Hugh2
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The big three are heating up.
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No, but it changes things up until May 20th. That's still more information than they had then, of a known ACE status. That would change the value. Of course, no one has a crystal ball, and if they did they'd see Grissom sucking......or turning into a stud in the second half???
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Yes but there are multiple thresholds. SPotrac has them at $255 million which is just $2 million under the next threshold.
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Vaughn vs. Downs MLB .663 .533 AAA .915 - .696 AA .925 - 1.116 A+ .918 - .852 A .848 - .753 With the exception of AA Grissom has been better than Downs at EVERY level. With the one caveat being AA, which ironically is a very small sample size for both players, also both skipped a level. Grissom at 21 and thrown right into a Penant race as a kid and still put up a .792 OPS with the heat on him. Given his larger body of work, youth, and the fact he had no spring training. There's a lot to be optimistic about. Now none of that means it's guranteed he will turn it around and become a stud, but he's done a lot more than to be compared to Jeter Downs.
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Atlanta moved him off position because they had the most talented positional core in the MLB. I could easily see Grissom turning into a 2B/SS/LF/3B type in the same mold.....if the Sox wanted to. Like much of anything, he has to hit. I think he will in time, but my thoughts don't drive outcomes. He also has two options, so he doesn't have to right now. He can go down the minors and work on some things.
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He's already done more than Jeter Down ever will do in the majors and he reached bigs 4 years before Dalbec did, every level 3 years+ younger with almost 1/3 the K% I'm certainly not going to make any of these comparisions. I can differentiate between a trade not working out yet and appreciating why it was made and still have confidence in the long term outlook of said player.
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I get that. I'm just not entirely sure why anyone would think Duran is at peak value right now. Right now, his 2024 is worse than his 2023, barely, and I'd actually make the argument that difference is marginal and his continued overall performance DOES make his value higher right now. But for all we know anyone and everyone is at the highest their value will ever be moving forward. Why Duran? I'm not opposed to hypothetically trading him one day. Maybe he's a really good chip to have if an Abreu/Rafaela/Anthony outfield looks optimal in a few years, and to CUrry's credit he said he's not advocating trading him right now. But a lot can happen between now and then. If I'm the Sox FO i'm not thinking about maximizing his value right now.
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Yes Grissom hasn’t produced to date. I get that.
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Pure conjecture here. But if Atlanta and Boston had some crystal ball on Sales performance to date I’d bet it would increase the player return and the money exchanged would be the same. As it should be.
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No we have not. But if the offense and defense were to improve this team would be much better.
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Red you're a voice of reason in here.
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All correct.
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Actually no, what you're saying is like saying that. To come in here and say Chris Sale would have started every game that the Sox scored 5 or more runs is the same thing. I'm literally not saying that, I'm saying we don't know.
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No one is arguing over that. I'm just not judging the trade at the moment, If Grissom came into the season healthy, had a normal spring training and had a .850+ ops right now and was playing a good second base as many predicted he could no one would be complaining. Results matter, and if Grissom doesn't ever put it together I'll call it a horrible trade, but I certainly won't know and given how this season is going I would have placed my bets on the prospect of improving my defense and offense too.
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aren't they also only something like 4-5 million below the top threshold? that's where the really stiff penalties really kick in. That probably had a large influence on their decision.
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Just because Sales WAR is 2 doesn't mean he definitively would of added 2 wins. If he started any of those bullpen games they easily could have been the 4 days the Sox scored 0-1 runs. We just don't know. Right now, offense and defense is a much bigger problem. Conversely to your point if you had two options. Option one. Pitch better offense/defense remain the same. Option two. Pitch the same offense/defense better. Which would you choose?
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And we saw what happened there. We have him for 4 more years through his age 32 season, I'm comfortable riding those out.
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That's not the argument I said, I'm saying right now improved defense and offense would make this team better than having another ACE. The former doesn't mean the latter also isn't true or I wouldn't like it.
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No it's doesn't, but improving in the area you're most deficient in is going to go further in making you better, that's pretty simple logic and math too.
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Sometimes I think some posters just love to hate whatever move the front office makes. Don't get me wrong, there are some real head scratchers in there, many worth the questions but for right or wrong I'll never judge something in hindsight, nor prematurely.
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LOL man ya'll are funny. I'd rather have hitting right now than pitching. How are we doing with RISP again? what is a bigger problem on this team? Sure, Grissom doesn't look like a good pick up at the moment in hindsight but a RH hitting bat was one of our biggest needs in the offseason. We've lost almost 1/4 of all the games we've played by 3 runs or less. Maybe with Chris Sale we'd lose 0-3 instead of 0-7 that one time.
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Domimic Smith .189/.232/.245 OPS: .477 That's below below average, and his defense is fringe average at best. 54 of his 56 plate apparences are against RHP, maybe because he's a lifetime .695 OPS vs. LHP. that .477 OPS is against all right handers and that's what he's supposed to be doing...HITTING RIGHT HANDERS!!!!! Kavadas OPS VS RHP 2024: 1.155 2023: .945 2022: 1.146 Kavadas is going to give more than what Smith does. Chipped in with a few hits here and there lol.
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That cop was ready, dude came out quick like a DE.
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How does anyone know we would be selling high on Duran? And if we are, why would anyone think their personal assesment of his value is superior to the professional scouting department of an entire MLB organization? You don't go trading away young talent, not when you desperately lack that. Now, in a few years when guys like Anthony have broken into the bigs and the outfield gets crowded it might make a lot more sense to trade Duran, or someone else?
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Up and down the system and across baseball relief pitchers get TJS all the time, you don't hear about it as much because starting pitchers are more of a known commodity. There's every reason to believe that Whitlock would be just as injury prone in a full time reliever role. He has all the hallmarks of a starting pitcher and was his entire career before his first TJS, in todays age it's almost assumed every pitcher will have TJS at some point so it's pretty senseless to blame the sox for trying to develop him as a starter. With that said, I'm very open to him being moved to a bullpen, who knows.....perhaps he can stay healthier in that role. Everyone is built different.