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Proven*

You mean before he ever pitched in AA? So in other words it was easier when he was a prospect? And not when he was a cost controlled probable MLB arm with years of team control left.????? Which continues to be my argument.

Feel confident you can do so*

Weren’t all those guys rentals? Sure some of them signed extensions and that’s the right ideal if you trade for them and feel co didn’t you can do so. But didn’t they all have .5-1 year or team control.

And how many of those guys are TOTRS? 3 of them don’t even have MLB experience. Teams are more willing to deal prospects than young, proven, cost controlled pitching e.g. white Sox Chris Sale. It’s a lot easier to trade for the next Josh Winckowski than it is Spencer Strider.

So you’re saying the FO might be full of crap? I agree

If the season ended today and you wanted to judge per FWar, Duran would be a top 10 candidate for MVP, and Tanner Houck would be your Cy Young. Sox farm system is looking good, they should probably be on everyones top 10 mid season, I suspect they will be in some top 5's. FO always said they'd spend when the time is right, they might get their chance this offseason.

Teams deal young pitching because they’re cheap small market teams and when said player is entering expensive arby years and the team is nowhere near competing, team cashes in for a haul of prospects.

That’s fair. I think the Sox thought they could replace what they had in Sale with Giolito. To be fair, seeing what Breslow/Bailey have done with this crop of pitching I really really would have liked to see what they may have been able to get out of a guy like Giolito

Fair, but who is saying they like this trade because it’s working out so far?

Did we not need one? we knew had Mayer on the way but all prospects are suspects until they become big leaguers as one poster would say. Also, we don't really have anything in the pipeline guaranteed to lockdown 2ND or really even looking that promising with Yorke falling from Grace. I have high hopes, but low expectations for Story at 2nd. Grissom could slide right into their plans, a young cost controlled 22 year old with 6 years of team control for one year of a pitcher who doesn't fit into your future plans during a year coming off of a last place finish and you don't have a real chance at winning a world series? I think you should make that trade every single time, even if Grissom is a complete dud, thats the game you play when you trade for young talent, some guys pan out some don't. I'm not concerned because of a slow start, I'll be worried if he sucks after 500 at bats.

so seven guys......spread out over how many years? there's 30 teams in baseball looking for pitching. Teams like to keep young pitching isn't analogous with teams keep all of their pitching.

If he hits as advertised I would love to see Grissom in a super utility role, the kind where he's getting 400 AB's a year.

If you could go pre Sale trade there was no one in here happy with Sale, and probably many salivating at the opportunity to offboard him. I don't think they're purposely being hypocritical, rather people want proven MLB talent. Grissom wasn't a name they recognized, and the fact that he got hurt and off to a slow start certaily didn't help his cause. Some of us also recognize that a 34 year old pitcher who had not been healthy for a significant period of time since he was in his 20's isnt' excatly a valuable asset. It's very easy to look at Sales performance now and critisize the trade, and we are the kings of that here on Sox talk. The hindsight is strong in here. It will be interesting to see how the narrative changes if Grissom turns into a big pick up. I suspect many will come around, and some won't, some will always be against the trade. The bar Grissom will have to pass is he will have to be a regular all-star. Fans will always project out the player they loses absolute 100% ceiling and expect that guranteed in return and they will discount years of control, downside, age, risk, performance etc etc etc. It's nice to see Sale healthy and performing well, I hope he can keep it up, he always seemed like a deserving guy to me. I hope Grissom works out well for us too, he's starting to show signs off life the last several games.

Pure conjecture but I wonder how accurate that height is. Those measurements aren’t measured often. He easily could have been 5’8 a year ago. I’d be interested to see if he clocks in at 5’10” 5’11” now. He certainly does not look 5’8”

Devers and Duran on point tonight

He’s 18 and already has exit velocities of 110 mph. That’s almost unheard of

After seeing video of Cespedes I’ve concluded he’s moving off of short, maybe not this year or even next but probably before he reaches the bigs. But he looks like he’s going to be a monster at the plate.

Do you really trust Story to stay healthy? Why not root for the kid to reach the potential everyone says he has. You can always trade away a logjam or move guys off position. I’d keep Grissom on the roster.

As much as I’d love to pencil Story in at 2nd next year can we really trust him? I mean if Sale stays healthy all year maybe there is hope.

Top RH bats on next years free agent market. Alex Bergman. Jose Altuve Ha-Seong Kim Pete Alonso Paul Goldschmidt Not sure if any of those guys are a fit. And two of them probably get resigned, Paul is just old.

The big three are heating up.

No, but it changes things up until May 20th. That's still more information than they had then, of a known ACE status. That would change the value. Of course, no one has a crystal ball, and if they did they'd see Grissom sucking......or turning into a stud in the second half???

Yes but there are multiple thresholds. SPotrac has them at $255 million which is just $2 million under the next threshold.

Vaughn vs. Downs MLB .663 .533 AAA .915 - .696 AA .925 - 1.116 A+ .918 - .852 A .848 - .753 With the exception of AA Grissom has been better than Downs at EVERY level. With the one caveat being AA, which ironically is a very small sample size for both players, also both skipped a level. Grissom at 21 and thrown right into a Penant race as a kid and still put up a .792 OPS with the heat on him. Given his larger body of work, youth, and the fact he had no spring training. There's a lot to be optimistic about. Now none of that means it's guranteed he will turn it around and become a stud, but he's done a lot more than to be compared to Jeter Downs.