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Oh thank god, now we can go back to talking about the things that really matter. Like AAA pitching free agents and minor catching depth signings.

Right, there’s so many more important things to talk about in January during this exciting action packed off season.

Lol it’s not like these are earth shattering things, just because we are talking about them. What else we got to talk about?

Dalbec is the guy getting the call of Casas goes down and you need to call someone up for a few weeks But who plays 1B when you just want to give him a day off? Or he’s ejected? Or taken out of a game. You need a back up first baseman on the 26 man. And there’s zero room for Dalbec on the 26 man.

Giolito and Wacha could easily provide similar value next year. But Giolitos upside is much much higher than Wachas.

I thought Reddit said he was signing with Boston this week. I can’t believe “trust me bro” didn’t come thru

According to @redsoxpayroll the number is closer to 33 million. Which is hypothetically enough for one big swing in FA if they wanted Snell or Monty. If you believe they are willing to go over for the right guy, they have 53 million to the next threshold. They could easily move Jansens money if the wanted. All this means nothing, because I don’t think they think Snell and Monty are good long term options

I can't dispute these facts.

I still can't get over hearing that he was hit with a divorce last summer. Right around the time he was traded. If you look at his number from Chicago vs. everywhere else he looked like 2 different pitchers. I know nothing, but if his performance down the stretch was due to personal issues, and he got right, I have to think we get the Giolito from the first 2/3 of the season. And that version looked more like a front-line starter than the guy who pitched down the stretch. So I'm convinced his performance issues were mental, and not due to injury or decline. If he can get right, I believe he will be good. Sox could really really really use someone who offers the same upside as Giolito with more certainty, but in a vacuum, I like Giolito if he can get his head right.

He won't be laughing when revenues take a hit. You can live off of your past success, but not in perpetuity, I think this is the year he really starts to feel it if the organization doesn't turn things around. This also makes him look really dumb. Look at the front page of his website. The Red Sox sucking makes him look dumb and hurts his brand. Fenway Sports Group

I had a hard time believing a professional organization could "accidentally go over, I always figured they made the decision to go for it, which was very peculiar considering the bought and sold. Regardless, it was very telling that Bloom supposedly had a budget of 225 million last year. Intestinally 8 million below the cap. It was almost as if Ownership was saying, you're an idiot, we don't trust you so we are putting your budget below the tax line so you can't eff this up.

It's also about how they spend. They went over the cap as recently as two years ago now but it's because they spend $10-$20 million on many players for a year or two, and never take a big swing at the big fish. John Henry effectively got burned by David Price, and then Dave talked him into Chris Sale and he got burned again. Now he has decided that he will never dance again. He's effectively become an incel of the sports ownership world.

The reality is. There isn't a silver bullet to fix this team, realistically a good plan wouldn't view this year as the "be-all-end-all" and I certainly don't want any freak out impulsive buys just to look good. However, they're in this position because of years of tightening up and lack of conviction in the market from Bloom to Henry. Are only hope is that Breslow is really really good at his job. And it will probably take him more than one season to turn this organization around.

Devers has also been much better defensively in the past than he was last year. If he could be coached up to play first base, why not coach him up to get his defense back up to par at 3B.? Maybe having a consistent partner who is good defensively on the right side all year can help.

Right. This is why I don’t trade Mayer for pitching this offseason.

There's definitely a version of the future where Story gets traded, and maybe even brings back something of value. If Grissom hits and can field second and Mayer isn't traded thats your middle infield. If Story gets healthy and productive for a season, he becomes very tradeable.

If we have a good shot I think you have to keep him. If you can scout and draft well that pick should still offer some real value. But if they're statistically in it, but not really in it, like this past year I'd rather sell high.

If he pitches well enough, he's a lock to reject it. That pick might not be as valuable as what he'd be bring back in a trade (if he's pitching well). But the difference seems worth it to keep him (if you're a legit playoff contender). If he'd accept a qualifying offer, you'd think he's not opting out of that contract.

If He's pitching very well, and we don't trade him.....it better be because we are currently holding down a playoff spot at the end of July.

I saw that with Grissom, I think he has a very high floor with the bat, if he grows into some power and improves on defense he can be a star in Boston. I'm pretty confident he's going to do at least one of those things. I'd take a little bit of both, average power average defense with above average hit tool. I also like how him and Trevor Story are going to be working out together.

When Grissom graduated he was a top 100 prospect in baseball. He will be 23 all of next year and comes with 6 years of team control. It is blatantly obvious that this trade was all about getting Grissom in the door. Any team, with the financial position to do so would have done the same, including the likes of LA and NY. This was never a salary dump. If it was they would have found a team who would have taken a larger porition of his salary and taken back a much lesser return. I also don't agree that this is any way handcuffs the Sox (saving only 10 million instead of more). I'm not defending the front office as a whole, but no matter what people want to say they've been pretty consistant with total money spent and what they've said. Sure, they've signed some bad contracts, ignored home grown talent, refused to be serious on the big boys. But they've consistantly spent up to the tax line, and when they've felt they had a chance to win gone above it. Sales money with or without this trade was off the books at the end of this year. If there was a financial decision to be made that would put them over the cap this year, and they thought they had a legit shot at winning, they would just do it, and they can reset next year.

You might be right, but I think his ceiling might be higher (ceiling in terms of ranking) Teel was ranked end of year by pipeline at #88 when Grissom was promoted to the majors in the summer of 22 he was ranked 77 by baseball america. Two different ranking bodies but the closeness in status eludes that at their peak two scouts could give you two different answers on who is better. That might make his ceiling #3. He's blatantly a better prospect than Yorke, so I think that 3-6 window is appropriate. He's definteily not on the same tier as Anthony/Mayer.

I was just thinking about this the other day. Remember when people use to always complain about players, coaches, prospects, trades, contracts and all that when this team was good and winning 95-100+ games a year? I certainly do. It just goes to show that some people will always express their fanship from the front of seeing the bad. I suppose they at least have good reason now. Perhaps very good reason.

The poster said that he doesn’t know anything but he has a friend on the inside. He’s just a guy who knows a guy who is. So, certainly he wouldn’t make that up.

For what it’s worth Giolitos wife hit him with a divorce right when he fell apart. This has me hopeful that it was never a stiff problem but a mental health issue. If he is right, or can get right he’s probably going to be much better than Sale will unless Chris manages to start 25+ games