That’s fair.
Those “bad years” for the Phillies were actually loaded with serious HOF talent. But somehow the failures of this team got ignored. Growing up we all heard about the futility of the Cubs and Red Sox with their long WS droughts. And everyone ignored the Phillies - an original team on the Senior Circuit - didn’t win a World Series until 1980.
The White Sox - whose title drought started the year before Boston’s and ended the year after - are the other team whose long history of failure largely gets ignored. Including in your analysis. How did you forget that team?
DH is still the position with the least risk of injury. And one injury to Yoshida doesn’t change that at all.n “Not playing” is NOT a position. Please show me one baseball card ever where the player’s position was listed as “not playing”.
Not to mention, the notion of telling a healthy baseball player to shut down completely for a prolonged period because the team isn’t going to compete for a title is flat out wrong on multiple levels…
No, you tried to make that the discussion. The quote you responded to clearly mentioned 2008.
And I will take my Red Sox in the entirety over some piece of s*** franchise that took nearly a century to win their first title. I’m not the kind of fan who starts crying i over a couple bad seasons…
Maybe, but I’d take the overall history of the Red Sox over that of the Phillies, who might be the least successful franchise in MLB history.
I’ll take Boston’s 2022 and 2023 if I also get 2004 thru 2018…
Maybe, but you don’t tell a healthy baseball player to avoid risk and sit the rest of the year. These guys have short enough careers as it is.
If Devers was willing to sit for a month or two to avoid injury while the team tanked, I would hope the Sox ship him out this offseason. Why would any team want a baseball player who didn’t want to play baseball?
Ok, but fWAR is better for determining who is the better player at a position this year. And fan balloting means little towards determining bench players, which is a much more likely scenario for Devers.
Bench players are chose with player ballot and the Commissioner’s Office. Is OPS or fWAR more useful there?
Looking at fWAR, Duran is tied for fourth among AL outfielders, behind the 3 names mentioned above . Devers is fourrh among AL third basemen, behind Ramírez, Westburg and Paredes.
Does Devers go at all?
First of all, why does credit have to be all or nothing? Can we just acknowledge he’s part of it without brining in everyone else’s names? You know, like we do for EVERYONE ELSE?
Second, I’m guessing he’d rather miss the playoffs with a cheap team than with an expensive one. Wouldn’t you if you owned the team?
Third - he did spend heavily for some of those sub-.500 last place finishes. Not sure what you mean by “lose a lot” with his 7th sub-.500 finish…
BTV would have accepted Anthony (51.1) and Fitts (4.8) for Crochet (53.5). But I doubt Getz would have. Again, he’s in no rush to move Crochet, unless you think his arbitration costs are going to get very steep very fast…
That and the White Sox have said they’re open to moving Luis Robert and Crochet. It’s more than likely they mean “assuming you meet our price, which will not be considered cheap or fair by any measure.” Especially since both players can be controlled for 3 seasons beyond this one. So, no real rush here.
If it’s a “blow us out of the water with your offer” scenario, BTV deals are no longer relevant…