiny toys if Duran starts hitting and you dealt some pitching away. The team is only 2 games out of a WILD Card which is.....wild. I'd like to see them turn it around but if they're a sub .500 team come august none of this hug the line crap we've seen in years past. Just sell and retool for next year.