Hugh2

How do you know he was over hyped and over rated?

I don’t believe the Sox don’t want to compete, I certainly don’t think they would overtly state such. But in a covert manner is it plausible? Well it certainly feels they are covertly blaming Bloom for everything while publicly playing nice guy right now. So I throw nothing past this front office

No, because firing Bloom shows the fans that they're accountable and demand success. It's easy enough to write off one bad year when it's your first year on the job. Blame everything on the other guy. Afterall EVERY single guy on this roster was not added by next years GM so. It's the perfect scape goat. Surely, this front office wouldn't ever try to scape goat a situation.

I'm not telling you that you will be ok with it. I'm telling you they COULD use that to justify their actions.

It's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities that Henry views 2025 as the year to start going for it and he figures hiring a new GM buys him another year of mediocrity. There is another very robust starting pitching class in 2025 as well. And Mayer/Anthony plus others will be here. I'd love to play with that 2025 team while still going for it with some pitching upgrades for 2024.

Well its' the nice new shiney toy in town with the Boston Media. You could have an event happen, have it reported two entirely different ways (factually) and rile up the masses in two completely different ways. The media obviously loves the narrative that it's a s*** show and no one wants to come here. That type of story typically sells a lot more.

Yeah, I thought it was a huge overpay at the time. The guy never pitched over a 100 innings before and was having a good half-season. He then came here and saw his ERA double, not a surprise at all for a guy doubling his normal workload. To be fair he had a good year the following year but that was it. It was all eggs after that and he was never effective as a starter again. He reallly only had one good, full, healthy season as a starter where he was good all year. It would almost be like trading our Top prospect for another team Tanner Houck.

Also, didn't he trade away a young Randy Johnson and Doug Fister???? he's had his blunders. At the end of the day, you trade player y for X. And you base that largely off of an analysis that YOU ARE NOT doing. the difference is, DD was willing to sweeten the pot to get things done, but Bloom was not. To be fair, both those things in their extreme are probably damaging to an organization, although one of them can probably breed short-term success. That's exactly what DD did here, he came into a GOOD situation, a team that was already good with a strong farm. That's not taking anything away from him, he made the right decisions to push us over the top. But people act like DD is a god, or there is only one way to skin a cat.

While this may be true, if it’s true it’s an overpay it doesn’t make it right in hindsight. If it was an overpay then it means they could have got something better for Espinoza. They traded a top prospect on all baseball for a relief pitcher.

To anyone who would think Romero wouldn't be much of a "change" do we really think any of them have much of a clue of who Romero is and how great he has been in our organization? I mean, conversely, a lot of the same people here for Bloom were here under DD too. I got no problem aggressively going into surgery and cutting out the cancer, but it really feels a lot of people wont' be happy unless we throw the baby out with the bath water. Sometimes the kids are fine.....the water is just dirty.

God, I certainly know who I'd want at the poker table.

Exactly, and there have been instances where teams have been compensated and been in trouble for withholding certain information too, usually medical stuff. Just because a team trades away a guy, doesn't mean they're lower on him. Take Nick Yorke for example, the Sox may be higher on him than we realize, yet another team might be very high on him too, and might demand him (with other guys) in a trade for said player. Do the Red Sox sit there and say "No we think he's going to be a good player so we can not trade him"? or do they say "Yeah we think he's going to be a good player, but we are trading him for a guy we know is a good player and can help our team win. We also really believe in Mayer, and he will be our SS sliding Story over to 2nd". Although I'm sure neither of those statements are 100% accurate, some permutation of the later feels a lot more correct.

This seems to be a fan narrative that just doesn't play out in baseball. Teams obviously have more insight on their own guys, but there is a vast scouting community and a whole understanding to that world we don't see or hear about. Other teams know what they're buying. I don't believe a team ever "trades their prospects that won't work out" and keep the ones "who will work out" They don't know. These are human beings, and you can't predict their future. I think GM's understand they have to give up something to get something and sometimes you win a trade and sometimes you don't. Sometimes both sides win. A lot of prospects are going to either fail, or fall short of their ceilings, most do. People tend to evaluate a prospect in terms of said player becoming what their peak "ceiling is". If you trade away a lot of guys, just by chance a lot of them won't work out. DD doesn't scout these guys, it's the Red Sox internal department that are giving him reports on these guys. He doesn't know who will pan out and who will not, and that's not to take anything away from his ability to spin a trade and bring in a player THE player an organization may need. That alone is good praise for a guy.

Personally, I love the new format. The changes the made to the game overall in 2023 have been terrific. 2 hour games, more teams, more cities in it. Baseball well into the fall. The only thing that sucks is the Boston Red Sox. ... For now.

I heard the Angels are looking for a GM

That's what you got from the news? no one?

Go root for the Phillies. You certainly could play the part well of a Philadelphia sports fan.

Come on man, don't you watch the movies? The Sox just need the right mentor to help Bauer turn that passion into pure baseball energy.

Some people are going to want the job and some people are not going to want it. People have lives and kids. It’s not all about Boston. Henry will have a big enough pool of candidates from outside AND within that there will be a few good choices in there. Henry just needs to find the right guy and open up the spigot a little for him.

I’ve literally been a huge critic of Henry, more so than Bloom. Just because there are people who don’t want the job does not mean no one wants the job. Only those people, and for all we know it’s the same small handful that SI, CBS, and Sean McAdam are all reporting about. It’s a juicy story, and it fits a nice narrative. I just don’t fully buy it. It’s not terribly uncommon for there to be high turn over in lucrative positions in corporate America. These guys (and girls, I don’t want to get canceled here) aren’t making $80,000 a year. They’re making millions, often tens of millions of dollars. Money talks, and people will follow the money. However, it’s also true these are still human beings; people who may have families they don’t want to uproot. This could easily be a reason many wouldn’t want to come to Boston. They don’t want leave where they are. These people have lives. But again, money talks, sometimes you don’t have kids, or the kids are younger and you take the opportunity to make more money. It’s not that I don’t buy the story. I believe people don’t want to come to Boston. I just don’t believe the narrative that no one wants to come to Boston. I call bs on that, but then again I am a pretty gullible person so wtf do I know. I just hope we don’t get the Bobby Valentines of GMs

This just sounds like a media hit piece. Do you think they actually went around and interviewed all the executives in all 30 clubs. Who do they even know the Sox are targeting? One person opens their mouth, a news reporter puts it on paper, and it becomes canon. I don’t buy it.

Eddie Romero is a gem, and would be entirely deserving of the job.

If the allegations were wrong, that changes a lot with me. I'd be open to signing him.

Yeah, f*** it. Bring out your lefty relievers.....we'll burn through them all!!!!!

Mayer was a top 5 prospect in all the game. Has anyone that highly regarded every been traded for 1 year or less of a player???