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Everything posted by notin
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First of all, just extrapolating out the innings (which means ignoring Sale’s most obvious weakness) does ignore that that doesn’t always work so well. Fatigue, etc. Second, have you seen how Matz is doing? Third, Kluber was better and actually durable the year before the Sox acquired him. But, as happens with every pitcher, he got old and did so fast. Just because Sale hasn’t didn’t mean it wasn’t a concern…
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… not to mention offer him other positions within the organization…
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Really? I recall you said you were not sad to see Sale go - odd thing to say if you thought he was going to be healthy… Post 15 https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20836-Chris-Sale-traded-to-Braves
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So… you think the Yankees will put him up for stud?
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Fangraphs leader board for 2023. Sale -102.2 IP 2.1 fWAR Matz - 105 IP 2.0 fWAR Abbott - 109 IP 2.2 fWAR
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Was it? Because his fWAR for his IP was very similar to that of Steve Matz and Andrew Abbott…
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1. I’m sure cp would have wanted the Sale extension. He’s the only one whose disgust for this trade has no shred of hindsight. Also, safe bet he was pro-Sale extension. 2. Gio for $38mill was a worst case - exactly how it played out unfortunately. The second option was more of a feeler for how he felt about a QO. If he didn’t exercise his player option, it was a safe bet he’d turn down the similarly valued QO.
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I expect them to try, but even the Yankees have financial limits…
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I was against selling both of those years, but I would have preferred it over the inactivity we saw at both deadlines. And preferred it by a lot…
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They don’t. I’m sure they were much more frustrated with Sale than we have been. I don’t like how this trade has turned out, but I don’t blame the Sox for 1) unloading Sale plus part of his contract for 2) a prospect they liked who played a position of need and 3) replacing Sale with a much more durable solution…
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“Potentially” is the big word there. And how is the pitcher averaging 170 IP for the last 3 seasons riskier than the pitcher averaging 35 IP per year?
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Finishing the previous year for 43 innings was one thing. But like I said, he’s pitching like he did SIX YEARS AGO! Know who else is? Nobody! Especially nobody at age 35!
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Well, right now he’s at about 200 ABs without a home run. However, if there is anything to his flu/weight loss, the last 87 are understandable. I do have my doubts about the impact of his flu/weight loss, given how he put up some quality numbers in AAA. Although that was only 9 games…
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So you’re rankled about paying Sale $17mill to pitch elsewhere? I was frustrated beyond belief about the Sox paying him $112 mill to throw 140 innings over a 4 year stretch. And the popular chant has been for people to say “I knew he was going to come back at full strength,” like it was so obvious. The man didn’t pitch this well in 2019!! He hasn’t pitched like this since 2018, and I challenge anyone on these boards to name one other pitcher putting up the same MLB numbers today he did six years ago. This re-suregence is either unexpected bad luck (for Boston, not Chris) or an unsustainable hot streak. Not saying Sale won’t have a good year, just saying anyone who expected this from him is either very naive or a liar…
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A lot of fans all over every Internet forum everywhere believe in some sort of “Magic formula” for how a baseball team needs to be put together in order to win. Many of them also have pre-conceived notions about whether or not the players on any current roster do or do not fit into that formula. And when the criteria of that formula are not met, then only logical conclusion is the team cannot win and should then prepare to sell. Of course, some folks on this board are sell-happy because they’ve also seen the last two years when a team that should consider selling simply passes and does nothing. They simply don’t want that three-peat…
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I’d like them to break out of this, too. Really the one thing I don’t like is this team is going to lack superstar power for a long time, which is why it was so wrong to let Betts go. The chances of one coming up internally are slim. And yet they’re still better than the chances to Sox go out and pay for Juan Soto…
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No one does, but that’s not the point…
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They do, but his samples are so small they also don’t attach percentile rankings. If you’ve ever watched a broadcast that includes StatCast, one weird thing you might notice is they attach exit velocity and launch angles to foul balls. While I think this is just how the software works, I don’t know if this data is ever included in the player’s profile…
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But you’re already getting more optimistic. Six months ago, if you described the 2022 and 2023 teams as “around .500” - a 100% accurate description- someone would have chimed in immediately correcting you that they were a last place team, and should not be referred to any other way…
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Oh no doubt this season would be more frustrating if we played under the rules in 1992 or 2013. But the evolving postseason (which I will maintain is a good thing) does keep us alive, especially when combined with the inherent parity is MLB. But some of us were not down on this team all off-season, and while I will absolutely talk about selling in July (it’s just another opportunity to talk baseball) I maintain we are still in the playoff hunt. Are we the best team? Not even close. But then, do we need to be?
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Depressing state of affairs? The mood on this board changes daily. Not to mention, the waters have been muddied in recent years regarding the whole “buying/selling “ thing anyway…
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No idea how the whole flu thing impacted him. Obviously if he did lose 15 pounds, that’s pretty serious. I mean, if out-of-shape me lost 15 pounds, that’s a big deal. I can’t imagine an athlete with 15 pounds to lose. StatCast doesn’t hate Grissom. With the balls he’s hit, they give him an expected batting average of .238 and an expected slugging of .379. Neither number is stellar, but both are vastly superior to what he has put up (and his OPS would be a lesser degree of frustrating at .676.)
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They’re just talking baseball…
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The “actually do some buying” part is where the Sox have been falling short recently. But only 3 games out in mid-June seems to early to run to the white flag.
