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FSG to buy the Boston Celtics. Will mandate Brad Stevens to trade Jayson Tatum.

A big RHB in the middle of the lineup would certainly help this team. That plus another starter could put this team over the team this year going down the stretch. Especially if you have Casas coming back and not out.

I put in Mayer/Anthony/Casas for Vlad into BTV for hahaha's and my computer actually started laughing at me. I kid, I actually think this is a good case for why BTV isn't reliable. They seem to be undervaluing Vlad. According to them Boston should not only reject Casas for Vlad straight up (which I would) but Toronto has to add significant value to make it work.

Last 3 years Casas OPS .846 Guerrero Jr. .812 I'd keep Casas and two top prospects.

Draft picks are not tradeable.

The problem with this argument is you can attribute that money to anything. Maybe they used that money saved to extend Bello, or Rafaela? If it was done last year we could of said the money was used to sign Yoshida OR Turner or Jansen. I think it should be good enough just to say that Giolito has turned out to be a bad signing.

Giolito's velocity went up at the end of last year. End of argument, anyone implying he blew his elbow out and pitched worse all while magically somehow pitching faster is just not facing the facts of the matter.

As someone who went thru a divorce I can personally attest to how much of an effect it can have on a man. How anyone can discount that? I just don't know. It's also well known that every single mlb deal that ever happens requires a physical. Giolito has had an elbow injury that has been pre-existing dating back to HS, if there was a change in there they would have seen it. If he blew his elbow out we would have known about it earlier than March of 2024. THere's no way he tore that thing and pitched/worked out on it for the next 6-7 months. You'd expect a guy who is a gym rat to have some basic knowledge of human physiology and be able to understand that......but here we are. Also, if Giolito had torn his elbow in 2023 and that is what caused his 2nd half regression there would be a drop in his velocity. HIS VELOCITY ACTUALLY WENT UP. The facts support the exact opposite of what some posters are implying. Pitchers get injured, it happens today more than any other day. When one is a donny downer, they tend to find the alternative facts they need to support their theories to critisize the people they want.

WINckowski with the nice start today. Had him pegged as a bullpen arm, seems stretching him out in AAA may pay dividends

That would make more sense. I’m not sure that’s the same reset, besides some young guys worth being part of a core I guess you could build a package around Yoshida/Devers.

Please, this is the second time you’ve done this. Red will spend all day attacking multiple posters and then you come in and take his side. I don’t care that you think I’m a jerk, but it’s laughable that you can make that statement after hearing him go at everyone all morning.

Anytime there’s a tit for tat and two people go at it and someone comes in and calls just on poster an ******* all that proves is that you agree with that person. Gale has done this time and time again with Red.

Oh please, red talks down to more people in here than anyone else. Get off his junk

Reading is hard, we get it

Sometimes, people understand a “scenario” can be In relation to a comment someone else made. Sometimes, although I suppose reading comprehension is too much to ask. As I’ve said many times in the last few weeks, right now this team should be a buyer.

Leave it to a Donny downer to redefine a Donny downer and reject what they’re. I’m sure the whore would tell you she’s a sex therapist. Advocating a sell off when a team has a losing record and is in last place is just realism. It’s a far cry from taking the negative view on seemingly every game and every transaction that happens.

Agreed, but not my point here. You neither I don’t know what the Sox internal evaluations of said pitchers were. You don’t just spend money to spend money. It can both be true that that statement is accurate and Henry has gone soft and is unwilling to open up the purse.

But yes let’s sell everyone. I wonder if that includes Houck, Wong, Duran, and Abreu?

Some people just don’t think before they post. Or at all. The concept behind keeping salary is to get a better prospect in return. Which if it’s one year. WTF wouldn’t you do that? O’Neill, Pivetta, Jansen, Martin. Imagine a contender comes to you, wants one of those guys, but to stay under budget they want you to kick in the money and in return they offer you a better prospect. If you’re already under the luxury tax, and you’re sellers giving up on the season, why wouldn’t you maximize your return. Every GM from Bloom to DD would in that scenario.

Well that’s precisely my point. I think you need to evaluate players and have convictions and stick to them. Maybe you like Yama and go over the cap for him but you miss out. You don’t just go over and sign Snell because you had the money to do so if you don’t like him long term. Was pitching a need? Yes, but I think you blame the strategy over a long term horizon than one given offseason. Pitching was a need not because they didn’t invest this past offseason but rather because of the 6 years of decision making and roster construction leading up. If you look to over correct in one offseason by just throwing money around you could dig a hole!!!! Think of it this way. How excited would some be if the Sox signed both Snell and Montgomery back in March? Sure, there’d be some detractors, and those complaining about the money but nobody would think the rotation wouldn’t be improved. But we’d be so much worse off right now, and way over the cap.

I thought they would go over too, and I expect them too given the track record, market, and fan base. But I don think they should go over just foe the sake of going over; that’s how you get into trouble long term. I can believe in that and still be unhappy with the total body of work the last 5 years.

I don’t disagree. But if you figure a reset every 2-3 years it makes sense to leave some wiggle room. You can’t 100% predict your payroll on day one. Injuries, a larger than expected call up of Milb players can increase payroll. And it’s also useful to have 8-10 million in cap space to play around with at the trade deadline.

Yes a lot of the booing is well deserved I don’t refute the healthy dose of realistic fan dissent. But it’s the negative Nancie’s, the Donny downers, the ones who always have something to complain about, but will seemingly crawl under a rock during a win streak. I get it, unconditional fandom is be equally annoying to them. It’s their insatiable lust for the game that’s insufferable. These are the guys who could still complain, and DID complain during the runs in 2013 and 2018 around here too. When the team won 100 games they still sat in their armchairs and critique everything. When we had guys like Mookie Betts, and Xander Bogaerts, they still complained about every little thing, every strike out, every GIDP, every pitching change that didn’t result in a 1-2-3 inning was instantaneously the wrong move. They’re literally, mentally incapable of joy. It’s impossible for them. Their power only grows with every loss, and slowly shrivels up with every loss.

With three losses in a row the boo birds will be out in full force. This is what gets them all hot and bothered.

Thanks a lot MVP!!!!!