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Everything posted by notin
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Sale has done everything to embarrass the Sox on this trade. I just wish he was able to embarrass like this them occasionally from 2020 through 2023. Grissom has been his complete inverse - unhealthy, underperforming- making this look even worse. But I’m not calling him a bust after 87 PA. I advocated for the DFA of David Hamilton in April after a much larger and equally unimpressive sample size and Hamilton has responded lately with an impressive show. Some guys take a while. I’m still right about DFAing Dalbec, however…
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I think Cora is an investment Henry will make to keep future roster payrolls down…
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Other current big spending teams? Like the Mets? Not to mention, the logic that “the Sox should have gambled on Sale” as being obvious ignores two points. 1. It was clearly a gamble, which this point openly admits. 2. The Sox did gamble on Sale four times over the previous four seasons and lost each time. Definition of insanity, maybe? Even you didn’t like the $10mill gamble on Kluber one year earlier, despite Kluber actually pitching a full season and having a lesser injury history in recent years. But with the benefit of hindsight, Sale at 3x as much is obvious? It was a deal that made sense at the time but so far has blown up badly. I do my blame the Sox for this at all…
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As I have said about Sale (and a few others, notably Eovaldi), the issue isn’t talent. But that 2022 looks odd, especially when considering that 5.2 IP covers two starts. Also odd with his career lowest K/9 (which means nothing over 5 IP, but is a factor in FIP, which is in turn a factor in fWAR)…
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To me, Henry doesn’t want to just be cheap; he wants to be cheap and win. In order to accomplish that, he will need an organization that runs on the cutting edge of analytics. The best guy for just such a team is Alex Cora, who is one of the largest devotees of analytics in all of MLB. So Cora is an investment for Henry that shields him from paying the outrageous MLB prices he so wants to avoid…
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First of all, just extrapolating out the innings (which means ignoring Sale’s most obvious weakness) does ignore that that doesn’t always work so well. Fatigue, etc. Second, have you seen how Matz is doing? Third, Kluber was better and actually durable the year before the Sox acquired him. But, as happens with every pitcher, he got old and did so fast. Just because Sale hasn’t didn’t mean it wasn’t a concern…
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… not to mention offer him other positions within the organization…
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Really? I recall you said you were not sad to see Sale go - odd thing to say if you thought he was going to be healthy… Post 15 https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20836-Chris-Sale-traded-to-Braves
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So… you think the Yankees will put him up for stud?
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Fangraphs leader board for 2023. Sale -102.2 IP 2.1 fWAR Matz - 105 IP 2.0 fWAR Abbott - 109 IP 2.2 fWAR
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Was it? Because his fWAR for his IP was very similar to that of Steve Matz and Andrew Abbott…
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1. I’m sure cp would have wanted the Sale extension. He’s the only one whose disgust for this trade has no shred of hindsight. Also, safe bet he was pro-Sale extension. 2. Gio for $38mill was a worst case - exactly how it played out unfortunately. The second option was more of a feeler for how he felt about a QO. If he didn’t exercise his player option, it was a safe bet he’d turn down the similarly valued QO.
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I expect them to try, but even the Yankees have financial limits…
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I was against selling both of those years, but I would have preferred it over the inactivity we saw at both deadlines. And preferred it by a lot…
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They don’t. I’m sure they were much more frustrated with Sale than we have been. I don’t like how this trade has turned out, but I don’t blame the Sox for 1) unloading Sale plus part of his contract for 2) a prospect they liked who played a position of need and 3) replacing Sale with a much more durable solution…
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“Potentially” is the big word there. And how is the pitcher averaging 170 IP for the last 3 seasons riskier than the pitcher averaging 35 IP per year?
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Finishing the previous year for 43 innings was one thing. But like I said, he’s pitching like he did SIX YEARS AGO! Know who else is? Nobody! Especially nobody at age 35!
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Well, right now he’s at about 200 ABs without a home run. However, if there is anything to his flu/weight loss, the last 87 are understandable. I do have my doubts about the impact of his flu/weight loss, given how he put up some quality numbers in AAA. Although that was only 9 games…
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So you’re rankled about paying Sale $17mill to pitch elsewhere? I was frustrated beyond belief about the Sox paying him $112 mill to throw 140 innings over a 4 year stretch. And the popular chant has been for people to say “I knew he was going to come back at full strength,” like it was so obvious. The man didn’t pitch this well in 2019!! He hasn’t pitched like this since 2018, and I challenge anyone on these boards to name one other pitcher putting up the same MLB numbers today he did six years ago. This re-suregence is either unexpected bad luck (for Boston, not Chris) or an unsustainable hot streak. Not saying Sale won’t have a good year, just saying anyone who expected this from him is either very naive or a liar…
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A lot of fans all over every Internet forum everywhere believe in some sort of “Magic formula” for how a baseball team needs to be put together in order to win. Many of them also have pre-conceived notions about whether or not the players on any current roster do or do not fit into that formula. And when the criteria of that formula are not met, then only logical conclusion is the team cannot win and should then prepare to sell. Of course, some folks on this board are sell-happy because they’ve also seen the last two years when a team that should consider selling simply passes and does nothing. They simply don’t want that three-peat…
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I’d like them to break out of this, too. Really the one thing I don’t like is this team is going to lack superstar power for a long time, which is why it was so wrong to let Betts go. The chances of one coming up internally are slim. And yet they’re still better than the chances to Sox go out and pay for Juan Soto…
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No one does, but that’s not the point…
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They do, but his samples are so small they also don’t attach percentile rankings. If you’ve ever watched a broadcast that includes StatCast, one weird thing you might notice is they attach exit velocity and launch angles to foul balls. While I think this is just how the software works, I don’t know if this data is ever included in the player’s profile…
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But you’re already getting more optimistic. Six months ago, if you described the 2022 and 2023 teams as “around .500” - a 100% accurate description- someone would have chimed in immediately correcting you that they were a last place team, and should not be referred to any other way…
