This is the literal dictionary definition of a Strawman argument. In fact, it goes so far as to actually say the new pitcher acquired for Duran would need Strawmy John…
I am not so sure folks want him gone like they do Yoshida.
The feeling most likely is “this might be as good as he gets” and he definitely won’t be getting cheaper. So why not capitalize?
I looked it up on BTV.
Helsley has a surplus value of 15.6
Jordan is 2.0. ERC is 3.2. Perales is 5.7.
It’s not ridiculous on their model. But with Perales having TJ, I think that’s a problem.
However if the Sox send Franklin Arias (10.5) instead, it works out much better on the BTV model and becomes a more tempting offer.
Of course I never looked at Helsley’s money and years, which might be off-putting…
Red Sox have 6 overall on the MLB.com Top 100 list, with Anthony (3), Mayer (7), Campbell (10), Teel (25), Montgomery (54) and Arias (95).
The Cubs have the most listed prospects, with 8.
The least is 1, by the Yankees, Blue Jays and Astros.
But my point is you said you don’t get better by trading your best player. San Diego did exactly that.
To me, Duran falls into the universal “in the right deal” category. ..
Hunter Brown isn’t getting traded. The Astros still own the AL West and very likely expect to compete and win another pennant next year. Their alleged pitching depth is already depleted, since both Cristian Javier and Luis Garcia required TJ last season and are both likely out until August at the earliest. Plus they have Lance McCullers, who can materialize on the IL if you say his name 3 times in a row. And Framber Valdez, who has one year before free agency, which probably makes him more available than Brown.
Fans in Houston might be claiming the dynasty is over. Doubtful the Astros themselves feel that way…
Most likely both. They’ll pay half AND get a low-ranked inconsequential prospect. If their good about it, they might get some Greg Weissert type fringe reliever who has his moments…
You do realize these are arguments FOR trading Duran? Right?
If one year of Soto rebuilt the Padres rotation, what does 4 years of Duran offer?
There are advantages to trying to move Duran over Soto. With Soto, the one year limited you to teams ready to compete now. And the $25mill contract limited you to teams with big budgets. Duran is in everyone’s price range…
Yes, there was a time when an 8 year $160 mill contract got you Manny Ramirez. Nowadays, it gets you Brandon Nimmo.
I’d be surprised if the Sox signed any SP beyond maybe some MiLB depth deals. Maybe some relievers and acquire a SP via trade. Most likely Abreu, but i wouldn’t eliminate the possibility of Duran…
You have a higher threshold for expensive than me, and probably most MLB owners, many of whom shed players making $5mill or less as cost-cutting moves…