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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/dodgers-to-re-sign-ryan-brasier.html why can't we get guys like this????
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There you go, Tek blew out his elbow not 3 days. Lets' blame him.
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I don't see it as black and white, I see it as chronic and acute injuries, which are two entirely different things. An acute injury isn't going to derail a guys future in several years, it's going to end it or sideline it then and there. If the injury or "3 day event" was significant enough to end his career he would not be pitching on it for years afterwards. those 3 days might have been an example of his overuse, but at the end of the day it's just some of the water in a larger bucket.
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Exaclty, that's caused by bad habits and overuse overtime, not a couple days. It's like pinpointing a couple drops in a bucket instead of one. If 3 days derailed his career, and you can pinpoint those 3 days, his elbow would have blown out the next year.
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You're describing a chronic problem. If a three day period injured a guy harshely enough to derail his career he wouldn't be throwing on it for an additional two years before having surgery, he would have developed an acute injury.
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Yes, but these guys have also all been pitching for a very long time as well. It's almost a given that a guy will have surgery at least once in his career, and nowadays it's almost a given you will recover from it as well. There's also a difference between getting the surgery and getting fixed, and pitching through it. Which, if that's the case here, Faulk waited years to fix his elbow. That's the real culprit, not 3 days, if he pitched for years on it after a "speficic event" then he made it astronomically worse.
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The Orioles literally have prospects ranked higher than all of Mayer, Anthony, Rafaela and Teel at their respective positions. Jackson Holliday #1 Marcelo Mayer #15 Samuel Basallo #15 Kyle Teel #40 Colton Cowser #19 Roman Anthony #24 Heston Kjerstad #32 Ceddanne Rafaela #76 And then one other guy in the top 50. If they start to spend, they're the new Braves, luckily Toronto and TB's window may be closing, and with the new schedule and three wildcards this team coudl still have a yearly path to the playoffs if they can get their s*** together.
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What injury did it cause? Because he pitched the next year after that, he didn't have any surgery on his elbow and it was knee injuries that sidelined him the next year or so. He didn't have surgery on his elbow until a few years later. If he blew his elbow out and had to be carted off the field in 2004 that would be something different, but even then I would argue it was still the "straw that broke the camels back". So the final straw broke his back years later? Maybe I'm misremmebering things here but that just doesn't make any sense. I don't think anyone can ever have surgery and go look back years and pinpoint it to an overuse event, if he suffered an injury that serious that he actually needed elbow surgery he wouldn't be using his elbow for years more before needing said surgery.
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The straw that broke the camels back yes. But if all it takes is a straw then something, somewhere, at any time soon is going to break it. The wear and tear from years prior is every other straw but that last one. I don't disagree with your statement at all, of course that increases the likelyhood. I'll go back to my heart attack example, if you have an insanely stressful work week and have a heart attack that amount of added stress increased the likleyhood of it happening, but it was still the years of bad habits that led there). I would blame the former and not the later on ending his career. That's my point......3 days in November didn't end his career.
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Mind.....completely blown.
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The fact that they're not mutually exclusing plays into my point that it's a chronic injury and not acute. It wasn't caused by 3 days of overuse. YOu can't be injured in 3 days from overuse unless you've been overused for a very very long time. Like a runner running a race, you're going to get tired and eventually have to stop if you try to over do it, and it will happen time and time again before you get hurt. But if you have bad form, bad shoes, etc etc etc, eventually one day you will get injured. That's a chronic problem. 3 days didn't ruin his career. But again.....I don't think Faulk will complain.
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You're basically saying the same thing, and yes I'm 100% certain.
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Pitchers use to throw 100 pitches or more in a single game. I'd figure 100 over 3 days is overall less wear and tear on the body than 100 in 1. I just don't think any 3 day span is going to injur a guy unless it's an acute injury, with Folke, it seemed to be chronic, which would point to years of overuse and wear and tear. Kind of like my heart attack example, the startling could be the cataclyst but it was the years after years of greasy hamburgers and ho hos that caused it.
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Won’t break character I see. Well played.
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I’m still sticking to my Theory that you and Moon are actually best friends in real life and this is all smoke and mirrors. Well played guys…..well played.
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That does seem a little weird, but maybe that’s just because I feel like if i told all my friends I spent all my time commenting on a baseball forum and I showered them with all the arguments I’m getting into they’d just make fun of me. But again, we are all different, and to be fair me and my friends will pretty much rank on each other for anything and everything
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I’ve tried blocking people on the past, the problem is you see the posts all the time when not logged in. Best to try to not let people get under your skin and realize not everyone thinks like you. Advice I need to take myself sometimes. In the end we are all here for the same general reason.
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The correlation is as strong as startling someone and giving them a heart attack. Did you give them one? Or did years of a s***** diet and leading a sedentary lifestyle lead to a slow build up of plaque inside the arteries. His arm was likely on the brink anyways, and if a three day span caused an acute Injury then that’s something. You get the surgery and rehabilitate yourself. If you’re young and dedicated to your rehab it’s very easy to come back strong. But he didn’t sustain an acute injury, he pitched the very next year in 37 games. Yes he was awful, but he still pitched. He may of had something building up brewing that should have been taken care of earlier. Sounds more chronic than acute. The doesnt happen in three days.
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I’m not arguing against that one bit. I’m saying there’s no 3 day span that can ever ruin a guys career. His arm was either shot from decades of wear and tear, or he never put the same level of effort into his training afterwards to get himself right
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I refuse to believe three days of over usage ruined a guys career. Three days of over usage may cause an acute injury. If you’re not coming back from that then it’s because you haven’t put the time and work in to rehabilitate yourself. I think people would be surprised at how much more durable a player can be, and how much longer their careers would be with proper diet and exercise.
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Sox have done deals like this in the past and it works out. But it’s always been to make a good team great and put them over the top. Never to make a bad team just good. I wouldn’t prematurely blow our load. This crap team isn’t worth it. I’d rather draft and develop guys, and spend money up to the tax limit. The type of move you’re talking about is something I can see in about two years. Would have been this year if maybe Bloom was better at his job.
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I dont care what BTV says, Cabrera offers more upside than Duran does. But I don’t think it’s a good match, and Cabrera wouldn’t be my first choice.
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If all it took to get Ecabrera was Duran, I’d literally drive him to the airport.
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An equivalent Sox package might look something like Wikelman Gonzalez/Ceddanne Rafeala. If he would have signed an extension, I would have been ok with that.
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Why not? he's one of the best in baseball, and has been a top 10 guy every single year for the past 4 years including a cy young. He will also be entering free agency four years later than Cole, so you have to factor 4 years of player salary inflation. Unless he falls off a cliff next season, he's probably commanding a contract around 275-300 million dollars.